can catholics speak in tounges?

[eastcoast_bsc]

my question isnt really about speaking in tounges its about hearing word from God... ive been to more than one church that there they get revelations or a word from God within, and they make something out of it, and sometimes they even have something special to say to me....

i just dont know if the priests have ever had such a gift but some christian groups do have that gift...

I have known Catholic Priest who have a word from God. By this I man they have a word of Prophecy that is designed to build up the flock, whether it is an individual word or a corporate word meant for the entire church. So the answer is yes.

 

[S.ilvio]

So your trying to equate some sect with the Catholic Charismatic movement ?

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If the CCM engages in similar,questionable acts then yes, I am...

 

[S.ilvio]

Seven human bodies are sprawled on the floor. One lady has her feet in the air and is laughing hysterically. A man oinks like a pig. A woman barks like a terrior. “Goo-goo-ga-ga-dife, goo-goo-ga-ga-dife” bellows out one man. “Fire! Fire! Fresh anointing! Fresh anointing!” screams a red-faced man on a stage. People drop unexpectly to the floor, face up. A lady nonchalantly walks over a stretched-out body. In a background, a music with a slow, steady tribal beat pounds: “Oom-pa, oom-pa, oom-pa...”

Where are we, you are probably wondering? Inside the crazed imagination of a hippie on an LSD “trip”? Watching a spectacle at some strange circus act? An intruder at a pantomine party where a bit too much liquor has been served?

No, we have wandered into a session of a charismatic celebration, a movement that is becoming “popular” among many Catholics today. It presents, at first appearance, an absolutely absurd spectacle that one could hardly imagine a rational Catholic would fall for. Yet they are. It would seem the lumen rationis was extinguished in these otherwise intelligent persons who seem oblivious to the absolute lunacy of the antics in these farcical shows.


Read the whole article here... Close-Ups of the Charismatic Movement by John Vennari - Book review by Marian Horvat

It begs the question, are you Catholic or Charasmatic..?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

S.ilvio, that is not representative of what I have experienced. One of the cautions is to always do the prayer meeting for the building up of the Church and many come for healing. I have seen some fall from the Spirit but they have two people beside each person to catch anyone if they fall. It is nothing like the picture painted in the above post, which seems more like a combination of zoo animals and Willie Wonka.

 

[S.ilvio]

Who has told you they 'fall from the Spirit'..?

The Priest running the event? Or is it blind belief on your part..?

 

[S.ilvio]

I find it ironic that some who support this extreme Protestant based, questionable activity are the same ones who are ultra Conservative, have almost demonised me for my adherence to Liberation theology and have advised those who don't conform to their way of thinking to go someplace else other than OBOB.

Well I'll tell you something if OBOB becomes a haven for trickery and charletons, as witnessed by this false and dangerouss practice then I'll be the first out the door as it won't be a Catholic forum anymore...

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Who has told you they 'fall from the Spirit'..?

The Priest running the event? Or is it blind belief on your part..?

I would not call it blind belief. I understand some skepticism but I think you are protesting too strongly. This is simply an area of Christianity that some seek and for which the Pope and Church have approved. Being an approved movement that is overseen by our Shepherds should be enough. We do not need people conducting personal witch hunts. And, I think you are conducting a witch hunt because you seem to ignore the posts of those here that are involved with the CCR.

If we were to find another approved aspect of the Church that could fall under such a "witch hunt," I suspect we could look at Marian devotion. This is something the Church has approved of. Yet, we have some who are looking for those that worship Mary as some kind of diety. I think this a good analogy because I do not believe we have any significant abuse in any of these areas. And, I have never witnessed any personally. Most importantly, the Church has not sent anything stating we have a problem with either the Charismatic Movement or Marian Devotion. And, I am certain we can find other areas to create suspicion if you like. But why? If the Church has no concern then why set out with your torches and sheets looking for any where for possible abuse, ready to string up the first you even suspect? After all, you posts have led me to this as a poissible cause for your "concern."

Let the Shepherds be Shepherds and we will follow as Sheep.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I find it ironic that some who support this extreme Protestant based, questionable activity are the same ones who are ultra Conservative, have almost demonised me for my adherence to Liberation theology and have advised those who don't conform to their way of thinking to go someplace else other than OBOB.

Well I'll tell you something if OBOB becomes a haven for trickery and charletons, as witnessed by this false and dangerouss practice then I'll be the first out the door as it won't be a Catholic forum anymore...

Again, as Catholic we are obedient to the Pope and magisterium and all doctrines of the Church. the CCR movement is approved and so there is no issue here. If you have found yourself being asked to post at "the Lord's Table" for cafeteria Catholics than I suspect you have posted in a way to approve of some dissent with with doctrine(s) of the Church and/or the Pope and Magisterium whom we are to be obedient to. Please correct me on any of my posts if you believe I am in error.

 

[S.ilvio]

I would not call it blind belief. I understand some skepticism but I think you are protesting too strongly. This is simply an area of Christianity that some seek and for which the Pope and Church have approved. Being an approved movement that is overseen by our Shepherds should be enough. We do not need people conducting personal witch hunts. And, I think you are conducting a witch hunt because you seem to ignore the posts of those here that are involved with the CCR.

If we were to find another approved aspect of the Church that could fall under such a "witch hunt," I suspect we could look at Marian devotion. This is something the Church has approved of. Yet, we have some who are looking for those that worship Mary as some kind of diety. I think this a good analogy because I do not believe we have any significant abuse in any of these areas. And, I have never witnessed any personally. Most importantly, the Church has not sent anything stating we have a problem with either the Charismatic Movement or Marian Devotion. And, I am certain we can find other areas to create suspicion if you like. But why? If the Church has no concern then why set out with your torches and sheets looking for any where for possible abuse, ready to string up the first you even suspect? After all, you posts have led me to this as a poissible cause for your "concern."

Let the Shepherds be Shepherds and we will follow as Sheep.

Are you seriously trying to tell us the Pope Benedict puts Marian (mother of God) devotion on an equal footing with these gatherings. Is that what these 'shephards' tell you in your meetings..?

 

[S.ilvio]

Again, as Catholic we are obedient to the Pope and magisterium and all doctrines of the Church. the CCR movement is approved and so there is no issue here. If you have found yourself being asked to post at "the Lord's Table" for cafeteria Catholics than I suspect you have posted in a way to approve of some dissent with with doctrine(s) of the Church and/or the Pope and Magisterium whom we are to be obedient to. Please correct me on any of my posts if you believe I am in error.

Hold on a cotton picking minute. You have sad already here that you have the 'gift' of prophecy. Who, within the Vatican has confirmed this. Or indeed the 'gift' you claim your wife posesses?

If not the Vatican, your local Archbishop?

If not your Archbishop your Parish Priest?

If not your Parish Priest then who exactly..???

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Are you seriously trying to tell us the Pope Benedict puts Marian (mother of God) devotion on an equal footing with these gatherings. Is that what these 'shephards' tell you in your meetings..?

Nope, and that should be obvious. For me it is.

You seem to miss the point. Maybe you cannot see the forest for all the trees? Step back some and try being objective when you read it. It was not a comparison of value but an analogy of making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Hold on a cotton picking minute. You have sad already here that you have the 'gift' of prophecy. Who, within the Vatican has confirmed this fist. Or indeed the 'gift' you claim your wife posesses?

If not the Vatican, your local Archbishop?

If not your Archbishop your Parish Priest?

If not your Parish Priest then who exactly..???

What is your point?

Maybe you will tell us who should discern these things? Apparently, the Pope is not enough for you to be content when he writes what a good job the CCR is doing. So, maybe you could help the Pope by making your valuable opinions known to him?

 

[S.ilvio]

Nope, and that should be obvious. For me it is.

You seem to miss the point. Maybe you cannot see the forest for all the trees? Step back some and try being objective when you read it. It was not a comparison of value but an analogy of making a mountain out of a mole hill.

You made the analogy, not me.

I've dismissed it deservingly. You'll have to do better in your attempted justification...

 

[S.ilvio]

What is your point?

Maybe you will tell us who should discern these things? Apparently, the Pope is not enough for you to be content when he writes what a good job the CCR is doing. So, maybe you could help the Pope by making your valuable opinions known to him?

Nice attempted dodge.

But I'll ask again...:

Who, within the Vatican has confirmed this. Or indeed the 'gift' you claim your wife posesses?

If not the Vatican, your local Archbishop?

If not your Archbishop your Parish Priest?

If not your Parish Priest then who exactly..???

Or are you falsely making these claims...?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

S.ilvio, I have one Judge and it is not you. I will leave you to what ever agenda you have.

 

[Colin]

Pope Paul VI , Pope John Paul II , and Pope Benedict VI have spoken positively of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal and have encouraged it .

To speak of "Charismatics" is to be vague and open to all sorts of false notions .

Look up ICCRS , the International Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services , whose office is in Rome .

If you don't search in the right place you'll probably end up going down the wrong path .

As far as I am aware every diocese in England and Wales has its own representative for the Catholic Charismatic Renewal . The bishops here have no problems with it , though it may not be the path each would take on his faith pilgrimage . But it is regarded as being authentically and totally Catholic .

My own diocesan almanac ( Salford ) defines the Catholic Charismatic Renewal as a movement of spiritual renewal which encourages Catholics to deepen their relationship with Christ and to live their lives in the power of the Holy Spirit .

Note I always refer to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal . It's easy to look at the strange antics of some outlandish charismatic groups and try to tar the Catholic Charismatic Renewal with the same brush . Certainly even within the Catholic Charismatic Renewal there will misguided things . But tell me of any other area of the Church where this is not also the case . The Papacy has been abused , but we don't reject it we reform it . The way the Eucharistic has sometimes been celebrated has not and is not always reverential and praiseworthy , but we don't reject the Eucharist because of this , we put things right . Certain devotions to Mary have erred from true devotion , but we don't throw out Mary , rather we are spurred on to honour her rightly . And so on......

 

[S.ilvio]

S.ilvio, I have one Judge and it is not you. I will leave you to what ever agenda you have.

So there is no, I mean not one teeny bit of, verification of your claims of prophecy while attending these meetings.

I think that sums up how rightly sceptical every Catholic should be of these very questionable organisations, claiming to be Catholic...

 

[Azureknight 773]

Now hold it right there my brothers and sisters in Christ. I think that we should cool down for this time so as not to melt the thread if the spark has become a blaze.
*sets up the 氷 (ice) shield and engage!*

 

[S.ilvio]

Now hold it right there my brothers and sisters in Christ. I think that we should cool down for this time so as not to melt the thread if the spark has become a blaze.
*sets up the 氷 (ice) shield and engage!*

Thank you mate.

Rawson...: The CCR movement is strong in several parts of Ireland. However members I know do not make outlandish and more importantly unverified claims of Prophecy, Healing, speaking in tongues etc...

 

[thegospelisgoodnews]

S.ilvio, I have one Judge and it is not you. I will leave you to what ever agenda you have.

9 But as it is written:


“ Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”[a]
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy[b] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.