Can God self Terminate?

Radrook · Nov 3, 2016

Superhero Sam said:
How does that refute my argument?

What is your argument? That there must be a first cause?
God is the first cause.
That the first cause MUST have another cause?
Not so.
By its very definition the First Cause needs no cause because the first cause is a necessary being.

Radrook · Nov 3, 2016

="Christian Harris, post: 70360137, member: 392267"]Before I begin, I know that this thread is already replete with personal opinions, and so I apologize for bringing one more into the mix.
That said, I believe that it is foolishness to ponder nebulous hypotheticals such as this for any length of time or with any seriousness. The reason I say this is largely due to the fact that we as Christians assume that the Lord is God over all things within the universe, and so all things in the universe (and their constancy) hinge upon Him. Therefore, asking a question such as this is akin to asking what life would be like if tomorrow we were all crimson giraffes who lived in the center of the moon, in that no real answer can be given because it is just so far outside the realm of possibility. In addition to this are the numerous occasions throughout scripture where God assures and promises us his constancy, further taking away from the need for such questions.[/QUOTE]

I am not assuming that God isn't over all things within the universe, and that
their constancy doesn't hinge upon him. Foolishness? In what way? Calling something foolishness demands provision of valid reasons for that evaluation and the reasons you provide are totally insufficient to place the discussion in such a category. Here are your flawed assumptions:

1. That everyone here shares the same religious views.
2. That the question itself is made moot by proof texting
3. That the question should not be delved into philosophically

Those three arguments are flawed.

First, there are persons here who are not theists and who will approach the subject from a metaphysical point of view.

Second, not everyone here considers the issue made moot via proof reading of text.

Third, there are persons here who are philosophically oriented and do wish to delve into the question from a metaphysical standpoint.

BTW
Actually, even from a religious viewpoint it isn't a nonsensical issue since every worshipper must never be afraid to ponder the nature or personality of the God he worships. If he doesn't, then worship becomes tantamount to blind faith based on blind trust or a morbid fear of a deity who will obliterate him if he as much as blinks.

So the concept of the needlessness of such questions is based on some very dubious assumptions which go completely contrary to realities related to this forum and to reality in general.

Radrook · Nov 3, 2016

Tree of Life said:
In answer to your question. No. God cannot self terminate. Nor can he die.

That goes contrary to the Trinitarian view that Jesus is God and that Jesus died.

Sammy-San · Nov 3, 2016

Radrook said:
What is your argument? That there must be a first cause?
God is the first cause.
That the first cause MUST have another cause?
Not so.
By its very definition the First Cause needs no cause because the first cause is a necessary being.

No, I am talking about the concept of an infinite past.

Tree of Life · Nov 3, 2016

Radrook said:
That goes contrary to the Trinitarian view that Jesus is God and that Jesus died.

Jesus' humanity died but his divinity did not.

miknik5 · Nov 3, 2016

Radrook said:
That is referring to religious Apostasy.

What is religious apostasy sir?

if HE no longer holds back, what is no longer held back will effect all.

For in truth GOD who by HIS GRACE upon all men (believer and unbeliever alike) is the ONE who held all things back so that we never were completely destroyed.

But when HE lets go, all the things that we took for granted that held...will no longer hold.

Those who will be destroyed are those who will attribute/blame/curse GOD for the evil that will run rampant in that day, when the "HEDGE" is removed.

miknik5 · Nov 3, 2016

Radrook said:
That goes contrary to the Trinitarian view that Jesus is God and that Jesus died.

THE SPIRIT did not die. HE laid down the flesh so as to take it up again. No man took it from HIM, HE willingly laid it down for the sheep.

Flesh may die...though GOD would not allow HIS HOLY ONE to see decay...

The same SPIRIT in CHRIST's body before HIS crucifixion is the same SPIRIT which entered back and reanimated HIS RISEN body...

juvenissun · Nov 3, 2016

Radrook said:
Is total self-termination or total self-obliteration within the parameters of God's abilities? Or do we conclude that no matter how he might feel concerning his own existence, He is incapable of such an act?

No way.
God can not do many many things.

Radrook · Nov 3, 2016

juvenissun said:
No way.
God can not do many many things.

Agreed! Thanks for the feedback.

Radrook · Nov 3, 2016

miknik5 said:
THE SPIRIT did not die. HE laid down the flesh so as to take it up again. No man took it from HIM, HE willingly laid it down for the sheep.

Flesh may die...though GOD would not allow HIS HOLY ONE to see decay...

The same SPIRIT in CHRIST's body before HIS crucifixion is the same SPIRIT which entered back and reanimated HIS RISEN body...

That isn't really death.
His flesh body did not see decay.
Some say it was consumed as all sacrifices under the Mosaic Law were consumed.
The Shroud of Turin seems to substantiate this because it seems like the product od a burst of energy imprinting the image on the cloth

juvenissun · Nov 3, 2016

Radrook said:
Agreed! Thanks for the feedback.

miknik5 · Nov 3, 2016

Radrook said:
That isn't really death.
His flesh body did not see decay.
Some say it was consumed as all sacrifices under the Mosaic Law were consumed.
The Shroud of Turin seems to substantiate this because it seems like the product od a burst of energy.

He walked in our humanity and suffered death so as to become for the children who are of flesh (who walk in their humanity and suffer and will suffer) the ONE and ONLY great source of our salvation

If you do not believe HE suffered and this was not an acceptable sacrifice it doesnt matter. THE FATHER did and the CUP (of suffering) could not pass because there was no other way

LoveofTruth · Nov 3, 2016

Radrook said:
Is total self-termination or total self-obliteration within the parameters of God's abilities? Or do we conclude that no matter how he might feel concerning his own existence, He is incapable of such an act?

God cannot deny himself or change as we know from scripture, so he cannot do this

I don't simply believe that he will not, but that he cannot.

there some things that God cannot do. I know some doctrines get in a huff to think that especially some reformed and calvinistic ideas that speak of God being able to do all things. But God cannot lie, and we know that satan is the father of lies. Its impossible for God to lie.

Some might ask Can go make a rock so big that he cannot lift it. Well speaking symbolically, God made mans heart and in unbelief their heart is a hard rock and God cannot lift it to heaven unless they repent and believe. So yes God can make a rock so big that he cannot lift it.

Radrook · Nov 3, 2016

miknik5 said:
He walked in our humanity and suffered death so as to become for the children who are of flesh (who walk in their humanity and suffer and will suffer) the ONE and ONLY great source of our salvation

If you do not believe HE suffered and this was not an acceptable sacrifice it doesnt matter. THE FATHER did and the CUP (of suffering) could not pass because there was no other way

I never claimed that the sacrifice was invalid or that there was another way. How did you reach those conclusions?

miknik5 · Nov 3, 2016

Radrook said:
I never claimed that the sacrifice was invalid or that there was another way. How did you reach those conclusions?

It is a TRUTH. And this TRUTH applies to all

Please show me where you addressed you personally

This may be your thread but it isn't a personal discussion at all

GOD's TRUTH must apply to all

miknik5 · Nov 3, 2016

Though the GIFT OF GOD was to whosoever. Each one of those "whosoever" must accept the GIFT OF GOD personally

Radrook · Nov 3, 2016

miknik5 said:
It is a TRUTH. And this TRUTH applies to all

Please show me where you addressed you personally

This may be your thread but it isn't a personal discussion at all

GOD's TRUTH must apply to all

You were replying to statements I made.

toLiJC · Nov 4, 2016

Radrook said:
Is total self-termination or total self-obliteration within the parameters of God's abilities? Or do we conclude that no matter how he might feel concerning his own existence, He is incapable of such an act?

the true One has never ever killed Himself in the hitherto elapsed time's infinity, though His self-sacrifice is greatest, but His life also has a span, to be more precise, a cycle, which is called "eternity" in the Bible

Blessings

miknik5 · Nov 4, 2016

miknik5 said:
He walked in our humanity and suffered death so as to become for the children who are of flesh (who walk in their humanity and suffer and will suffer) the ONE and ONLY great source of our salvation

If you do not believe HE suffered and this was not an acceptable sacrifice it doesnt matter. THE FATHER did and the CUP (of suffering) could not pass because there was no other way

Okay Radrock

My response to you regarding GOD's TRUTH being an absolute TRUTH which applies to all men is because you responded that HIS laying down the LIFE and taking it up again is really not death

And that is the whole point
Death could not have a hold on HIM.

HIS laying down the flesh which was true HOLY and perfect flesh was for us that HIS sacrifice should remain a perpetual offering before the presence of GOD until the full number of all who will come to HIM at THE CROSS has been accomplished

Each person will come to THE FATHER through HIS COVERING

If they don't have HIS COVERING they can not come to THE FATHER

Radrook · Nov 4, 2016

toLiJC said:
the true One has never ever killed Himself in the hitherto elapsed time's infinity, though His self-sacrifice is greatest, but His life also has a span, to be more precise, a cycle, which is called "eternity" in the Bible

Blessings

You keep referring to eternity as a cycle? Where do you derive this concept from?

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