Can an infant at death ever be condemned?

[RileyG]

Catholics believe that when parents decide on their infants baptism, and have it done, that the baby receives Christ. Otherwise if he or she dies, the old teaching was they end up in Limbo. But the current beliefs are different, and assume automatic salvation of babies.

Limbo was never official doctrine of the Church.

 

[RileyG]

They are in the hands of God.

I accept infant Baptism.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Limbo was never official doctrine of the Church.

No, but some of us were taught that in the RCC in the 70s. Also I used to pray the Rosary for the aborted. The painting on the pamphlet was of Mother Mary with dirty fingernails and a fetus in her hand. 1991. Now the RCC teaches infants always obtain life. True?

 

[RileyG]

No, but some of us were taught that in the RCC in the 70s. Also I used to pray the Rosary for the aborted. The painting on the pamphlet was of Mother Mary with dirty fingernails and a fetus in her hand. 1991. Now the RCC teaches infants always obtain life. True?

Essentially, we commend them to the mercy of God.

 

[eleos1954]

Catholics believe that when parents decide on their infants baptism, and have it done, that the baby receives Christ. Otherwise if he or she dies, the old teaching was they end up in Limbo. But the current beliefs are different, and assume automatic salvation of babie

well that isn't what the bible teaches .... one must confess their sin and turn away from it .... a baby has no knowledge of what sin is. The "assumption" is by the Catholics, they believe of an "immortal soul" (therefore a "Limbo") ..... we are mortal ... we die an earthly death and are dormant in the grave until resurrection.

 

[RileyG]

well that isn't what the bible teaches .... one must confess their sin and turn away from it .... a baby has no knowledge of what sin is. The "assumption" is by the Catholics, they believe of an "immortal soul" (therefore a "Limbo") ..... we are mortal ... we die an earthly death and are dormant in the grave until resurrection.

Are you SDA? Most Christian do not accept soul sleep or soul mortality.

Blessings

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

well that isn't what the bible teaches .... one must confess their sin and turn away from it .... a baby has no knowledge of what sin is. The "assumption" is by the Catholics, they believe of an "immortal soul" (therefore a "Limbo") ..... we are mortal ... we die an earthly death and are dormant in the grave until resurrection.

There are Bible verses in which Jesus preaches to the antediluvian souls in Hell. He agrees more with the Pharisees than the Saducees on afterlife matters. YHWH is God of the living, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob... the two witnesses, the 24 elders, and Lazarus is portrayed with Abraham in paradise at the initial time the Gospel was pronounced. Now the gates of Heaven are open and there they are.

In NDEs, people have seen many infants being raised in Heaven.

 

[St_Worm2]

In NDEs, people have seen many infants being raised in Heaven.

Hello GoldenKingGaze, I've never heard that claim before. Interesting! Of course, I don't give NDE's much more credence (if any) than I would give to simple conjecture. We'll know when we get there (or as one of my friends used to say, "die and learn")

--David

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Hello GoldenKingGaze, I've never heard that claim before. Interesting! Of course, I don't give NDE's much more credence (if any) than I would give to simple conjecture. We'll know when we get there (or as one of my friends used to say, "die and learn")

--David

I'd say NDEs are testimonial. 1 in 20 people have had one. There are organizations that document them. They can be deceptive.

 

[Valletta]

No, but some of us were taught that in the RCC in the 70s. Also I used to pray the Rosary for the aborted. The painting on the pamphlet was of Mother Mary with dirty fingernails and a fetus in her hand. 1991. Now the RCC teaches infants always obtain life. True?

This is one of the problems when you have over a billion Catholics. That is why the Catholic Church uses a catechism. Theologians speculate as to things such as Limbo, and it is important to differentiate theological speculation from dogma. We don't know what happens to infants who die without Baptism, but we can trust in the mercy of God.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

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