can demons move objects

[Dave-W]

Yet you are willing to believe that is true with exactly ZERO information for the sake of argument

I did not say it was true. I said it MAY be true. We do not know.

but not demons. The words signify a thing they aren't the thing. Words signify a concept and the concept doesn't change but a word does.

I base my belief that demons are different from fallen angels based on differing descriptions in the NT texts.

You have yet to tell me why you believe they must be the same thing.

 

[RDKirk]

So with regard to Ephesians 6:12, what difference does all this wordplay make?

"'Xcuse me, but before I invoke the name o' Jesus on your nasty spiritual carcass, is you a demon or is you a fallen angel?"

 

[RoseCrystal]

I know someone who used to dabble in black magic, tarot cards and the usual sorcery practices, and the evil activity that he witnessed was one of the few reasons why he abandoned those practices and took up Christianity.

Weird images, numbers, objects moving, and strange sounds were some of those activities.

This is the same reason why I came back to Christ. I was practicing 'white witchcraft/Wicca' that they try and claim is all fluffy bunny and harmless and for the good of everyone. It invites evil and demons into your life and that of those you live with, and Jesus Christ is the only way to get rid of it. For years I thought there was no God, no Jesus, no Holy Spirit. Then I found out the hard way through some very frightening experiences that satan and his fallen angels are very real, and they hate us. So if realised that if satan is real, then so is God. I know for certain who's side I'm on now, and I'll never forget why, Jesus truely is my lord and my saviour.

 

[BobRyan]

Demons are fallen angels.

True.

God created good angels - some of the fell and are now demons.

 

[BobRyan]

In Ephesians 6 below, they are referred to as angels and invisible. The things mentioned have to do with various functions of government. So, there are no material things in heaven it must be that a throne isn't a chair.

There are a great many physical things in heaven... every description of it in the Bible - describes its physical attributes.

 

[BobRyan]

They were blinded by the devil and our Lord called them on it:

John 5:39
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;​

True.

2 Cor 4
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God