Can Christians commit suicide and still enter into the Kingdom of God?

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I think people should consider one can be sick in their heads just like they can be sick in their stomach. Does one make heaven their home if they died with a sick stomach? Why would they if their head was confused? If we're going to slam one who had committed suicide wouldn't you likewise have to do the same for someone who destroyed themselves by say over drinking or smoking or some other vice?

So they in a sense had killed themselves but they get to go to heaven by saying a sinners prayer? One might claim it's different...how so? And if one committed suicide what was their reason? If they were in intolerable pain with no hope of relief (and I'm still not saying it's a good thing to do) but it can be easy to throw stones at one of which you know nothing of what they're going through.

Or people have a broken heart and see no hope of relief....No I don't think God is so judgmental not understanding that people can make mistakes. One the other hand if one commits suicide such doesn't mean they'll go to heaven....did they KNOW the Lord? Were they in relationship with him although they slipped into getting confused and mixed up in a difficulty?

If they didn't KNOW God before hand why should we think the rules are any different about the way and method of being saved? So I'd suggest some would make heaven their home while others would not but it's not necessary because they committed suicide. The suicide may have had nothing to do with it.
 
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I don't think you understand how someone who is suicidal is thinking. I'm sure there are people who die by suicide who clearly and rationally make a choice to die. I think they're few and far between.
You become convinced you are doing the best thing you can for those around you. Your feelings towards God may vary; in my case with my attempt, I felt like I was such a failure before God I deserved death. I had been struggling with depression related psychosis. I had barely eaten or drank and hadn't hardly got out of bed in 2 weeks. I wasn't in my right frame of mind. But after I attempted, I called for help. This is very common; when they did a survey of the people who had survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, their last thought before they hit the water was universally wishing they could take it back. It's hard to describe a suicidal mind in a post like this. There is no way to describe the despair, the brain fog, the pain.

Suicide is not the unforgiveable sin. It doesn't say so in Scripture. It's certainly not something you want to bet on, but the depth of mental illness it takes to commit suicide I truly believe limits culpability of the person. If they couldn't make a rational decision, there is reason to hope God will have mercy on them.

If you're interested in getting a clearer picture into the mindframe of suicidal people, I would recommend "Night Falls Fast" by Kay Jamison.
 
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Of course, suicide is not the unpardonable sin. That doesn't mean it is right to commit suicide, but it is wrong to presume that God's grace or mercy do not extend to even those who commit suicide.
 
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Suicide is not the unforgiveable sin. It doesn't say so in Scripture.

It is usually regarded as unforgivable because one cannot ask for forgiveness after committing it. (Unless, I suppose you commit it in a time-delayed way, like taking a slow acting poison.)
 
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It is usually regarded as unforgivable because one cannot ask for forgiveness after committing it. (Unless, I suppose you commit it in a time-delayed way, like taking a slow acting poison.)

Luther did not teach that suicide was unforgivable. In fact he wrote to the contrary- while Christians do not exactly approve of suicide, it is wrong to assume a person who commits suicide is damned for it, because as Luther said, a person who commits suicide is often more like a robber on the road attacked by a thief- a victim, not a criminal.
 
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Well, I suppose Luther would have been an expert on sin, considering he indulged in so much of it...

There is no human being alive that earns heaven through their sinlessness, so I am not sure what your point is.

Luther's message was that God has compassion on those who commit suicide. Jesus is the exact likeness of the Father. God saves sinners, even people that commit suicide. When God looks at us, he does not see us as sinners, but his children.
 
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There is no human being alive that earns heaven through their sinlessness, so I am not sure what your point is.

The point is, Luther thought it was forgivable to murder Jews, so it is not so surprising he thought it was forgivable to murder oneself.
 
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The point is, Luther thought it was forgivable to murder Jews, so it is not so surprising he thought it was forgivable to murder oneself.


I think that's taking Luther's admittedly hateful writings on the Jews out of their historical context, which was from a sick man who was dying from heart disease and dementia.

God does not judge us by our failures, but he forgives us on account of Christ's merits. This is basic Reformed and Lutheran soteriology.
 
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"Suicide is a sin & means no heaven."


I haven't found one verse in the Bible that says this. If you can find one then let me know.

I Cor 3:17 is not talking about suicide so that one won't work. It is talking about someone trying to destroy the temple of God as a whole. The 'and that temple is you' is in the plural not the singular.

I agree with ace & timothyu & worshipjunkie. When you work with the suicidal like I have, you understand their thinking. Most who commit suicide do not intentionally do it but are usually crying for help. The small minority who commit suicide on the first try don't tell anyone they are going to do it but just do it. They are the surprising ones to everyone because no one saw it coming.

And Saul, despite his sin of rebellion & suicide was still saved. When the prophet Samuel was called up from Abraham's bosom (gan eden, abode of bliss, paradise) in Sheol, he prophesied that Saul & his sons would be killed the next day but then said they would JOIN SAMUEL where he was in Sheol, not with those who were unbelievers.

I Sam 28:19 The LORD will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons WILL BE WITH ME. The LORD will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines."

I Cor 5, the man who had his father's wife, was turned over to Satan by Paul, that if he didn't repent, it would be for the destruction of his body, but his spirit would be saved in the day of Jesus. That was a form of suicide if it had happened. But he did repent before it happened.

I Cor 5;3-5 Although I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit, and I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4When you are gathered in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, along with the power of the Lord Jesus, 5hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord.

Suicide is not the unpardonable sin & is forgiven in the blood of Christ, to those who are born again Christians. Some people have chemical imbalances in their body that lead to depression, etc. and have accidentally killed themselves, crying out for help.

It is indeed a sin that cannot be turned around like most other sins & God is not pleased with that, because it stops His purpose of conforming us to the image of Christ & growth to maturity in Him.
 
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It is said in 1 John 3:15 that if you murder, you have no eternal life in you, so this might be why the common teaching about suicide arose in the church.

However, this stance may also imply christians cannot serve in the armed forces, since murdering other people is not fit for people who will inherit eternal life. etc.
 
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we are saved by God's Grace for Christ sake through faith. Suicide, murder, rape, child molestation, adultry, and any other sin we commit can be fully covered by the blood of Christ, even your sin.

Don't forget "our righteousness is as filthy rags"

A lack of saving faith is what condemns us, and no one can see the heart but God.

Don't forget the first will be last, and the last will be first. I think most people will be shocked at who they find at peace with the lord, and who missed the boat.

If heaven is only a place for non sinners, it will be empty. God views our sin through the blood of Christ, it's paid for, it was mailed to the cross.

Moses, and David were murderer's, and Paul was complacent in the same, and they were forgiven.

I would not be so arrogant to say that someone who committed suicide forfeits eternal life, the truth is no one knows, not you, not me.
 
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We live in a fallen sinful world, dispare, hopelessness, pain, and anguish are everywhere, and people suffer from mental illness, and inspite of our efforts, people still sin.
 
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Moses, and David were murderers, and Paul was complicent in the same, they were all forgiven. There is no sin so great that the blood of Christ cannot cover, and he is waiting with open arms to do so, our sins are freely forgiven for Christ sake, no one can earn his forgiveness, we cannot purchase it. Murder, suicide, rape, child molestation, adultry, and every other sin is forgiven the same. Are people who take there life beyond the grace of God? The truth is know one knows, some day we will find out.
 
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This is kind of why I live in questions.

I think some people might start quoting those passages that those sins you listed that were forgiven will not inherit the kingdom of God. and totally have some serious questions. might want to prepare some rebuttals.
 
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Paul was a murderer, so I guess that excludes him also.
 
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Paul was a murderer, so I guess that excludes him also.
Depending on your interpretation ethic.

If we assume Paul is saved, ("I too have the Holy Spirit") then this modifies how the balance of scripture paints the picture. The passages in James about judging with mercy come to mind, they seem to apply a lot when reading the bible, since reading the bible results in making one judgment or another nowadays.
 
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