Can or is freemasonry Christian?

Lik3 · Mar 26, 2016

I know that Jesus does save. That is obvious, but are Freemasons saved? Do they need to repent if one is part of the Freemasons? I only know very little about them and what I have known and read was not of God. Maybe I need to read about them again. My father was a preacher and a freemason. My mother told me that my father didn't tell her about how a person became a freemason. It was more of a secret society I guess. He was also a Christian, but was He was true believer?

I know that he is no longer with us, but now I wonder where he will end up in the future. I don't believe in Purgatory or that one can pray for the dead for it would be too late if a person is dead. It scares and saddens me that someone who has lived for a time on this planet can not enter in Heaven. I realize that we will all be judged either in the Great White Throne or the Judgment Seat. He wasn't a big fan of my listening to secular music, or at least some of it. I miss my father, and now I worry about where he is as far as his eternal destiny. Is this normal for me to feel this way? I realize that I need to be concerned about myself and I agree. Is it true that freemasonry has non-Christian undertones? How do I deal with the fact that that person was being deceived if freemasonry is non-Christian? Maybe he was no longer a freemason. Before he passed, I now wished if I could have asked these questions.

Goodbook · Mar 27, 2016

Freemasonry isnt christian and yes if someone is they need to repent of it.

Well, as far as I know none of my grandparents who have now passed on were christians and the bible is clear where unbelievers are destined to go. They werent freemasons though.

I think if you worried about his soul you need to take it up with God who can explain to you and comfort you. If freemasonry was in your family you need to say some prayers because freemasons say oaths and pass down curses to their descendants. But as far as I know people enter freemasonry of their own free will even though they are deceived about it, if they become christians and read the bible they will see it is false.

Some people can think they are christians but not actually be born again and dont take the time to study scripture and what Gods word says about things. This is dangerous, esp in some churches like presybeterians who only preach some parts of the bible and not others. I say presybeterians because lots of freemasons are scottish and its prevalent there. There is a masonic lodge in my town and its just opposite a presy church.

Goodbook · Mar 27, 2016

Please read this and say the prayers.
Sometimes when our walk has been difficult its because our parents, who were not christians did not bless us and actually cursed us instead. They may have done it unwittingly, but still those curses affect us, if not broken by the blood of Jesus which we need to apply to our lives.

http://jubileeresources.org/?page_id=650

Albion · Mar 27, 2016

Freemasonry is not a religion, so in that sense it's not Christian--just as we wouldn't say that the Rotary is Christian. It's also not non-Christian. It's a fraternity. However, most members are Christians and many ordained ministers are also members.

Lik3 · Mar 27, 2016

Oh, okay. Thank you.

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Zoness · Mar 29, 2016

Lik3 said:
I know that Jesus does save. That is obvious, but are Freemasons saved? Do they need to repent if one is part of the Freemasons? I only know very little about them and what I have known and read was not of God. Maybe I need to read about them again. My father was a preacher and a freemason. My mother told me that my father didn't tell her about how a person became a freemason. It was more of a secret society I guess. He was also a Christian, but was He was true believer?

I know that he is no longer with us, but now I wonder where he will end up in the future. I don't believe in Purgatory or that one can pray for the dead for it would be too late if a person is dead. It scares and saddens me that someone who has lived for a time on this planet can not enter in Heaven. I realize that we will all be judged either in the Great White Throne or the Judgment Seat. He wasn't a big fan of my listening to secular music, or at least some of it. I miss my father, and now I worry about where he is as far as his eternal destiny. Is this normal for me to feel this way? I realize that I need to be concerned about myself and I agree. Is it true that freemasonry has non-Christian undertones? How do I deal with the fact that that person was being deceived if freemasonry is non-Christian? Maybe he was no longer a freemason. Before he passed, I now wished if I could have asked these questions.

By your own description he sounded like a pretty hardcore Christian, I suspect by most Christian standards he was just as saved as any other Christian. While Christians tend to be pretty hostile to secret societies I've never really understood why besides the fact that they're well, secret. But so is my fraternity. I can't speak to Freemasonry's "undertones" as I am not a member but I imagine it is like most other secret societies, ascribing some meaning to the "divine" but leaving belief to the individual.

As a side note, I think your concerns are valid yet they're why I have such a hard time with Christianity. If your father was a professing Christian and a generally good person then I can't foresee a fair deity saying "well you joined some organization that your Earthly church leaders don't know a lot about so you're going to hell". It simply doesn't make sense to me, or is not a version of Christianity I would want to be a part of anyways.

timewerx · Mar 29, 2016

Lik3 said:
I know that he is no longer with us, but now I wonder where he will end up in the future. I don't believe in Purgatory or that one can pray for the dead for it would be too late if a person is dead. It scares and saddens me that someone who has lived for a time on this planet can not enter in Heaven. I realize that we will all be judged either in the Great White Throne or the Judgment Seat. He wasn't a big fan of my listening to secular music, or at least some of it. I miss my father, and now I worry about where he is as far as his eternal destiny. Is this normal for me to feel this way? I realize that I need to be concerned about myself and I agree. Is it true that freemasonry has non-Christian undertones? How do I deal with the fact that that person was being deceived if freemasonry is non-Christian? Maybe he was no longer a freemason. Before he passed, I now wished if I could have asked these questions.

It is difficult to answer this but the answer tends to be subjective.

Freemasonry borrows many concepts from the Bible and the rituals and other things I could not decipher but otherwise have all the hallmarks of religion.

However, proponents of Freemasonry would often just plainly say it is not a religion.

And that is actually the biggest problem of Freemasonry. Members are being set to live a lie. You can see it has many things a religion has - faith or belief in a god is a major one. And yet, you believe the contrary, it is not a religion. A lie that becomes a normal part of a Freemason. Lies like that essentially binds ones soul.

Still, I cannot judge your Dad. I could not say with certainty, being a Freemason automatically condemn one's soul. I'm not saying these things to make you feel better, I simply don't know that part.

Albion · Mar 29, 2016

timewerx said:
It is difficult to answer this but the answer tends to be subjective.

Freemasonry borrows many concepts from the Bible and the rituals and other things I could not decipher but otherwise have all the hallmarks of religion.

However, proponents of Freemasonry would often just plainly say it is not a religion.

And that is actually the biggest problem of Freemasonry. Members are being set to live a lie. You can see it has many things a religion has - faith or belief in a god is a major one.

Not really. It's an organization that's only open to monotheists, but there's no requirement that a member believe in any particular god.

Still, I cannot judge your Dad.

I think you just did.

I could not say with certainty, being a Freemason automatically condemn one's soul. I'm not saying these things to make you feel better, I simply don't know that part.

just like the earlier parts.

timewerx · Mar 30, 2016

Albion said:
Not really. It's an organization that's only open to monotheists, but there's no requirement that a member believe in any particular god.

You simply rephrased what I said. Yes there's no requirement of a belief in any particular god, but members are required to believe in one god, regardless of who that god is. This means Atheists cannot be Freemasons.

I think you just did.

Perhaps, but I cannot say with certainty that living a lie condemns one to judgement. The vast majority of people are living a lie anyway even if they're not Freemasons.

We simply happen to be discussing about Freemasonry in this instance. But Freemasonry is just one of the many many many distractions in this world from the Truth. It could also be money, hobbies, marriage, family, certain things we believe, things we possess, our own very lives, even religion itself.

Albion · Mar 30, 2016

timewerx said:
You simply rephrased what I said. Yes there's no requirement of a belief in any particular god, but members are required to believe in one god, regardless of who that god is. This means Atheists cannot be Freemasons.

Very well. I thought I was making it clearer or more specific, lest the idea be given that there's such a thing as a Masonic god or that Masonry is a religion. It's merely a fraternity of men who already are religious.

Perhaps, but I cannot say with certainty that living a lie condemns one to judgement.

And you also cannot say that anyone is living a lie merely because they are Masons (or Optimists or Boy Scout leaders or Health Club members??).

The vast majority of people are living a lie anyway even if they're not Freemasons.

Perhaps, but you weren't talking about those other cases.

We simply happen to be discussing about Freemasonry in this instance. But Freemasonry is just one of the many many many distractions in this world from the Truth. It could also be money, hobbies, marriage, family, certain things we believe, things we possess, our own very lives, even religion itself.

I see. So would it be correct to say that you are one of those people who considers ANY activity--hobby, recreation, etc.--to be wrong (or a lie?) since they could otherwise be evangelizing or some other religious undertaking? I have heard that objection to Freemasonry from others, but I don't see them devoting 100% of their time to church work.

timewerx · Mar 30, 2016

Albion said:
I have heard that objection to Freemasonry from others, but I don't see them devoting 100% of their time to church work.

My point exactly, but unfortunately, even church work can be a distraction.

We have a lot of distractions in our world today. They are designed to cater to as much people as possible so that no one is left with a clear sight.

Certain types of people are drawn to religion, certain types of people are drawn to religious extremism, certain types drawn to activities (name them here), certain types to fraternities, certain types to church activities, certain types to proselyting, certain types to conspiracies, certain types to the occult, certain types to charity/philantrophy.

What this leaves us? Doing nothing is a good thing? Unfortunately, that's not the answer either.

Any form of lie is bad to the soul. The entire premise of the world is that it rests on the contrary. It is to keep one blind.

Albion · Mar 30, 2016

timewerx said:
My point exactly, but unfortunately, even church work can be a distraction.

We have a lot of distractions in our world today. They are designed to cater to as much people as possible so that no one is left with a clear sight.

Certain types of people are drawn to religion, certain types of people are drawn to religious extremism, certain types drawn to activities (name them here), certain types to fraternities, certain types to church activities, certain types to proselyting, certain types to conspiracies, certain types to the occult, certain types to charity/philantrophy.

What this leaves us? Doing nothing is a good thing? Unfortunately, that's not the answer either.

Any form of lie is bad to the soul. The entire premise of the world is that it rests on the contrary. It is to keep one blind.

Yeh, I agree with much of that, but the conclusion that there's some sort of "lie" involved in living a well-rounded life--especially when the hobbies involve doing community service, helping those in need, etc. --doesn't seem to me to add up.

timewerx · Mar 30, 2016

Albion said:
Yeh, I agree with much of that, but the conclusion that there's some sort of "lie" involved in living a well-rounded life--especially when the hobbies involve doing community service, helping those in need, etc. --doesn't seem to me to add up.

Because even such things could side track one from the Truth or seeking the Truth. Although Christ helped a lot of the poor, it wasn't the central theme of the Gospel.

The answer is found in reading about Mary Magdalene in the Bible.

How did Mary received the greatest commendation from Christ? Because Mary was closer to the Truth than any of the 12.

What's the problem with the other 12? Because they were men......Men in those times have far greater distractions than women having more freedoms, authority, and responsibility than women, in addition, they have to carry the "burden" of religion. Men faced far more distractions than women in the times of Jesus.

Mary Magdalene was single woman and not the eldest. She had the greatest opportunity to see the Truth and unbelievably, she took that opportunity!

How hard was it to find the Truth? Out of Christ's 13 disciples, only 1 figured it out - Mary. Out of the 13 disciples, possibly hundreds or even thousands of Jews tried to follow Christ (read John 6, the whole chapter). We only have one out of a huge crowd figuring it out. Christ never made the Truth sound so easy to find. Likened it to a buried treasure.

So where was this most commended disciple post-resurrection? The Bible makes no further mention of her... The world has no love for the Truth, nor its beholders. Its ways are nothing but lies.

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