Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?

[NxNW]

So God doesn't see the unborn as "alive" in your opinion? What about when he forms us in the womb?

If we're formed in the womb, that means we're formed after conception, which takes place in the fallopian tube. Are you sure you want to debate biology?

 

[YahuahSaves]

It indicates a fully developed life

No, I don't think it's okay. I am not a woman so it will never be my decision. It's up to women to decide if society will accept lawful abortions or back alley abortions. As a man, it's out of my hands.

So what do you think Jesus was talking about when he said fully developed, breathing human beings, were dead?

 

[rturner76]

So what do you think Jesus was talking about when he said fully developed, breathing human beings, were dead?

I don't understand the question sorry, I just know that Adam was not made alive until he had the breath of life blown into his nostrils.

 

[YahuahSaves]

A single zygote is not two twins. Are you claiming otherwise?

I've linked the science when it comes to twinning. You're still not linking your own evidence that a single zygote is not human if it splits before twinning. Because there is no evidence and your bias is not based on fact.

 

[rturner76]

"Life is a characteristic of a living organism that distinguishes the latter from a dead organism or a non-living thing, as specifically distinguished by the capacity to grow, metabolize, respond to stimuli, adapt, and reproduce." Dictionary

Breathing air is not part of any biological definition of life, no.

It might also interest you that the "breath of life" has nothing to do with lungs or air. I suppose you've never read the Bible in a language other than English. The word that's translated into English as "breath of life" (Ruach) is the same word that is used for the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh). You probably don't think that the Holy Spirit has lungs or breathes as you do.

Living but developed enough to live on it's own? You need the breath of life for that.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I don't understand the question sorry, I just know that Adam was not made alive until he had the breath of life blown into his nostrils.

Yes, because Adam was created a fully-grown man, and God created Adam and Eve to be able to produce more of their own "kind". (by the foundation of DNA.)
The question relates to your idea that human life begins after birth, so the unborn are not "alive" in your opinion.
So, what was Jesus talking about when he said to grown (breathing) human beings they were dead?

 

[NxNW]

I've linked the science when it comes to twinning. You're still not linking your own evidence that a single zygote is not human if it splits before twinning.

You claimed humans are distinct, which means they are countable. If both identical twins existed at conception, you could count them both. But when you count a single cell, you have to stop at one. I don't need references to point out the contradictions in your argument.

One does not equal two.

 

[rturner76]

Yes, because Adam was created a fully-grown man, and God created Adam and Eve to be able to produce more of their own "kind". (by the foundation of DNA.)
The question relates to your idea that human life begins after birth, so the unborn are not "alive" in your opinion.
So, what was Jesus talking about when he said to grown (breathing) human beings they were dead?

When he received the breath of life he was made alive like all of our children. Are you saying our children do not require the breath of life?

 

[YahuahSaves]

You claimed humans are distinct, which means they are countable. If both identical twins existed at conception, you could count them both. But when you count a single cell, you have to stop at one. I don't need references to point out the contradictions in your argument.

One does not equal two.

You have no idea how DNA works either, obviously. Your argument is circular because you can't disprove the facts. Just admit it's your preference to deny the unborn are human beings. (Emotional bias).

 

[YahuahSaves]

When he received the breath of life he was made alive like all of our children. Are you saying our children do not require the breath of life?

Answer my question first, and then I'll answer yours.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

You claimed humans are distinct, which means they are countable. If both identical twins existed at conception, you could count them both. But when you count a single cell, you have to stop at one. I don't need references to point out the contradictions in your argument.

One does not equal two.

There is no contradiction, it's simply biology. Take an amoeba, it's a complete organism, a life (an amoeba life, not a human life). The amoeba can split into 2 amoebae. That's how amoebae reproduce (asexual).
If you were correct then the amoeba would not exist.. until after splitting into 2 amoebae. That's absurd. There was an amoeba life before splitting, just like there is a human life before splitting.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

You need the breath of life for that.

Did you even read what I wrote? The "breath of life" is demonstrably not related to actual breathing.

 

[rturner76]

Answer my question first, and then I'll answer yours.

I think I did but I could be wrong. There has been a lot of back and forth and I'm not sure I've answered all of your respobses.

 

[rturner76]

Did you even read what I wrote? The "breath of life" is demonstrably not related to actual breathing.

So it refers to sleeping or what? Can you live without breathing? Some newborns don't end up getting the opportunity. It's not a given that every life in gestation will live.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

So it refers to sleeping or what? Can you live without breathing? Some newborns don't end up getting the opportunity. It's not a given that every life in gestation will live.

As I explained to you, the Hebrew word for "breath of life" is the same word that is used for the Holy Spirit. Is the Holy Spirit sleeping or why do you suggest that it could refer to sleeping?

Without the "breath of life" you are dead in the most literal, biological sense. Which means with the "breath of life" you are alive in the most literal, biological sense. You therefore have the "breath of life" since you were a zygote. A human has the "breath of life" from the point of conception until they die, whether they die as a fetus, as a teen or as an old, grown man. "Breath of life" simply refers to "what makes you be alive", and a zygote is most definitely alive.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I think I did but I could be wrong. There has been a lot of back and forth and I'm not sure I've answered all of your respobses.

You didn't. Here it is again:

The question relates to your idea that human life begins after birth, so the unborn are not "alive" in your opinion.
So, what was Jesus talking about when he said to grown (breathing) human beings they were dead?

 

[Kylie]

As I explained to you, the Hebrew word for "breath of life" is the same word that is used for the Holy Spirit. Is the Holy Spirit sleeping or why do you suggest that it could refer to sleeping?

Without the "breath of life" you are dead in the most literal, biological sense. Which means with the "breath of life" you are alive in the most literal, biological sense. You therefore have the "breath of life" since you were a zygote. A human has the "breath of life" from the point of conception until they die, whether they die as a fetus, as a teen or as an old, grown man. "Breath of life" simply refers to "what makes you be alive", and a zygote is most definitely alive.

By this logic, a sperm has the "breath of life" as well. So does an ovum.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

By this logic, a sperm has the "breath of life" as well. So does an ovum.

Neither a sperm nor an ovum are an organism, so they are not a life. It's astonishing how few people here know basic biology.

 

[YahuahSaves]

If we're formed in the womb, that means we're formed after conception, which takes place in the fallopian tube. Are you sure you want to debate biology?

Perhaps click the link in this paragraph "detailed scientific analysis" it will give you some insight. There is no debate.

"From the moment of sperm-egg fusion," concludes embryologist Maureen L. Condic, a professor at the University of Utah School of Medicine, in a detailed scientific analysis, "a human zygote acts as a complete whole, with all the parts of the zygote interacting in an orchestrated fashion to generate the structures and relationships required for the zygote to continue developing towards its mature state."

From: The unborn is a human being: What science tells us about unborn children

 

[GodLovesCats]

If that were true you would be linking the evidence from the science of embryology. But you don't, because you'd rather make something up to suit your emotional bias.

I am stil waiting for people to prove biology and mathematics are wrong.