Can God self Terminate?

[Radrook]

Okay Radrock

My response to you regarding GOD's TRUTH being an absolute TRUTH which applies to all men is because you responded that HIS laying down the LIFE and taking it up again is really not death

And that is the whole point
Death could not have a hold on HIM.

HIS laying down the flesh which was true HOLY and perfect flesh was for us that HIS sacrifice should remain a perpetual offering before the presence of GOD until the full number of all who will come to HIM at THE CROSS has been accomplished

Each person will come to THE FATHER through HIS COVERING


If they don't have HIS COVERING they can not come to THE FATHER

Jesus' death would have been invalid if it had not been a real death. His death needed to be real in all aspects of the word in order for it to cover our sins because a payment for our sins demanded the penalty of a genuine death.

Ezekiel 18:4
"Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

In short, the Son of God suffered temporary termination. His state of death lasted three days. Then he, the Last Adam, regained consciousness and entered the realm of the living once more albeit as a spirit.

1 Cor 15:
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.…

 

[Hishandmaiden]

So my answer is.... He might have the ability to, but it wouldn't and couldn't ever happen without Him profaning His name. And seeing His name is ETERNAL, He already knows it will never be profaned.

Amen.

 

[miknik5]

Jesus' death would have been invalid if it had not been a real death. His death needed to be real in all aspects of the word in order for it to cover our sins because a payment for our sins demanded the penalty of a genuine death.

Ezekiel 18:4
"Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

In short, the Son of God suffered temporary termination. His state of death lasted three days. Then he, the Last Adam, regained consciousness and entered the realm of the living once more albeit as a spirit.

1 Cor 15:
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.…

I agree
So what have you concluded with regards to JESUS before the presence of THE FATHER?
And why does HE, who laid down the flesh, retain the wounds in HIS glorified body?

 

[miknik5]

Flesh by the way, came first for man...Not Spirit

Adam was flesh and then GOD breathed into Adam...life and he (Adam) became a living soul

CHRIST was SPIRIT first and then THE WORD became flesh and then through HIM who laid down the flesh, HE breathes into those who believe in HIM, HIS LIFE-giving SPIRIT

Which is why one must be born and baptized again of HIS SPIRIT in order to have....LIFE

 

[miknik5]

if GOD says to man they need a NEW SPIRIT...then man needs a NEW SPIRIT

 

[toLiJC]

You keep referring to eternity as a cycle? Where do you derive this concept from?

there is a lot of testimony about it in the Bible, albeit (appearing to be) fragmentary, not as the very well organized information in the perfect textbooks

Blessings

 

[miknik5]

there is a lot of testimony about it in the Bible, albeit (appearing to be) fragmentary, not as the very well organized information in the perfect textbooks

Blessings

Please supply at least one scripture which talks about anything outside of GOD being eternal

Even the earth and the heavens will pass

And Romans 8 actually states that all creation was made subject to decay

There may be a cycle but according to GOD's WORD it is not forever

And those who hope in HIM do not have their hopes in this and the things of this world

 

[toLiJC]

Please supply at least one scripture which talks about anything outside of GOD being eternal

Even the earth and the heavens will pass

And Romans 8 actually states that all creation was made subject to decay

There may be a cycle but according to GOD's WORD it is not forever

And those who hope in HIM do not have their hopes in this and the things of this world

yes, the universal creation (including the "heaven") is subject to disintegration, and this is one of the testimonies that intimate there will be an end and then a next beginning of (the) eternity, because it is a circle of existence and positions of the souls due to the fact that the life of God also has a span/cycle, here is another scripture:

Revelation 21:6 "he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end."

this verse indicates that all things that happened, happen and will happen within this eternity already happened in countless previous eternities

Blessings

 

[miknik5]

yes, the universal creation (including the "heaven") is subject to disintegration, and this is one of the testimonies that intimate there will be an end and then a next beginning of (the) eternity, because it is a circle of existence and positions of the souls due to the fact that the life of God also has a span/cycle, here is another scripture:

Revelation 21:6 "he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end."

this verse indicates that all things that happened, happen and will happen within this eternity already happened in countless previous eternities

Blessings

HE is the beginning and the end just as HE is the resurrection and the life andcall men will have their beginning and end in HIM

..,or not


That also will be decided at the end of all these things


When all has been accomplished:

That is, when the full numbers in Christ are complete and He has put the last of His enemies under Him

 

[miknik5]

I (meaning CHRIST) make all things NEW

 

[miknik5]

All things will pass away HE will roll them up in His Garment but HE remains the same and His years never end

)Hebrews 1

 

[Sammy-San]

What is your argument? That there must be a first cause?
God is the first cause.
That the first cause MUST have another cause?
Not so.
By its very definition the First Cause needs no cause because the first cause is a necessary being.

What is your argument? That there must be a first cause?
God is the first cause.
That the first cause MUST have another cause?
Not so.
By its very definition the First Cause needs no cause because the first cause is a necessary being.

To me trying to comprehend this is even more difficult than understanding the concepts of time travel and eternal recurrence.

 

[Radrook]

I agree
So what have you concluded with regards to JESUS before the presence of THE FATHER?
And why does HE, who laid down the flesh, retain the wounds in HIS glorified body?

The manifestation of wounds was provided in order to convince the disciples that it was really he.
Please remember that spirit entities have the ability to materialize. There are many instances in the OT where angels did so and even partook of food and appeared to be men to all who saw them. Once the holy assignment was over, they dematerialized and returned once more to the spirit realm.

 

[miknik5]

To me trying to comprehend this is even more difficult than understanding the concepts of time travel and eternal recurrence.

Is it okay to offer other suggestions for GOD outside HIS WORD and TRUTH

 

[Radrook]

To me trying to comprehend this is even more difficult than understanding the concepts of time travel and eternal recurrence.

We all are time travelling. Were we not time travelling we would be stuck in the past eternally. The speed at which we are time travelling at present seems to be at the rate of 60 seconds per minute, 60minutes per hour and 24 hours per day. Slight discrepancies will occur depending on how fast we travel. If we approach the speed of light then we will experience time at a much slower rate than those who are not. A trip to Alpha Centauri might be viewed as having taken approx nine year round trip to the ones left on earth but to the crew it would have seemed a much shorter time. depending on how close to the speed of light they travelled and how long the velocity was sustained.

 

[Radrook]

Is it okay to offer other suggestions for GOD outside HIS WORD and TRUTH

I am not attempting to go beyond his Word and His Truth. I am seeking answers within their framework.

 

[miknik5]

The manifestation of wounds was provided in order to convince the disciples that it was really he.
Please remember that spirit entities have the ability to materialize. There are many instances in the OT where angels did so and even partook of food and appeared to be men to all who saw them. Once the holy assignment was over, they dematerialized and returned once more to the spirit realm.

Where is CHRIST Radrock?

Because HE is not literally a lamb looking as if slain though lives before the throne of GOD

And yet, there HE is and remains until all has been accomplished

 

[Radrook]

yes, the universal creation (including the "heaven") is subject to disintegration, and this is one of the testimonies that intimate there will be an end and then a next beginning of (the) eternity, because it is a circle of existence and positions of the souls due to the fact that the life of God also has a span/cycle, here is another scripture:

Revelation 21:6 "he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end."

this verse indicates that all things that happened, happen and will happen within this eternity already happened in countless previous eternities

Blessings

How do you derive eternal cycles from those scriptures?

 

[Radrook]

Where is CHRIST Radrock?

Because HE is not literally a lamb looking as if slain though lives before the throne of GOD

And yet, there HE is and remains until all has been accomplished

What are you inferring?
That I believe he is a literal lamb bearing wounds? That is ridiculous!
Why would you even ask a Christian such an absurdity?

 

[miknik5]

What are you inferring?
That I believe he is a literal lamb bearing wounds? That is ridiculous!
Why would you even ask a Christian such an absurdity?

I'm trying to understand how you are inferring that HE has somehow vanished and has become no more than just like the angels who can manifest them when they choose

None of these angels stand before the throne of GOD and actually block the entrance before the throne of GOD