Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

[Guojing]

What this does tell us, though, is that two types of "tongues" were known to the early church, both "universal language" tongues and ecstatic utterance tongues.

How do you conclude that from those 2 passages?

 

[ARBITER01]

Yes,- in languages that everyone can understand. If not, an interpreter is needed. That was Paul's entire point.

The gift of tongues is not for the preaching of the gospel. Never has been.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Indeed. For example, a fear of holy objects that one is carrying which are not visibly displayed. Out of curiosity have you ever dealt with it? You’re so stout-hearted and indefatigable, I would say you have the perfect temperament to do war with the evil one.

Indeed it is truly meet your name is Mark, for like the Holy Evangelist and enlightener of Alexandria and all Egypt, you can be thought of like a lion and as a disciple of St. Peter the Apostle.

Your flattery is unwarranted! But thank you. My second given name is Andrew. Mom and Dad must have figured I was going to need all the help I could get. LOL

Recently, an individual who occasionally attended our Church, having misled the Pastor regarding instruction from a former Pastor, he approached the Altar during distribution of the sacrament. Upon receiving the precious blood, he was already kneeling, he fell down, roared like a lion, and then quickly left the Church. I was assisting as deacon for the distribution. After, I was able to give the Pastor a briefing on the person's history with us, and Pastor said he wished I had said something before he communed him. My reply was that he had approached the Altar and received a blessing numerous times before, and I also told Pastor that is is not my custom to second guess my Pastors action, particularly at our Lord's Altar during the distribution of Christ's body and blood.

The person did return the following Sunday, arriving early, Pastor invited him in to discuss what had happened, at the mention of the name of Jesus, he simply got up and fled the building. That was about 2 months ago, we have not seen him since. We also don't know where to find him as he is a homeless person.

Please pray for him and all of the troubled and repressed souls in the world; there are many.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I don’t understand why people can’t sing one of the very many beautiful hymns composed for Christian worship over the last 1,400-1,992 years, or for that matter, the Psalms and Evangelical Canticles.*

Singing incomprehensible non-verbal repetitive patterns when one has such a compelling heritage of Christian worship music in continuous use since time immemorial (in many cases we are not sure exactly how old these hymns are but have only an approximate idea or understanding of when they appeared) just seems wrong. Of course I say the same thing about the use of praise and worship music or Christian rock music, which just strikes me as entirely wrong.

*For example,the Trisagion, Ho Monogenes, Te Deum Laudamus (a favorite of my friend @MarkRohfrietsch ), Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent, Gloria in Excelsis Deo, Agnus Dei, Phos Hilarion, Haw Nurone (a Syriac Orthodox hymn that is perhaps my favorite due to its Eucharistic content), the Cherubic Hymn, It Is Truly Meet, and All of Creation are all hymns that are on average about 1500 years old (some newer, some older) and most of which exist in several (by which I mean hundreds) of settings), actually, technically one could argue Gloria in Excelsis Deo, Agnus Dei and the Sanctus could fall into the category of evangelical canticles insofar as their content is taken directly from the Gospel text, but the three definite evangelical canticles the Benedictus, Magnificat and the Nunc Dimitis )also known as the Song of Symeon). These together with the Psalms, particularly some Psalms such as Jubilate Deo and Psalms 94, 95, 96, 102, 103 and 106 and Psalms 147, 148, 149 and 150 are extremely heavily used in Christian worship, along with the Old Testament canticles (which include two songs of Moses (the one from Deuteronomy being highly penitential), the song of Habbakuk, Benedicite Omni Opera and a few others, for example the Songs of the Suffering Servent, which are Christological prophecies from Isaiah).

Now, we are talking!!

 

[JulieB67]

he gift of tongues is not for the preaching of the gospel. Never has been.

I see that pentecostal tongue differently when it comes to the end times and people giving their testimony. It will certainly be the Holy Spirit speaking though them in a language everyone would understand or else it would not be used for a witness unto all nations.

Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought before-hand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit.

Luke 21:15 "For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist."

Revelation 12:11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."


And speaking in tongues (different languages) is certainly a gift of the spirit. But knowing and speaking different languages today is not the same as that pentecostal tongue. Many unbelievers know and speak different languages. And on that pentecostal day if was proof of the Holy Spirit. But no confusion is involved today. If a foreign believer spoke to me on that day, I would hear it in English. That was the point and the proof that something miraculous was happening. And coming from Paul's and the church perspective languages should be used to edify/teach the church. Paul could speak more than one language but he stated he would rather speak a few words that all could understand than thousands of words no one could understand.

Corinthians 14:5 "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying."


I Corinthians 14:6 "Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine

How is it going to profit any of them if he came speaking in different languages?

I Corinthians 14:7 "And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?"

Even things without life giving off sounds

I Corinthians 14:8 "For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

They would not be prepared

I Corinthians 14:9 "So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air."

So likewise, expect ye speak a tongue (language) easy to understand, how do you understand what is spoken. If Paul went in there talking in a different language he would basically and anyone else be speaking to the air. That's how useless it would be.


I Corinthians 14:13 "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret

I Corinthians 14:14 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful."


I Corinthians 14:15 "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."

You have to be in tune with the spirit and pray with "understanding" This has never been about praying to God in a language you yourself don't even understand. That's not Paul's point.


Corinthians 14:16 "Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say "Amen" at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayeth?"

I Corinthians 14:26 "How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.


I Corinthians 14:27 "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret."

I Corinthians 14:28 "But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God."

And we can't read anything into this verse as many do

I Corinthians 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal."

Paul is just making a point that he could speak every different language including the angels but it would be nothing without charity/love.

Again, he states in chapter 14, we should pray with understanding.

 

[RDKirk]

And speaking in tongues (different languages) is certainly a gift of the spirit. But knowing and speaking different languages today is not the same as that pentecostal tongue. Many unbelievers know and speak different languages. And on that pentecostal day if was proof of the Holy Spirit. But no confusion is involved today. If a foreign believer spoke to me on that day, I would hear it in English. That was the point and the proof that something miraculous was happening.

This is what people seem not to understand about the miracle on Pentecost.

That was not a miracle of the apostles speaking in different languages. that was a miracle of the apostles speaking Aramaic, but a myriad of different people with a myriad of different native languages hearing the apostles speaking in their own individual native languages. It was a miracle of universal comprehension.

In such a case, an interpreter would not be needed.

That's how we know the Pentecost tongues are not the same phenomenon as Paul is discussing with the Corinthians, for which he instructs that an interpreter must be present.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

Shawn Bolz, who was recently accused of fabricating prophecies in his ministry, recently shared that it appears OpenAI’s chatbot, ChatGPT, can translate speaking in tongues, also known as glossolalia.

In a recent discussion about God and technology shared on YouTube, Bolz highlighted what is being called the “ChatGPT Tongues Challenge,” which a number of Charismatic and Pentecostal Christians have been engaging in online.

“This week, one of my friends reached out to me who's also a journalist and a writer, and she said, ‘Have you done the ChatGPT tongues thing yet?’ And I said, ‘What are you talking about?’ She goes, ‘I spoke in my prayer language on ChatGPT and it actually interpreted some of my prayer language in different languages around the world,’” Bolz said.

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Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues Many Charismatic and Pentecostal Christians have been engaging in the ChatGPT Tongues Challenge to see if OpenAI s chatbot can translate speaking in tongues,

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It's important to understand that the Catholic Church teaches the original gift of tongues at Pentecost as a miraculous ability to speak real, unlearned human languages for the purpose of evangelisation. Contemporary Pentecostal expressions—such as glossolalia or ecstatic speech—are not rejected outright, but they are subject to discernment and must align with Church teaching on the Holy Spirit’s authentic action.

 

[JulieB67]

, but a myriad of different people with a myriad of different native languages hearing the apostles speaking in their own individual native languages. It was a miracle of universal comprehension.

In such a case, an interpreter would not be needed.

That was my point about the end time pentecostal tongue. I think it will happen again on a grander scale. And yes, no one would have to learn a different language as it is the Holy Spirit speaking through them.

But the so called speaking in tongues (languages) today that is unknown to anybody, especially in churches -I don't find it biblical. Prayer/speaking within ourselves and within the church should be understood. That was Paul's point.

 

[RDKirk]

That was my point about the end time pentecostal tongue. I think it will happen again on a grander scale. And yes, no one would have to learn a different language as it is the Holy Spirit speaking through them.

But the so called speaking in tongues today that is unknown to anybody, especially in churches -I don't find it biblical. Prayer/speaking within ourselves and within the church should be understood. That was Paul's point.

But the Corinthians were experiencing some kind of phenomenon, and Paul did not tell them to stop. In fact, he said he did it more than anyone else. But he instructed them to control it.

So, what phenomenon was Paul talking about? It wasn't the universal comprehension of Pentecost...it was something requiring interpretation.

In all this, I'm not saying current Charismatic glossolalia is correct or being done correctly.

I'm saying there were two different glossolalia phenomena known to the apostles.

 

[The Liturgist]

It wasn't the universal comprehension of Pentecost...it was something requiring interpretation

That said, Pentecost wasn’t universal comprehension but rather people hearing the Holy Apostles speak in their own language. As such, it is reasonable that if tongues consist of the ability to miraculously speak a real language one does not personally know, but which some people do, that would indicate the need for interpreters in the same way in which interpreters are used by police, courts, hospitals and related services to communicate with people who speak a different language - the only difference here being the speaker of the language doesn’t know the language they speak, but someone else in the congregation might (all of St. Paul’s churchess we are aware of were in predominantly Greek speaking areas, but likely had some who could speak Latin, various Aramaic dialects, Coptic, Persian, and perhaps Ge’ez (the language of the Ethiopians still in vernacular use at that time), Classical Armenian and Iberian (which become known as Georgian) and other languages spoken in proximity to the Roman oikumene.

 

[RDKirk]

That said, Pentecost wasn’t universal comprehension but rather people hearing the Holy Apostles speak in their own language. As such, it is reasonable that if tongues consist of the ability to miraculously speak a real language one does not personally know, but which some people do, that would indicate the need for interpreters in the same way in which interpreters are used by police, courts, hospitals and related services to communicate with people who speak a different language - the only difference here being the speaker of the language doesn’t know the language they speak, but someone else in the congregation might (all of St. Paul’s churchess we are aware of were in predominantly Greek speaking areas, but likely had some who could speak Latin, various Aramaic dialects, Coptic, Persian, and perhaps Ge’ez (the language of the Ethiopians still in vernacular use at that time), Classical Armenian and Iberian (which become known as Georgian) and other languages spoken in proximity to the Roman oikumene.

I'll say right up front that if I agreed with all Roman Catholic teaching, I'd be Roman Catholic.

Universal comprehension is each person hearing in his or her individual language. This was not each apostle speaking in each of dozens of languages.

Think about what you're claiming. You're claiming that Peter spoke successively in a score of different languages repeating what he said a score of times and somehow not realizing it.

No, Peter spoke once in Aramaic and everyone simultaneously heard it in their own language.

 

[The Liturgist]

I'll say right up front that if I agreed with all Roman Catholic teaching, I'd be Roman Catholic.

As would I, but neither of us are in the position of agreeing with all Roman Catholic teaching. For example, I am not convinced this charism, or any gift given by God, need appear in one form only but would rather be contoured to the needs of the Church.

I should also add I am not speaking about what happened on Pentecost with St. Peter and the other Apostles, but rather what might have been the case with St. Paul.

My own experience with an Orthodox monk was being able to understand him in the absence of a shared language, and this idea has been regarded by many Orthodox as the raison d’etre of speaking in tongues.

My position, based on the recorded history of Orthodox monasticism and the wonderworking saints we have records of going back to the first century, is one of hard non-cessationism; whereas many Presbyterians and others believe that speaking in tongues and other spiritual charisms positively ceased after the end of the “Apostolic Age”, I believe that these gifts have continued in the service of the church, and that the forms in which we still experience them are definitive. Like the great Orthodox monk Fr. Seraphim Rose, who will likely be glorified (canonized) at some point in the near future, I have definite concerns about some practices associated with the Pentecostal and Charismatic movement, although one particular concern of mine which Fr. Seraphim did not address in Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future (a title best understood in the sense of Orthodoxy vs. novel forms of Christianity and new religious movements) is the issue of discontinuity: specifically, the glossolalia which began being reported at the Azusa Street Revival in Los Angeles and which is now a defining feature of many Pentecostal and Charismatic churches lacks historical continuity with the experience of this charism and other charisms such as prophetic abilities which we have seen among the Orthodox wonder-working saints since the beginning.

 

[RDKirk]

As would I, but neither of us are in the position of agreeing with all Roman Catholic teaching. For example, I am not convinced this charism, or any gift given by God, need appear in one form only but would rather be contoured to the needs of the Church.

I should also add I am not speaking about what happened on Pentecost with St. Peter and the other Apostles, but rather what might have been the case with St. Paul.

My own experience with an Orthodox monk was being able to understand him in the absence of a shared language, and this idea has been regarded by many Orthodox as the raison d’etre of speaking in tongues.

My position, based on the recorded history of Orthodox monasticism and the wonderworking saints we have records of going back to the first century, is one of hard non-cessationism; whereas many Presbyterians and others believe that speaking in tongues and other spiritual charisms positively ceased after the end of the “Apostolic Age”, I believe that these gifts have continued in the service of the church, and that the forms in which we still experience them are definitive. Like the great Orthodox monk Fr. Seraphim Rose, who will likely be glorified (canonized) at some point in the near future, I have definite concerns about some practices associated with the Pentecostal and Charismatic movement, although one particular concern of mine which Fr. Seraphim did not address in Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future (a title best understood in the sense of Orthodoxy vs. novel forms of Christianity and new religious movements) is the issue of discontinuity: specifically, the glossolalia which began being reported at the Azusa Street Revival in Los Angeles and which is now a defining feature of many Pentecostal and Charismatic churches lacks historical continuity with the experience of this charism and other charisms such as prophetic abilities which we have seen among the Orthodox wonder-working saints since the beginning.

You are not arguing that there weren't two different glossolalia phenomena occurring among the apostles.

 

[The Liturgist]

You are not arguing that there weren't two different glossolalia phenomena occurring among the apostles.

Not specifically, it seems to me entirely possible there was more than one phenomenon, but whatever it was I would expect it to be consistent with both the scriptural text and the lived experience of the Orthodox church for the past 2,000 years.* I merely presented a hypothesis for how those in the churches established by St. Paul, specifically Corinth, could have been using a real language actively spoken at the time.

* During that time the Roman Catholic Church has also had wonderworkers, but we Orthodox lack definite knowledge about that which happened after the Great Schism of 1054, however I will say from the accounts they provide, it sounds like their experience has been broadly similar to ours.

 

[JulieB67]

But the Corinthians were experiencing some kind of phenomenon, and Paul did not tell them to stop. In fact, he said he did it more than anyone else. But he instructed them to control it.

I'm just not seeing that in scripture. Tongues means languages. And I believe Paul spoke more than one language. And he himself stated we need to have understanding within our own prayers and in the church. So he certainly couldn't have been promoting someone speaking an unknown language to no one. He more or less stated that was pointless.

But I know people believe in this but I'm not seeing it biblically. I know the Pentecostal tongue went out in all languages. But I feel as if Paul is talking about people and different languages period and how they effect the church.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Exactly. It was known languages. I never understood how it became what it is today.

On Pentecost it was a known language but Paul wrote about the importance or having an interpreter present when someone was speaking in tongues which suggests that it might not have always been in a known language. Just for the record I’ve never spoken in tongues nor have I ever interpreted it, just making an observation.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Easy to understand, its because people wanted to fake them, because somebody taught them that tongues meant that the Holy Spirit has fallen on them, and they are now empowered in a way that they were not before.

Not only that but some extremists even go so far as to say that until someone actually speaks in tongues they haven’t received the Holy Spirit. They often use phrases like let go and let the words flow from your mouth which is just encouraging someone to speak jibberish. I’m not saying that speaking in tongues is fake, I’m just saying that I don’t think it’s a gift that we choose, I think it’s a gift that God chooses to bestow on someone.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I'm just not seeing that in scripture. Tongues means languages. And I believe Paul spoke more than one language. And he himself stated we need to have understanding within our own prayers and in the church. So he certainly couldn't have been promoting someone speaking an unknown language to no one. He more or less stated that was pointless.

But I know people believe in this but I'm not seeing it biblically. I know the Pentecostal tongue went out in all languages. But I feel as if Paul is talking about people and different languages period and how they effect the church.

He also told them not to speak in tongues unless there was someone there to interpret. So it’s really not clear whether the interpreter was interpreting a known language or an unknown language. It could be either one.

 

[JulieB67]

the interpreter was interpreting a known language or an unknown language. It could be either one.

Well, that's the thing. If an interpreter is interpreting period it would be a known language to them. It wouldn't be unknown to them personally.

I see the pentecostal tongue for what it was and that it was miraculous that they each heard it in their own language. But I just don't see this as you posted-

They often use phrases like let go and let the words flow from your mouth which is just encouraging someone to speak jibberish.

being biblical.

We are all given different gifts. And I think picking up different languages is one. But it's all to edify the body of Christ, the church, etc. So I don't believe in the "speaking in tongues" phenomenon as portrayed like you posted to be biblical. I mean no offense. I don't think that's Paul's point either.

 

[ARBITER01]

I see that pentecostal tongue differently when it comes to the end times and people giving their testimony. It will certainly be the Holy Spirit speaking though them in a language everyone would understand or else it would not be used for a witness unto all nations.

There are only two ways in scripture that the gift of tongues operates,...

- Personal prayer and personal edification.

- Corporate speaking by The Holy Spirit in the local assembly for corporate edification and inspiration.

That's it.

It is a very basic gift that requires the gift of interpretation to understand it.