Can one be a Democrat and a Christian?

[jonny_darko]

I can't even begin to express how deep our disagreement is, Marissa.
If you're interested, you can read my other posts and see what I have already said on several issues you have raised here.

 

[Bonhoffer]

Surely one can support homosexual rights and still be hard-core Christian?

One of the central tenets of Christianity is 'free will'. I totally beleive that homosexual practice is wrong, however I support the 'God-given' right for homosexuals to exercise their 'free will'.
It is after all they who will be punished for it. (unless they are saved by grace)

For this very reason I beleive in the right of Muslims, pagans and athiests to practice their beleifs. Its their problem if they reject Christ and go to hell!!

 

[vanshan]

Surely one can support homosexual rights and still be hard-core Christian?

One of the central tenets of Christianity is 'free will' . . .

Bonhoffer,

Let's just call them "free will rights", rather than categorizing them as homosexual rights. What particular bedroom behavior a person engages in hardly gives them classification as a minority or a class of citizens needing special protections under the law. Civil rights and freedoms are for all citizens. So, we simply need to insure all people are given these rights. Of course, marriage or civil unions should be out of the question.

 

[ufonium2]

Let me put it this way. I am a Civil Engineer, I will be make plenty more money than the guys out doing the construction. Is this because I am hard working? I have to admit, it is not. I will be making much more money and live a much easier life than them because I was blessed with an intellect. I've almost never studied and I've hardly ever done homework, heck, I've missed classes whenever I've had half a reason. But lucky me, I've always tested well, and math and physics come naturally to me. So tell me, why should a lazy fool like me be living the good life, while some guy who works his hands to the bone and comes home stinking to high heaven every day has to fight to keep health benifits and save up enough money to send their kids to college?

It's not because you are hard working, it's because you are educated. For at least four years, you were in college making no money, and probably going into debt, while your friend that got the construction job straight out of high school was making money and getting on with his life. Higher ed. is about delayed gratification. If you take away the gratification, folks aren't going to put up with the delay.

Furthermore, why is money all that matters to socialists? Take my brother and I, for instance. I'm not great with money. It's not terribly important to me, which is good because I don't have much. Money is important to him, so he has more money than me, but I have more friends than him. If we become socialist and the government gives me half of his money, why don't they give him half of my friends? If you only worry about making finances equal, you've actually made people's lives less equal than they were before.

The same is true for you and the construction worker. They might give him the same amount of money as you have, but they can't give you the same amount of time that he has had. They can't make your life four years longer to compensate for your education, nor can they make your day longer to compensate for the fact that you sometimes have to think about your job when you aren't at the office.

In our present system, society can't give you more time or take away the extra stress inherent to your job, so they give you more money to make up for it. Under socialism, society can't give you more time or take away the extra stress inherent to your job, so sucks for you. Equalizing one factor does not make society equal, it makes society collapse.

 

[TheScottsMen]

Can one be a republican and Christian? can one be a Democrat and Christian? Can one choose the lesser of two evils and be a Christian? If I vote for a Democrat and his party supports abortion, am I guilty of that sin by association? If I vote for a Republican and a kid dies because his parents can't afford insurance, insurance he would have had if the country had a national healthcare system, am I guilty because of association? Give me a break! Christ didn't die so I could choose the lesser of two evils, he died so I could choose the good.

 

[Merseymike]

If you believe that conservative values are synonymous with Christianity, then no doubt you believe that all Christians should vote for right wing parties.

Personally, if that was the only Christianity available, then I would prefer to be an atheist.

Thankfully, it isn't

Liberal in both politics and religion!