Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

[The Liturgist]

The same way that code breakers do. Linguistics can teach them patterns and with enough of a sample they can begin to make sense of it. If the language is constantly shifting though it would only be meaningful to God.

Multiple cryptographers and linguists have studied glossolalia and have concluded that it has no meaningful semantic pattern. If the person who utters it doesn’t know what it means, and if there is no discernible structure to it, there is no possible way for an AI to decode it (if it lacked a discernible structure but the person who knew it did knw what it meant, it still couldn’t be decoded but could be vulnerable to what cryptanalysts call a “side-channel attack” which is for example possible in the case of One Time Pads which cannot be decoded if used correctly, unless you manage to capture the pad or make a copy of it, or unless the person using it uses it incorrectly (for example using the same pad more than once), which is why historically intelligence agents making use of them would store them on flash paper or other difficult-to-recover media.

 

[Richard T]

Multiple cryptographers and linguists have studied glossolalia and have concluded that it has no meaningful semantic pattern. If the person who utters it doesn’t know what it means, and if there is no discernible structure to it, there is no possible way for an AI to decode it (if it lacked a discernible structure but the person who knew it did knw what it meant, it still couldn’t be decoded but could be vulnerable to what cryptanalysts call a “side-channel attack” which is for example possible in the case of One Time Pads which cannot be decoded if used correctly, unless you manage to capture the pad or make a copy of it, or unless the person using it uses it incorrectly (for example using the same pad more than once), which is why historically intelligence agents making use of them would store them on flash paper or other difficult-to-recover media.

Yes, I have heard of those studies where linguists try to decode tongues. Perhaps, AI could be more sensitive to nuances is what I thought but likely you are right. I do wonder though if linguists ever capture those in research that have the most depth in their use of tongues. Specifically, I have heard and seen those that have a pretty good understanding of what is going on when they speak in tongues. For instance, the speaker may know if it is intercession, perhaps even deliverance. This may include a "release" when the burden has been "prayed through." In some cases the tongue talker, may even know the person and the Holy Spirit lets them know to some extent what is going on. Rarer cases have had strangers, even foreigners meet each other. The believer who was in trouble and the intercessor that filled in the gap for them and helped them avert a dangerous or tough situation through their prayer in tongues. Other notions include when tongues is used as praise. This is more joyful, may include singing in the spirit, and likely the words are more repetitious. In my observations not all tongue talkers are similar. Some too could possibly be doing it in the flesh? Anyway a fascinating topic and I appreciate you sharing what some of the limits are.

 

[The Liturgist]

I know a woman who spoke in tongues at a church, a decon or elder publicly told her she had a demon. She then over heard him privately say to another what she said which was "I am sending a fire amongst you"

The next week she went to church they had bought half a dozen new fire extinguishers.

Its also possible what was spoke was "i am setting a fire in your midst" or "i am setting a fire against you".

This church was the first in our town to have a lesbian pastor

I told the lady... Its not a physical fire. Where do you think that elder is going to spend eternity? -her innocent mind hadn't even thought of that...she was just deeply hurt by being lied to and never went back there again.

None of that would ever happen in a traditional Liturgical church

(whether an Eastern Orthodox, traditional Roman Catholic, Assyrian, traditional Lutheran (Evangelical Catholic LCMS/LCC etc, such as my dearly beloved brethren @Ain't Zwinglian and @MarkRohfrietsch) or high church continuing Anglican or traditional Anglican church).

This is because we do not agree with the Pentecostals and Charismatics on the definition of tongues and we do not ordain to any ministry nor consecrate as a nun anyone who is what I once amusingly heard referred to as an avowed practitioner of the Sapphic arts.*

* This tongue in cheek term I somewhat prefer, because the pious Greek Orthodox Christians from the actual Isle of Lesbos suffer from the lack of a usable demonym due to this immorality. Misandry (despising of men) might be another good term related to misogyny (despising of women) which was historically used to refer to those who conducted themselves after the men of Sodom.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

None of that would ever happen in a traditional Liturgical church

(whether an Eastern Orthodox, traditional Roman Catholic, Assyrian, traditional Lutheran (Evangelical Catholic LCMS/LCC etc, such as my dearly beloved brethren @Ain't Zwinglian and @MarkRohfrietsch) or high church continuing Anglican or traditional Anglican church).

This is because we do not agree with the Pentecostals and Charismatics on the definition of tongues and we do not ordain to any ministry nor consecrate as a nun anyone who is what I once amusingly heard referred to as an avowed practitioner of the Sapphic arts.*

* This tongue in cheek term I somewhat prefer, because the pious Greek Orthodox Christians from the actual Isle of Lesbos suffer from the lack of a usable demonym due to this immorality. Misandry (despising of men) might be another good term related to misogyny (despising of women) which was historically used to refer to those who conducted themselves after the men of Sodom.

Christian Forums just gets weirder by the month. LOL; Tongues, as defined by charismatics, are anti-scriptural.

If such did happen in one of our Churches, we do have a process, it is called Exorcism.

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

If such did happen in one of our Churches, we do have a process, it is called Exorcism.

Your comment gives LOL a new definition!

 

[RDKirk]

Yes, and still not understanding Paul's teachings that it was about edifying the church. And if someone was going to speak in a different language than make sure someone can interpret because it would only cause confusion.

And that he himself would rather speak fewer words that all could understand than many words in an unknown tongue (language)

I Corinthians 14:19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."

What this does tell us, though, is that two types of "tongues" were known to the early church, both "universal language" tongues and ecstatic utterance tongues.

Under the specific circumstance of an unexpected people group receiving the Holy Spirit, we see tongues evidenced. That includes the Samaritans and Cornelius. The Holy Spirit used tongues to demonstrate to the early Christians over their own prejudices that He was also for people beyond Jews. However, because we fully understand that now, tongues are not necessary for that purpose.

Nothing in scripture indicates that the Holy Spirit would never use either type of glossolalia again, or even that it should become extremely rare.

But Paul does caution misuse and overuse, and gives the requirement for translators as a hard instruction.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

Shawn Bolz, who was recently accused of fabricating prophecies in his ministry, recently shared that it appears OpenAI’s chatbot, ChatGPT, can translate speaking in tongues, also known as glossolalia.

In a recent discussion about God and technology shared on YouTube, Bolz highlighted what is being called the “ChatGPT Tongues Challenge,” which a number of Charismatic and Pentecostal Christians have been engaging in online.

“This week, one of my friends reached out to me who's also a journalist and a writer, and she said, ‘Have you done the ChatGPT tongues thing yet?’ And I said, ‘What are you talking about?’ She goes, ‘I spoke in my prayer language on ChatGPT and it actually interpreted some of my prayer language in different languages around the world,’” Bolz said.

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Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues Many Charismatic and Pentecostal Christians have been engaging in the ChatGPT Tongues Challenge to see if OpenAI s chatbot can translate speaking in tongues,

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If ChatGPT can't do that, then there's a programming problem with it, unless of course, the so-called "prayer language" isn't legit.

 

[The Liturgist]

Christian Forums just gets weirder by the month. LOL; Tongues, as defined by charismatics, are anti-scriptural.

If such did happen in one of our Churches, we do have a process, it is called Exorcism.

Indeed, I would say since the entire scenario of how the supposed demon was detected relates to glossolalia I just can’t imagine it happening.

If someone actually has a demon, the Gospels make it clear that it is not a subtle problem. And the first step in my church and I’m sure yours as well entails seeking to exclude the possibility of mental illness.

We also do a brief prayer of exorcism whenever anyone is baptized - the Roman Catholics call this a “minor exorcism.” I seem to recall discussing it with you once before, I can’t recall if your church does this or not. But the idea is to remove any demons that might be in there so as to avoid the stress of a major exorcism.

One thing I don’t like to see is failed exorcism. There was a documentary about Fr. Gabriel Amorth, and I liked his flippant attitude towards the demons, but there was one woman he kept repeatedly having to exorcise, and it seems to me in such cases one should call for backup or do something else, because exorcisms should be efficacious. Indeed our Lord warns us of the dangers of inadequate exorcisms making the situation worse.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What this does tell us, though, is that two types of "tongues" were known to the early church, both "universal language" tongues and ecstatic utterance tongues.

Under the specific circumstance of an unexpected people group receiving the Holy Spirit, we see tongues evidenced. That includes the Samaritans and Cornelius. The Holy Spirit used tongues to demonstrate to the early Christians over their own prejudices that He was also for people beyond Jews. However, because we fully understand that now, tongues are not necessary for that purpose.

Nothing in scripture indicates that the Holy Spirit would never use either type of glossolalia again, or even that it should become extremely rare.

But Paul does caution misuse and overuse, and gives the requirement for translators as a hard instruction.

I don't think there were two types of God given tongues, just one.

But the Corinthians sure thought there were two, and I think we know why. Poor Paul; he was in such a predicament with those folks.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Indeed, I would say since the entire scenario of how the supposed demon was detected relates to glossolalia I just can’t imagine it happening.

If someone actually has a demon, the Gospels make it clear that it is not a subtle problem. And the first step in my church and I’m sure yours as well entails seeking to exclude the possibility of mental illness.

We also do a brief prayer of exorcism whenever anyone is baptized - the Roman Catholics call this a “minor exorcism.” I seem to recall discussing it with you once before, I can’t recall if your church does this or not. But the idea is to remove any demons that might be in there so as to avoid the stress of a major exorcism.

One thing I don’t like to see is failed exorcism. There was a documentary about Fr. Gabriel Amorth, and I liked his flippant attitude towards the demons, but there was one woman he kept repeatedly having to exorcise, and it seems to me in such cases one should call for backup or do something else, because exorcisms should be efficacious. Indeed our Lord warns us of the dangers of inadequate exorcisms making the situation worse.

Yes, minor or lesser exorcism. And yes, one does need to discern between demonic possession/repression and mental illness. It can be very obvious at times.

 

[The Liturgist]

Yes, minor or lesser exorcism. And yes, one does need to discern between demonic possession/repression and mental illness. It can be very obvious at times.

Indeed. For example, a fear of holy objects that one is carrying which are not visibly displayed. Out of curiosity have you ever dealt with it? You’re so stout-hearted and indefatigable, I would say you have the perfect temperament to do war with the evil one.

Indeed it is truly meet your name is Mark, for like the Holy Evangelist and enlightener of Alexandria and all Egypt, you can be thought of like a lion and as a disciple of St. Peter the Apostle.

 

[ARBITER01]

I don't think there were two types of God given tongues, just one.

That is correct.

 

[JulieB67]

Nothing in scripture indicates that the Holy Spirit would

It was still "known" languages. That's the thing. Paul was trying to make a point that yes, God could understand them if they were by themselves but that's not edifying the church. We certainly don't need to edify God. The point was that everyone spoke and heard one another in their own language that day.

And I believe it will happen in the end times once again when certain people will have to give their testimony on a bigger stage. What better way to get through to all the nations when the word needs to go out.

 

[JulieB67]

How is AI supposed to be able to provide a translation of speech not made in a known language?

Exactly!

 

[RDKirk]

I don't think there were two types of God given tongues, just one.

But the Corinthians sure thought there were two, and I think we know why. Poor Paul; he was in such a predicament with those folks.

We will disagree on that.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

We will disagree on that.

That's fine. I have my reasons for my view, but I'm not a stickler on the issue of glossolalia and it's therefore not one I feel I have to contend over. There's more important issues to attend to these days---like what ChatGPT is being used for, on the whole.

 

[ARBITER01]

It was still "known" languages. That's the thing. Paul was trying to make a point that yes, God could understand them if they were by themselves but that's not edifying the church. We certainly don't need to edify God. The point was that everyone spoke and heard one another in their own language that day.

The gift of tongues originates from our spirit, not our mind.

And I believe it will happen in the end times once again when certain people will have to give their testimony on a bigger stage. What better way to get through to all the nations when the word needs to go out.

GOD uses preaching to promote the gospel.

 

[The Liturgist]

Other notions include when tongues is used as praise. This is more joyful, may include singing in the spirit, and likely the words are more repetitious.

I don’t understand why people can’t sing one of the very many beautiful hymns composed for Christian worship over the last 1,400-1,992 years, or for that matter, the Psalms and Evangelical Canticles.*

Singing incomprehensible non-verbal repetitive patterns when one has such a compelling heritage of Christian worship music in continuous use since time immemorial (in many cases we are not sure exactly how old these hymns are but have only an approximate idea or understanding of when they appeared) just seems wrong. Of course I say the same thing about the use of praise and worship music or Christian rock music, which just strikes me as entirely wrong.

*For example,the Trisagion, Ho Monogenes, Te Deum Laudamus (a favorite of my friend @MarkRohfrietsch ), Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent, Gloria in Excelsis Deo, Agnus Dei, Phos Hilarion, Haw Nurone (a Syriac Orthodox hymn that is perhaps my favorite due to its Eucharistic content), the Cherubic Hymn, It Is Truly Meet, and All of Creation are all hymns that are on average about 1500 years old (some newer, some older) and most of which exist in several (by which I mean hundreds) of settings), actually, technically one could argue Gloria in Excelsis Deo, Agnus Dei and the Sanctus could fall into the category of evangelical canticles insofar as their content is taken directly from the Gospel text, but the three definite evangelical canticles the Benedictus, Magnificat and the Nunc Dimitis )also known as the Song of Symeon). These together with the Psalms, particularly some Psalms such as Jubilate Deo and Psalms 94, 95, 96, 102, 103 and 106 and Psalms 147, 148, 149 and 150 are extremely heavily used in Christian worship, along with the Old Testament canticles (which include two songs of Moses (the one from Deuteronomy being highly penitential), the song of Habbakuk, Benedicite Omni Opera and a few others, for example the Songs of the Suffering Servent, which are Christological prophecies from Isaiah).

 

[ARBITER01]

I don’t understand why people can’t sing one of the very many beautiful hymns composed for Christian worship over the last 1,400-1,992 years, or for that matter, the Psalms and Evangelical Canticles.

Because GOD wants me to worship HIM in spirit and truth, and I'm not being very truthful to HIM if I try to worship HIM with songs that I don't like.

 

[JulieB67]

GOD uses preaching to promote the gospel.

Yes,- in languages that everyone can understand. If not, an interpreter is needed. That was Paul's entire point.