So do you also claim to be the mountains of Israel where scripture says Gog will Invade?
Where does this part fit, then? shall even go up from year to year. How can that even come to pass unless there are years remaining in order for them to go up from year to year, and that if they refuse, no rain? This can't even come to pass until after verses 2-3, 12, have come to pass first. Do you have an answer for that part? Do you have a period of time where verses 16-19 can fit?
Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Verses 17-19 are nonsensical if there is no time remaining for this part---shall even go up from year to year---once verse 16 begins coming to pass. Clearly---shall even go up from year to year----can't come to pass in a single day nor even a single year. Multiple years are required in order for these things to come to pass. Currently I'm convinced that verses 16-19 only make sense per Premil. But if it can make sense per Amil as well, what do you propose that makes it fit Amil better than it fits Premil, then?
In verse 18 it indicates there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. In verse 12 it also indicates there shall be a plague. Is the plague in verse 12 the same plague meant in versse 18? I would have to say no. The reason why, the reasons for the plagues are not the same. In verse 12 the reason for the plague is because they have been fighting against Jerusalem in verse 2. In verse 18 the reason for the plague is because they are refusing to go up from year to year after they are left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem in verse 2.
I was wondering where this fits in, at all. Apologies if this is off topic.
Isaiah 11:
11 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt, From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the islands of the sea.
12 He will set up a banner for the nations,
And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.
13 Also the envy of Ephraim shall depart,
And the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off;
Ephraim shall not envy Judah,
And Judah shall not harass Ephraim.
14 But they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines toward the west;
Together they shall plunder the people of the East;
They shall lay their hand on Edom and Moab;
And the people of Ammon shall obey them.
15 The Lord will utterly destroy the tongue of the Sea of Egypt;
With His mighty wind He will shake His fist over the River,
And strike it in the seven streams,
And make men crossover dry-shod.
16 There will be a highway for the remnant of His people
Who will be left from Assyria, As it was for Israel
In the day that he came up from the land of Egypt.
The mountain of the Lord is the kingdom of God, which includes the people of God. We are there now (Isaiah 2 & Malachi 4).
The burden of proof is with you to prove that this correlates with Revelation 20. So far, you are no premillennialist, has, or can show that.
No Ezekiel said Gog would Invade Israel and would die there. Not mountain of Israel. Ezekiel said mountains. Plural.
Ezekiel 39:4 On the mountains of Israel you will fall--you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to every kind of ravenous bird and wild beast.
Ezekiel 38:8 NIV: After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
That was a historic battle that is long gone. The mote of conflict, the weaponry and the spoils of war are ancient. They are long gone. John spiritualizes it in Revelation 20 to describe the last great battle against elect before Jesus comes.
The burden of proof is with you to prove that this correlates with Revelation 20. So far, you, and no premillennialist, has, or can show that.
Zechariah 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
Where does this part fit, then? ...
Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
At no time has Ethiopia, Libia, Persia and Gog all invaded israel and died there. You should stop lying and start learning from God.
Ezekiel 38:5 KJV: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
And for anyone interested why Egypt does not accompany them when they Invade Israel (a land recovered from war) is because Egypt is destroyed during the zech 14 war and never fully recovers.
I understand the point you are making, and I'll try to answer soon. But first of all, I would like you to consider the implications of your doctrine. 'Tabernacles' required the population of God's little country, Israel, to live in tents for seven days to celebrate their journey from Egypt to Canaan. It would have been a wonderful sight to behold.
But your literal interpretation of Zechariah is asking us to believe that the entire population of the world will gather in a single geographical location (Jerusalem) one thousand times, for 7 days each year. Now here are the things I'd like you to consider:
These are the practical implications. My next post will suggest a figurative explanation to the latter verses of Zechariah 14.
- Where near Jerusalem is a park large enough to accommodate the worlds population in tents?
- The furthest tribes were Dan and Naphtali and they arrived with some difficulty. Can we conceive how countries on the other side of the globe all arrive at Ben Gurion Airport every 10th day of Tishri?
- Food and water for 7 days? Think about it.
- Enough tents? Enough portaloos? (Im being serious)
Once again, you totally avoided all my points. Unfortunately, this is all-to common when engaging with Premils!
I understand the point you are making, and I'll try to answer soon. But first of all, I would like you to consider the implications of your doctrine. 'Tabernacles' required the population of God's little country, Israel, to live in tents for seven days to celebrate their journey from Egypt to Canaan. It would have been a wonderful sight to behold.
But your literal interpretation of Zechariah is asking us to believe that the entire population of the world will gather in a single geographical location (Jerusalem) one thousand times, for 7 days each year. Now here are the things I'd like you to consider:
These are the practical implications. My next post will suggest a figurative explanation to the latter verses of Zechariah 14.
- Where near Jerusalem is a park large enough to accommodate the worlds population in tents?
- The furthest tribes were Dan and Naphtali and they arrived with some difficulty. Can we conceive how countries on the other side of the globe all arrive at Ben Gurion Airport every 10th day of Tishri?
- Food and water for 7 days? Think about it.
- Enough tents? Enough portaloos? (Im being serious)
Your assumption of the entire population of the world dwelling in tents near jerusalem is incorrect.
The population that is to go up to Jerusalem is those who are left of the nation's which came against Jerusalem. That number could actually be few especially if those nations which come against Jerusalem are Islamic nations. Only those in Christ would would be left of those nations.The beast has ten horns representing ten kings. So it's not the world which comes against Jerusalem,. It is ten nations. After the beast has taken Jerusalem and then is slain his kingdom is given to the saints. If im not mistaken there are about ten nations in the promised land besides Israel.
Daniel 7:18 KJV: But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
... therefore verses 16-19 can't be meaning post the 2nd coming, then?
For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee----is what some did during the thousand years.
shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted---is what happens to them at the end of satan's little season after the thousand years.
Is the 1,000 years the kingdom of God? If so, according to Galatians 5:20-21, people who commit dissention can’t inherit it.
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