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Can Salvation be lost?

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Carl Emerson said:
No I am not saying that...

Tasting, knowing and being indwelled are quite different.

Some come to church and become 'christianised' without being born again and indwelled.
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So you are saying they were never saved.
If that is the case, then how can they be once enlightened and be partakers of the Holy Spirit?
 
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Bible Highlighter said:
So you are saying they were never saved.
If that is the case, then how can they be once enlightened and be partakers of the Holy Spirit?
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Understanding who Jesus is does not make you born again.

Enjoying the presence of God among believers does not make you born again.
 
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More people hang themselves on the one verse in Hebrews 6, when further down in the same portion of text, it states, but I know you are not like this.

I'm with Carl on this one. Many folks sit in pews each and every week, they partake of the goings on there that are of the Holy Spirit, but themselves were never saved. In due time they may indeed walk away. Meanwhile if the rapture came, how many would be left sitting in those pews that day, fully convinced they were Christian but clearly not, as the Christians are gone. Lets say they were christianesque. They knew of it all, well taught, but received not the fruit of the Spirit.
 
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Carl Emerson said:
Understanding who Jesus is does not make you born again.

Enjoying the presence of God among believers does not make you born again.
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That's splitting hairs. The straight forward reading of the passage does not suggest they were not saved. Surely if that was the case, then we would get some kind of indication that this was so. But you have to insert that into the text when it is not there. You have to create this hidden narrative that does not really jive with a normal reading. You are not enlightened and not a partaker of the Holy Spirit if other people have the Spirit and you don't. That does not make any sense.
 
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Carl Emerson said:
This passage refers to Tares in the Church, not true believers.
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You are reading that verse correctly, those where believers at one time and taste the good word of God, but fell away from the truth. Let's read it gain with better understanding....Paul says in (Heb. 6:4-6) (v.4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, (v.5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, (v.6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

So you can be enlightened, be partakers of the Holy Ghost, taste the good word of God and still it’s possible for you to fall away. Just as you choose to serve God of you own free will you can by that same free will decide to stop serving God. You are what is called a free agent, the choice is yours. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord.
 
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Paul said in (1 Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means.
 
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