Can God Do Anything

[stage five]

God did die...on the Cross!

God died in His humanity. His divinity wasn't killed.

 

[stage five]

I'm no theologian, by a long shot, but I've always understood sin to be anything which is against the will of God. God does as he wills, because there is no higher power compelling him to do that which he would not do. Therefore sin, by definition, is that which God would never choose to do. The only way God would choose to do it is if he changed how he felt about it, but God is unchanging. It's a logical impossibility for God to sin. If he does it, then it isn't sin. If it's sin, then he won't do it. There's no higher power holding him to this commitment, so can't and won't mean the same thing in this context.

Yeah.. God can't do everything. He cannot change or go against His will. If God changes then He is imperfect.

 

[stage five]

sin literally translated means to miss the mark could God create a situation where he fell short of his own standard, sure, He created a sistuation in which he died, yet God can not die. But God did die. As 98 said can't says He is unable, won't says He is able but refuses, can't has a problem with the all powerful part of God.

God didn't die, God cannot die. God in His humanity died.

Saying Pilate killed God and not that Pilate killed the humanity of God is like saying I can shoot arrows into the sky and kill God.

 

[Bluelion]

There is a difference between saying Jesus died in His humanity, which humans can be killed, and saying God died. God cannot be killed. God can die in His humanity. Jesus died, but His humanity died, not His divinity.



Jesus was resurrected, meaning His body came back to life. God was not resurrected because God cannot be resurrected. God was only resurrected in that His humanity was resurrected.



Then Pilates will was done, not God's. God was the ultimate authority.



No, I said God cannot do anything against His nature, that is, evil. God would cease to be God. He would be a contradiction.

Well that is your issue with salvation The Bible state Jesus God died and was resurrected and that is what is necessary to believe to be saved in fact i think you statement goes against our SOF, or at least it should. God's will was to let human will be done, and human will was done so was God's which was to lay down His life.

This is all your opinion you have yet to present and academic argument i would be happy to discuss but if you just want to keep on stating your opinion I don't have time for that. I get you don't believe God can do anything, That does not contribute to the thread. It is not a poll.

 

[Bluelion]

BTW dr. Ed Hindson was one of the board members which translated the ESV. Dr. Elmer Towns was on the board for the NKJV. They both agree God can sin but finds it so disgusting he could never bring Himself to do it. So what are your degree in the matter how many bibles have you translated? It seems a bit arrogant not to listen to men with this backing behind them and think hey maybe they know what they are talking about. I don't know that is just me. If your phone breaks you take it to people who work on those phones or if its apple you would take it to an apple store because they know their products best, you don't take it to a man who just owns an i phone and say fix my phone. That shows an error in your reasoning.

 

[supersoldier71]

do you know what a academic argument is, because that is an opinion nothing more. Thanks for share though

Do YOU know what an academic argument is?

God cannot do anything that is logically impossible: such as cease to exist. Further, God cannot sin, for all that He does is good.

God cannot die in the spiritual sense. In all cases actual death in the Bible is separation from God. God cannot separate Himself from Himself, and His trinitarian nature is also insulation from having to perform the mental gymnastics necessary to explain how he could "die". God's physical form died (and arose three days later!!): God did not die.

Later

 

[stage five]

BTW dr. Ed Hindson was one of the board members which translated the ESV.

As far as I can tell, he wasn't.

Dr. Elmer Towns was on the board for the NKJV.

Both of them have 'degrees' from the diploma mill called liberty university.

They both agree God can sin but finds it so disgusting he could never bring Himself to do it.

That's why having a real degree means something.

So what are your degree in the matter how many bibles have you translated? It seems a bit arrogant not to listen to men with this backing behind them and think hey maybe they know what they are talking about. I don't know that is just me. If your phone breaks you take it to people who work on those phones or if its apple you would take it to an apple store because they know their products best, you don't take it to a man who just owns an i phone and say fix my phone. That shows an error in your reasoning.

Their degrees are jokes. If they believe God finds sin 'disgusting' then it shows their lack of education and formation.

 

[Bluelion]

Do YOU know what an academic argument is?

God cannot do anything that is logically impossible: such as cease to exist. Further, God cannot sin, for all that He does is good.

God cannot die in the spiritual sense. In all cases actual death in the Bible is separation from God. God cannot separate Himself from Himself, and His trinitarian nature is also insulation from having to perform the mental gymnastics necessary to explain how he could "die". God's physical form died (and arose three days later!!): God did not die.

Later

Yeah I asked if you knew how to argue academically because stating your opinion over and over is not an argument. Where are your references? How many Bible degrees do you hold? Why should some one believe you over The worlds leading biblical scholars?

You have a problem with salvation then the Bible says Jesus died and unless you believe He died and was resurrected you will not see heaven. This is very basic salvation stuff. No death is not always being separated from God that is the second death, death is being in the grave. He died but he did not die i mean Just his body, what logic is that?

If you think you can argue academically i would be happy to do so, but stating your opinion over and over again is not fruit full to this thread so if that is all your going to do it has been noted, no need to post it over and over again. We should take your opinion over elders in the church because you are who again? I don't want to be rude but that sounds pretty arrogant, and I feel you are being rude in my thread by stating what you believe over and over again, with out any reason for such beliefs, or scripture, or any references what so ever, to say why you believe what you believe. It seems a lot like you want to emotionally argue about and that is not what this thread is. I am happy to entertain any and all objection within the guidelines of an academic argument not an emotional one.

 

[Bluelion]

As far as I can tell, he wasn't.



Both of them have 'degrees' from the diploma mill called liberty university.



That's why having a real degree means something.


Their degrees are jokes. If they believe God finds sin 'disgusting' then it shows their lack of education and formation.

See your whole arugement is one big ad hominem logical fallacies. In fact you have yet to make an academic argument. How many degree do you hold? Those people list are teachers at that college but did not get their degrees from there. Hindson might have gotten one or 2 out of the 7 there. Liberty University is not a degree mill in fact the graduations rate is 50% that is half that student that go there will get their degree from there. Further more is is an accredited college recognized by the department of education. Not that you made a real argument any ways but I addressed it any way.

Tell me how many Bible degrees do you hold and from what school did you get them?

I should also put this is a baptist forum so unless you are baptist you can not teach in this forum but may post in fellowship only. Liberty University is also the largest baptist college in the world and also the largest christian college. But your school is?

 

[supersoldier71]

Yeah I asked if you knew how to argue academically because stating your opinion over and over is not an argument. Where are your references? How many Bible degrees do you hold? Why should some one believe you over The worlds leading biblical scholars?

You have a problem with salvation then the Bible says Jesus died and unless you believe He died and was resurrected you will not see heaven. This is very basic salvation stuff. No death is not always being separated from God that is the second death, death is being in the grave. He died but he did not die i mean Just his body, what logic is that?

If you think you can argue academically i would be happy to do so, but stating your opinion over and over again is not fruit full to this thread so if that is all your going to do it has been noted, no need to post it over and over again. We should take your opinion over elders in the church because you are who again? I don't want to be rude but that sounds pretty arrogant, and I feel you are being rude in my thread by stating what you believe over and over again, with out any reason for such beliefs, or scripture, or any references what so ever, to say why you believe what you believe. It seems a lot like you want to emotionally argue about and that is not what this thread is. I am happy to entertain any and all objection within the guidelines of an academic argument not an emotional one.

Bro',

I stated my position ONCE and you asked if I knew how to argue academically. Once. No repetition.

Do I think can argue academically. Do YOU know what ad hominem means?

Further, I am about to graduate from Liberty U. (not a degree mill by any means; ask the DoD, DoE and all the graduate schools that have accepted me).

Go easy on the ad hominem attacks on people who have no axe to grind with you.

 

[Bluelion]

Bro',

I stated my position ONCE and you asked if I knew how to argue academically. Once. No repetition.

Do I think can argue academically. Do YOU know what ad hominem means?

Further, I am about to graduate from Liberty U. (not a degree mill by any means; ask the DoD, DoE and all the graduate schools that have accepted me).

Go easy on the ad hominem attacks on people who have no axe to grind with you.

You stated your opinion not an academic argument. A academic arugement is when you have references, sources, scripture to back up or disprove the argument being stated. Sorry but the no God can not do this and God did not die and all that is your opinion, you offered nothing to back up your statement. So my statement stands.

I see so you want me to tell you what an Ad hominem is? Btw that comment which i point out that logical fallacy was not addressed to you.

 

[98cwitr]

God didn't die, God cannot die. God in His humanity died.

Saying Pilate killed God and not that Pilate killed the humanity of God is like saying I can shoot arrows into the sky and kill God.

Pilate didn't kill Him...it was the Roman soldier(s) that killed Him.

 

[98cwitr]

Neither. It is simply because GOD IS GOD and not man.

It's gotta be one or the other. You're response doesn't address the nature of God, only reiterates that God is God (duh).

 

[supersoldier71]

You stated your opinion not an academic argument. A academic arugement is when you have references, sources, scripture to back up or disprove the argument being stated. Sorry but the no God can not do this and God did not die and all that is your opinion, you offered nothing to back up your statement. So my statement stands.

I see so you want me to tell you what an Ad hominem is? Btw that comment which i point out that logical fallacy was not addressed to you.

Because that God is God is an irreducible minimum, and in philosophical debates, those are not cited because it is assumed that the listener will understand a thing cannot be and NOT be, for example. I person cannot be in and OUT of a room at the same time. These things are logical impossibilities and may not be reduced to simpler forms, they simply ARE. Certain logical impossibilities are possible for our God, however: He can be in more than one place at one time (omnipresence); perhaps God the Father could create a rock so big that God the Son couldn't physically lift it?

There are some characteristics of God are essential to the concept of [the] God [of the Bible]. I attempted to articulate this.

I do not need you to tell me what a personal attack is. I was asking if you knew that a ad hominem attack and a logical fallacy were different, but perhaps it was an error of punctuation.

I bow to your superior academic acumen and rhetorical skill.

Good night and God bless.

 

[Bluelion]

Pilate didn't kill Him...it was the Roman soldier(s) that killed Him.

actually he was dead when the spear went in Him. You could say the guys who nailed him to the cross but if you want to get down to who did it and was charged with it it was the Jews. I am pretty sure Jesus said they would be charged with killing Him and all the prophets that generation of Jews.

 

[Bluelion]

Because that God is God is an irreducible minimum, and in philosophical debates, those are not cited because it is assumed that the listener will understand a thing cannot be and NOT be, for example. I person cannot be in and OUT of a room at the same time. These things are logical impossibilities and may not be reduced to simpler forms, they simply ARE. Certain logical impossibilities are possible for our God, however: He can be in more than one place at one time (omnipresence); perhaps God the Father could create a rock so big that God the Son couldn't physically lift it?

There are some characteristics of God are essential to the concept of [the] God [of the Bible]. I attempted to articulate this.

I do not need you to tell me what a personal attack is. I was asking if you knew that a ad hominem attack and a logical fallacy were different, but perhaps it was an error of punctuation.

I bow to your superior academic acumen and rhetorical skill.

Good night and God bless.

again God can not die yet He created a situation in which He did die and took his life up again. Talk about illogical, you say God's body died but God did not die, what do you think death is?

Further more you talk about illogical you say God is all powerful but somethings are out of His power. Then say I am being illogical?

an Ad hominem Is a logical fallacy, look it up. Like I said that was not addressed to you. So why you are pulling bits and peaces from my other post address to other people and applying them to you I don't know. You seem to be in an emotional argument and as I stated i wish for an academic one.

 

[98cwitr]

actually he was dead when the spear went in Him. You could say the guys who nailed him to the cross but if you want to get down to who did it and was charged with it it was the Jews. I am pretty sure Jesus said they would be charged with killing Him and all the prophets that generation of Jews.

If you REALLY wanna get down to it, His Father killed Him. "Take this cup from me...." Only to be raised again!

 

[Travelers.Soul]

God is omniscient, which means all knowing, so then he could not create something that he does not know about. Why? Because for God to be all knowing means he knows everything, past, present, future, every thought, every action, every motive, etc. If God did create something that he did not know about then he would not be omniscient. God will not violate his nature or his attributes to do so would make God a liar at the very least and God cannot lie.

 

[Bluelion]

If you REALLY wanna get down to it, His Father killed Him. "Take this cup from me...." Only to be raised again!

His Father allowed Him to be killed

 

[Bluelion]

God is omniscient, which means all knowing, so then he could not create something that he does not know about. Why? Because for God to be all knowing means he knows everything, past, present, future, every thought, every action, every motive, etc. If God did create something that he did not know about then he would not be omniscient. God will not violate his nature or his attributes to do so would make God a liar at the very least and God cannot lie.

Then you have a problem with all powerful part if you say something is out of His power. As 98 pointed out God chooses to forget our sins, yet He is all knowing yet he forgets.

I don't know why this is so hard for people? Simply saying nothing is beyond His power.