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Can God Commit Suicide?

joebudda

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Is god capable of non-existence? Does he have the ability to zap himself into non-existence?

If so, how would we know, or could we even know if god ceased existing? Could god have ceased existing a while ago but we just don’t know yet?

What do you suppose would be some of the repercussions if god ceased existing?
 

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joebudda said:
Is god capable of non-existence? Does he have the ability to zap himself into non-existence?

If so, how would we know, or could we even know if god ceased existing? Could god have ceased existing a while ago but we just don’t know yet?

What do you suppose would be some of the repercussions if god ceased existing?

My advice ?
Put down that pipe you're smokin !
 
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joebudda said:
Is god capable of non-existence? Does he have the ability to zap himself into non-existence?
Im not sure if it would be a zap
I see it rather as a fairly large 'bang'
joebudda said:
What do you suppose would be some of the repercussions if god ceased existing?
The entire universe, for one :)
 
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Caprice said:
Read God's Debris... not exactly what I'd consider a great theological book, but it might help you get the answer to your curiosity... at least from another human point of view.
Awesome book! :clap:
Hence my responses above
 
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What a good question. If that is what the pipe does, please continue smoking it.

We hold that God's essence is Existence, and so therefore He exists necessarily. He can not not exist.

By contrast, the universe (and everything in it) has a contingent existence. Thus, it is logically possible for the universe not to exist. There was even a logical point at which this was case (before creation, outside of time).

So, no, God cannot die, anymore than He can lie. He does not have the power to do that which is contradictory. Whereas a square circle is absurd to us, a non-existent God is absurd in itself.
 
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joebudda said:
Is god capable of non-existence? Does he have the ability to zap himself into non-existence?

If so, how would we know, or could we even know if god ceased existing? Could god have ceased existing a while ago but we just don’t know yet?

What do you suppose would be some of the repercussions if god ceased existing?

Well, I supose in theory an all powerful God should be able to end it all. However this would apear to be out of character. If you are omnipotent being of Love able to create anything, even enough anti depresants for a God size case of the blues then I gues that life is pretty good so why do it any way?

Having the ability is quite different from having the will power not to. Above all, if God has the will to decide that He is never going to cease existing and God according to all testimony is unlikely to chance His mind once He has made it up.
 
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joebudda said:
Is god capable of non-existence? Does he have the ability to zap himself into non-existence?

If so, how would we know, or could we even know if god ceased existing? Could god have ceased existing a while ago but we just don’t know yet?

What do you suppose would be some of the repercussions if god ceased existing?
:doh: :sleep: I bet you thought this would be an insightful thread, didn't you?
 
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joebudda said:
Is god capable of non-existence? Does he have the ability to zap himself into non-existence?

If so, how would we know, or could we even know if god ceased existing? Could god have ceased existing a while ago but we just don’t know yet?

What do you suppose would be some of the repercussions if god ceased existing?

from a biblical point of view God is not contained by time or space so I think dying is out of the question... I mean He is now and He is in the future and He is in the past AT THE SAME "TIME". I believe dying goes against the nature of God. Dying appears to me to be a an entirely natural process...and therefore less then relevant to God who is by His very nature "supernatural" that is above nature.

Peace
 
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Also God is a being, an entity but also a communion of 3 inseparable 'characters' within Himself. hmmm God by His nature is not understandable to the human mind. We can talk about God walking and talking... but God is Spirit, His being does not reside within a 'body' although God being God He is well capable of doing what He wishes.


Humanity has a ridiculous idea that power is the ability to do whatever one wants whenever one wants. That is destructive power rather then true power.

Real power is knowing what one ought to do and being capable of doing it even if it is contrary to ones own desire.
 
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joebudda said:
Is god capable of non-existence? Does he have the ability to zap himself into non-existence?

If so, how would we know, or could we even know if god ceased existing? Could god have ceased existing a while ago but we just don’t know yet?

What do you suppose would be some of the repercussions if god ceased existing?

Well... what god are you talking about? Most likely my answer will be no.

1. If you are talking about a god that doesn't really exist, then nothing that can exist can further cause itself to not exist any more than it already non exists.

2. If you are talking about a god as a figment of someone's imagination, like an imaginary friend that has powers, then again we're back to the fact that it's just someone's imagination. The person could make that particular imagination disappear though.

3. If you are talking about a lesser god in the sense that he's was made by some other more powerful god, then perhaps this is the one case where I would say, yes, this lesser god could end his own existence perhaps. In a sense that we are gods perhaps in a relative sense compared to say a monkey, we too can purposefully end our own lives.

4. If you are talking about the Christian God along with what christian theologians say about him, then you are talking about a God who is perfect, incredibly powerful (although limited in a sense*), absolutely moral/good, uncaused, willful, absolutely logical, all-knowing, unchangeable, and a number of others I'm leaving off. By definition good is something that is loving, full of life, benevolent, desiring joy for others, etc... So if God is absolutely good, then there is no way he could be destroy himself. In essence though he is the prime existance (ie, nothing was before him, nothing caused him, he created everything). Being the prime existance though means that nothing can change him. Well, even if you didn't accept that, if you're pure love, pure logic, all-knowing, all-powerful, then you're going to answer the same question everytime absolutely correctly. So if God would commit suicide, then it would have already have happened the moment it became possible. But the "moment it became possible" is nonsensical because I already said that nothing causes him or changes him. He simply IS. If you asked him what his name is, he would tell you, "I AM". And quite profoundly that would be the most accurate name a being has ever had. So the idea of God not existing is akin to the idea of true being false. So in the end, this viewpoint also says No, God couldn't commit suicide.
 
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joebudda said:
Is god capable of non-existence? Does he have the ability to zap himself into non-existence?


God acn not zap himself out of existence. He already wrote his plan(in the Bible) on what the end of the world will be like and how He will establish His everlasting kingdom. If He zapped himself out of existence, that would mean the God lied which is impossible for God to do. :) :wave:
 
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