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Humans breath with lungs. They are not fish. (Except cladisticly.)
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Who said anything about lungs. It is how babies in the womb breathe, like fish breathe through gills. Big deal it changes nothing. Their air supply, so to speak. Big deal.
petty, petty.
Man's life is in the blood. Life for life =blood for blood, Oxygen is carried to our bodies by the bloodAs you can tell, the answer to the thread title question is clearly "no".
I'm not sure how we got on this tangent, but I suspect it is related to the Jewish notion of a "breath of life" entering a newborn.
Man's life is in the blood. Life for life =blood for blood, Oxygen is carried to our bodies by the blood
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.
6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
Able's blood cried to God
Ge 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground. {blood: Heb. bloods }
Ge 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;
Christ's blood, better
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Well, the nostrils, are not what carry the oxygen throughout your body, nor do the lungs carry oxygen throughout your body. None of your organs do that. It is your blood which fills all your flesh with the oxygen it needs to live. Petty, petty.These verses fail to mention oxygen (or even breathing). They are not medically relevant.
Well, the nostrils, are not what carry the oxygen throughout your body, nor do the lungs carry oxygen throughout your body. None of your organs do that. It is your blood which fills all your flesh with the oxygen it needs to live. Petty, petty.
???? You and I know it does. The modern medical details do not really matter for the ancients at all. And it was taken seriously as life. Do you think the Hebrews understood this scripture as if it were a natural (human to human) biological exchange?Would you care to show that any biblical writer knew that blood carried dissolved oxygen to body tissues? If you can't then mentions of blood in the bible are irrelevant to the understanding of respiration.
I understand that. This is a christian forum and Christians are here.....so I will include them.Of course it is a possible consequence. No one with any knowledge of the debate contests that. The single point I am arguing and what everyone keeps trying to move away from is the idea that consequence is not the same as consent. That something is a possible outcome does not mean people are consenting to the outcome and are locked into that consent.
I do not care what the bible has to say on the subject. I am not a believer and not bound to follow its precepts.
Ah gotcha. Comments for your fellow Christians. No worries there.I understand that. This is a christian forum and Christians are here.....so I will include them.
Some have even spoken about the soul, having one yet etc. Also others speak of the breath of life, in making man a living soul. etc. Which is getting into non biological elements of scripture. So it is somewhat unavoidable at points.Ah gotcha. Comments for your fellow Christians. No worries there.
Totally expected when dealing in these areas. I certainly would expect Christians to vote and expound upon their beliefs. I just find some of them expect it to influence me in debate so I try to be certain to let them know it is not something that factors into my thinking.Some have even spoken about the soul, having one yet etc. Also others speak of the breath of life, in making man a living soul. etc. Which is getting into non biological elements of scripture. So it is somewhat unavoidable at points.
Correct, that is the choice some women make.Yeah, they just need her for everything else and that is the responsibility people are truly avoiding by getting an abortion.
I understand that. The issue is, Christians here using the same ideology and terms. As I said the bible speaks of accidental things clearly. It just makes it unavoidable because of the mixing of ideas.Totally expected when dealing in these areas. I certainly would expect Christians to vote and expound upon their beliefs. I just find some of them expect it to influence me in debate so I try to be certain to let them know it is not something that factors into my thinking.
Lose all you blood and you die. Yes, people knew that. But, they didn't know why or that it was tied to breathing. (Galen may have figured that out, but that is just after the time of Jesus.)???? You and I know it does. The modern medical details do not really matter for the ancients at all. And it was taken seriously as life. Do you think the Hebrews understood this scripture as if it were a natural (human to human) biological exchange?
Don't care what your scripture says.Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. This is not the account of biological function on the part of God, nor Adam. It was about the soul of a man
You asked???Lose all you blood and you die. Yes, people knew that. But, they didn't know why or that it was tied to breathing. (Galen may have figured that out, but that is just after the time of Jesus.)
Don't care what your scripture says.
You asked???
As I said, I want YOUR answer.Why would I say anything different? I agree with biology. If you know what biology says then you have my answer.
Adam was not made alive like all our children. He was formed from dirt, he had no mother and no father and no umbilical cord. He was unique.When he received the breath of life he was made alive like all of our children. Are you saying our children do not require the breath of life?
How many lives to you claim that it is? If one, then you're admitting that life begins after conception. If two, then you're arguing an impossibility.
Grant to their own bodies. The Zygote is half the mother and half the father, it isn't an alien entity.Grant it to whom? We've already established that the unborn doesn't yet exist. Permission is something you grant to a person who actually exists.
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