Can God reverse time?

Sorn · Oct 26, 2019

Ricky M said:
God then goes back in 'our time' and erases Joe's name from the Book, making to be as if it were never there from the beginning.

That just seems unnecessarily complicated frankly, if God is watching Joe and sees him dis-believe then at that point (be it in our timeline or Gods timeline) He can just erase Joe's name. God can't fool himself so He can't pretend the name was never in the book, just that Joe met the condition (sadly), where his name gets erased. That's all that needs to occur.

I do like your analogy to a walk though, ie'...That's the difference between backsliding and apostasy. One is not walking the walk. The other is denying there IS a Walk.' That well explains the difference between backsliding and unbelief imo.

martymonster · Oct 26, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
Can God make it like something never happened (an accident, an abusive situation, a natural disaster, an illness, a death, etc.)?

Here is an off-the-wall example, would God ever choose to wipe the memory of a negative event from all those involved so as to heal them of all signs of the trauma (physical, mental, spiritual) and make it like that negative never occurred (even though it did)?

What do you think? I mean, technically God can do anything, but does He ever choose to reverse time or wipe out the memory of a negative event so He doesn't even need to reverse time?

Why would he do that, when he has orchestrated those things for a reason?

Woke · Oct 26, 2019

Carl Emerson said:
Are you saying that post #58 is a false claim?

I didn't say that. What I said is that in the New World we will feel total contentment, which no one in this world experiences all the time, because there are always harmful things here, and because we, as imperfect subjects of God's Kingdom, do not relate to harm as contently as we will then.

Revelation 21:1-5 states God removes all pain then, not now. Your experience that you shared in post #58 is circumstantial. Or if that's not your post the one you referred to. I take it you are not claiming to have absolutely no worries or pain about anything now, are you?

I agree that God personally speaking to you or the poster of #58 removed a lot of worry in that situation and future situations that were similar. That would be one of the reasons God would do that. Another reason would be God was communicating to the poster he was his child and that in the long run everything will be okay.

But remember God decides who to personally contact through speech. Though we might affect that we cannot control it. So I don't believe everyone can have a similar experience, since it's up to God who he talks to.

Neogaia777 · Oct 26, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
Can God make it like something never happened (an accident, an abusive situation, a natural disaster, an illness, a death, etc.)?

Here is an off-the-wall example, would God ever choose to wipe the memory of a negative event from all those involved so as to heal them of all signs of the trauma (physical, mental, spiritual) and make it like that negative never occurred (even though it did)?

What do you think? I mean, technically God can do anything, but does He ever choose to reverse time or wipe out the memory of a negative event so He doesn't even need to reverse time?

He will wipe some memories from our lives, if we do not need them, etc, and if we absolutely for sure want Him to, etc...

The question is, do we need some of our memories of bad or negative events or occurrences or happenings though...?

That's why I say, "If we do not need them", etc...

If it will not change who we are, or how we've grown into what we have become at that time, etc...

But if it is a vital part of that, I think He will just change or alter our "perspective" on it/them...

Show us the complete whole "tapestry", so to speak, etc... From which we have a completely whole "new understanding", etc...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Oct 26, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
He will wipe some memories from our lives, if we do not need them, etc, and if we absolutely for sure want Him to, etc...

The question is, do we need some of our memories of bad or negative events or occurrences or happenings though...?

That's why I say, "If we do not need them", etc...

If it will not change who we are, or how we've grown into what we have become at that time, etc...

But if it is a vital part of that, I think He will just change or alter our "perspective" on it/them...

Show us the complete whole "tapestry", so to speak, etc... From which we have a completely whole "new understanding", etc...

God Bless!

And about time, time will not exist in the normal way that it does here, but it will only be our perceptions of time that will exist and that will change at that time, etc, making time much different than it is now here currently, etc...

It is "timeless" in a way, and the closest word we have for it right now is the word "eternity" right now, etc...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Oct 26, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
And about time, time will not exist in the normal way that it does here, but it will only be our perceptions of time that will exist and that will change at that time, etc, making time much different than it is now here currently, etc...

It is "timeless" in a way, and the closest word we have for it right now is the word "eternity" right now, etc...

God Bless!

We will probably be able to go backwards in time and forwards in time, and go from one point or more points in time to others, from one moment to the next, etc, and the "flow" of time there is or will be very much more "different" than it is here, and a great, great deal of it (time) will be based only upon our own perceptions of time, which will be very much more different as well... we will probably not even call it "past" or "present" or "future" because that's not how we will see or perceive it (time) anymore, etc, and the flow of it will be very much more much, much different than it is "now", etc...

If that makes any kind of sense at all, etc...

And "thought" will be the vehicle by which we travel, both to other places, and other places in time, etc... And a great deal of that (those thoughts) will be based on our own perceptions of, well, pretty much everything then or at that "time", etc...

Another word for "perceptions" is our "examinations" of those things (time/space/reality, etc) at that, or during or at those times, etc... Or the way in which we weigh those things out, etc... Which will be very much more different, etc... Than it is or they are now, etc...

God Bless!

Woke · Oct 26, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
He will wipe some memories from our lives, if we do not need them, etc, and if we absolutely for sure want Him to, etc...

The question is, do we need some of our memories of bad or negative events or occurrences or happenings though...?

That's why I say, "If we do not need them", etc...

If it will not change who we are, or how we've grown into what we have become at that time, etc...

But if it is a vital part of that, I think He will just change or alter our "perspective" on it/them...

Show us the complete whole "tapestry", so to speak, etc... From which we have a completely whole "new understanding", etc...

God Bless!

Since God doesn't have to prove anything to anyone because he is God, then he must be letting us go through everything here to teach us. Remember the scripture that claims he uses all our experiences for our ultimate or eternal good.

We are experiencing the type of painful experiences Adam and Eve or the demons never experienced, while they were friends of God. Once we get through this God will remove all pain attached to the memories of those things, but what a lesson we will have learned from what we experience now.

Then we will remember the most hurtful situations we were in, only as experiences, no pain will come to mind. But even the bad ones will have taught us what we will not want repeated. Who in a perfect world would want to return to this?

Neogaia777 · Oct 26, 2019

Woke said:
Since God doesn't have to prove anything to anyone because he is God, then he must be letting us go through everything here to teach us. Remember the scripture that claims he uses all our experiences for our ultimate or eternal good.

We are experiencing the type of painful experiences Adam and Eve or the demons never experienced, while they were friends of God. Once we get through this God will remove all pain attached to the memories of those things, but what a lesson we will have learned from what we experience now.

Then we will remember the most hurtful situations we were in, only as experiences, no pain will come to mind. But even the bad ones will have taught us what we will not want repeated. Who in a perfect world would want to return to this?

Yes, He may not remove all of our memories, but He will remove all pain from them, maybe by showing us a whole new "picture" or whatever, and we will have no desire at all to repeat any kind of evil as well, at least, that's what I believe, etc, and think I know from the Bible as well, etc...

I also believe a lot of "this", "now" is solely for personality and character development alone right now, etc... And for that reason it is important, but was also necessary to include some bad right now, etc...

That we don't fully understand right now, and therefore can be very painful sometimes right now, but will not be any longer "then" or there, when we get there, etc... For that will all be done and finished and over with, pretty much completely then, and when we are there or shortly after we arrive there, etc, (our personality and character development and or growth, etc) (for the most part, etc)...

God Bless!

Woke · Oct 26, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
Yes, He may not remove all of our memories, but He will remove all pain from them, maybe by showing us a whole new "picture" or whatever, and we will have no desire at all to repeat any kind of evil as well, at least, that's what I believe, etc, and think I know from the Bible as well, etc...

God Bless!

And he's teaching us that anyone then that wants to repeat the disobedience that led to this world deserves to die, because one person's disobedience can harm many. That's one lesson this world teaches us.

Neogaia777 · Oct 26, 2019

Woke said:
And he's teaching us that anyone then that wants to repeat the disobedience that led to this world deserves to die, because one person's disobedience can harm many. That's one lesson this world teaches us.

I don't think anyone who goes there, will not have even "any desire to disobey" anymore there ever, like we do still now sometimes here still sometimes, etc... I think that will all be done and gone and eliminated completely there and then, or when, or very shortly after we get there then, etc...

I don't think even the desire to disobey will exist anymore, etc...

But here it is still an issue sometimes right now, etc... But I think it will be completely gone there, etc... Maybe by our "picture" changing also, etc, I don't know, but I do believe it will not even exist any longer there, when we get there, etc, or very shortly afterwards, etc...

God Bless!

HopeInJesusOnly · Oct 26, 2019

Woke said:
And he's teaching us that anyone then that wants to repeat the disobedience that led to this world deserves to die, because one person's disobedience can harm many. That's one lesson this world teaches us.

Um, we have Jesus for our cleansing. We don't need to die. The wages of sin is death, yes, but Jesus came so that we may have life and have it more abundantly...and eternally. It's all about grace through faith in Jesus.

HopeInJesusOnly · Oct 26, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
I don't think even the desire to disobey will exist anymore, etc.

Exactly.

Neogaia777 · Oct 26, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
Exactly.

We will understand so very much more better and so much more then, I think it will remove all pain and all desire to disobey or commit any kind of evil ever forever after that, etc...

Just not that way yet or right now yet, etc...

But I think will be then, etc...

"Will wipe every tear from their eyes (no more pain), and they will not commit any evil (or make any kind of war) anymore", etc, right...?

(my interpretation anyway)...

God Bless!

HopeInJesusOnly · Oct 26, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
We will understand so very much more better and so much more then, I think it will remove all pain and all desire to disobey or commit any kind of evil ever forever after that, etc...

Just not that way yet or right now yet, etc...

But I think will be then, etc...

"Will wipe every tear from their eyes (no more pain), and they will not commit any evil (or make any kind of war) anymore", etc, right...?

(my interpretation anyway)...

God Bless!

It will be perfection. We will understand clearly, see colours we've never seen before and feel love and belonging like only the presence of the Lord can reveal. I can't wait, to be honest. I'm over this world.

Neogaia777 · Oct 26, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
We will understand so very much more better and so much more then, I think it will remove all pain and all desire to disobey or commit any kind of evil ever forever after that, etc...

Just not that way yet or right now yet, etc...

But I think will be then, etc...

"Will wipe every tear from their eyes (no more pain), and they will not commit any evil (or make any kind of war) anymore", etc, right...?

(my interpretation anyway)...

God Bless!

We spend our entire lives here trying to understand, and usually only wind up with knowing just how very much we do not understand or cannot comprehend right now, but there, will understand and know all things, or nearly everything anyway...

Can't wait for that day, how bout you...?

God Bless!

HopeInJesusOnly · Oct 26, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
We spend our entire lives here trying to understand, and usually only wind up with knowing just how very much we do not understand or cannot comprehend right now, but there, will understand and know all things, or nearly everything anyway...

Can't wait for that day, how bout you...?

God Bless!

So much yes!!! Love you.

Neogaia777 · Oct 26, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
So much yes!!! Love you.

Love you too sis!

God Bless!

Sam91 · Oct 26, 2019

Sorn said:
Neither!! This is not reversing time. This is simply the manipulation of light or photons.
A shadow is an absence of light in an otherwise lit area. God can simply remove or stop photons from hitting the surface concerned and presto, you have a shadow.
Also read post #65.

In your opinion. The bible doesn't say how God did it. He created the universe, He is mighty enough to move the Earth back on its orbit.

Given that we measure time based on the Earth's rotation and orbit, then that creates a paradox. The day, year, millennia had extra hours, but people still remembered the events. Time was altered in one way. There were extra hours in that day.

I highly doubt the supposition that it was a trick of diverted photons. The Sun is pretty large and that is a lot of photons to divert. Much easier to move the Earth back on its orbit... or to even rewind time keeping the important people in a time bubble in order to remember and record the miracle.

AlexDTX · Oct 26, 2019

Sorn said:
You obviously don't think we have souls then?

Of course I know we have souls. Souls are the bridge between the physical and the spiritual.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground [creation of the body], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life [creation of the spirit]; and man became a living soul [a product of the body and spirit coming together].

AlexDTX · Oct 26, 2019

Sorn said:
Physics has yet to decide if time is a fundamental property of the universe or an emergent one that is merely measurable!!

If you also think and believe we are spirit as well or that we have souls then there is no reason or need whatsoever for God to go back in time to retrieve a persons body.

Remember, in the resurrection we get clothed with a new body, much different and better than the last. What is important is that we have souls that preserve who we are after our death.

I agree our souls continue after physical death, but without the spiritual rebirth our souls will not be resurrected in new bodies in glory.

1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Your point, however, about the souls certainly makes sense as the template, or in computer terms, the ISO, to create the body.

Nor do I think your concept of rearranging photons is out of the question. My point is that I believe God is master of his own creation and can do anything he wants with it, including moving time back 10 minutes for Hezekiah.

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