Can Amil prove with Scripture that the beast is in the pit during the thousand years?

[DavidPT]

I think they were asking not to be put into the pit. How do they go from mind to mind any way? Only if people let them in. But they are roaming the earth and not in the pit. If these demons were in the pit, they could no longer roam the earth. Since these demons come from reprobate humans, they will keep appearing as long as there are reprobate humanity. Confining them to the pit makes their numbers on earth smaller, but it does not stop demonic activity. That will only stop after the end of Adam's flesh and blood. Just castings a demon leaves it on earth. Casting out and then confining that demon to the pit will prevent that demon from ever possessing another human. Self preservation was the reason they did not want to be put into the deep, ie the pit.

I pretty much agree with you here. The point I was trying to make though, it seems that one poster, an Amil in this case, was suggesting the planet earth itself is meaning the bottomless pit, and then you arguing against that idea. Then the verse I used tended to prove that it doesn't make sense to interpret the bottomless pit to be meaning the planet earth. For example, Texas. That's a place on the planet earth, yet the entire planet is not Texas. In the same way, the BP is a place on the earth, but in this case, inside of the earth, therefore the entire earth can't be meant by the BP.

In the example I used in regards to the demons, they feared going to some place they weren't at at the time, and not some place they already were. Where were they at at the time? On planet earth. Where were they not at at the time? In the abyss. Therefore, the earth and abyss has to be understood as two different things and not the same thing instead.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Will strick with no more wars, mo more sickness, diseases famines, like a paradise, restored Eden!

Paradise with evil and sin? Interesting.

No more famines? Didn't you say you believe Zechariah 14:16-21 relates to the thousand years? It talks about a punishment of no more rain for those who don't go up to Jerusalem to worship the King. No more rain would result in a famine. Doesn't seem "like a paradise, restored Eden" to me.

But the new earth does. When the new heavens and new earth are ushered in, that is when there will be no more evil, sin, wars, sickness, etc. Or, as John put it "there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Rev 21:4). And scripture indicates that will occur at the return of Christ (Matt 24:35-39, 2 Peter 3:3-13, etc.).

 

[Earburner]

I pretty much agree with you here. The point I was trying to make though, it seems that one poster, an Amil in this case, was suggesting the planet earth itself is meaning the bottomless pit, and then you arguing against that idea. Then the verse I used tended to prove that it doesn't make sense to interpret the bottomless pit to be meaning the planet earth. For example, Texas. That's a place on the planet earth, yet the entire planet is not Texas. In the same way, the BP is a place on the earth, but in this case, inside of the earth, therefore the entire earth can't be meant by the BP.

In the example I used in regards to the demons, they feared going to some place they weren't at at the time, and not some place they already were. Where were they at at the time? On planet earth. Where were they not at at the time? In the abyss. Therefore, the earth and abyss has to be understood as two different things and not the same thing instead.

Right now, because of the sacrifice of Christ, satan is bound from entering back into Heaven, or into anyone who has been Born Again by the Holy Spirit of God. Therefore, he no longer has access to the presence of God, nor is he able to discern the light of God, which is God's truth. By that situation for him, he truly is bound on this earth, and in the chains of darkness.

 

[Earburner]

To somewhat add to what you two have been discussing involving some of this, assuming the earth itself is meaning the bottomless pit rather than the bottomless pit is meaning a place somewhere inside of the earth, thus the BP is not meaning the planet itself, how does one interpret the following if the BP is meaning the planet itself?

Luke 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.


If the deep(abyss) is meaning the planet earth, a place they were already at to begin with, should one then understand this verse to mean the following and then see this making sense of the text---And they besought him that he would not command them to go onto the planet earth?

 

[Earburner]

And the biblical meaning of the word "pit" is "a grave". Do you deny that?

 

[Timtofly]

When the angel Lucifer, aka satan, was cast out of Heaven and on to the earth, the only thing he lost was his angelic position/place in Heaven, as the "covering Cherub angel". By him losing his placement, among the order of the angels, he was then put outside the will of God for all the angels.

However, when Jesus first appeared on the earth, and completed His Father's work, as "The Lamb of God", satan now no longer has the permission or the means, by which he can approach God at all.
His fate is now sealed for total destruction, and he shall never escape from the place of his "endless grave", which is this present earth, and all the things that are in it.
2Pet.3[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Rev. 20[14] And death and hell [the graves] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Romans 8:9.

Satan still accuses the brethren before the throne in heaven, day and night. That started at the Cross. How was Satan accusing those in the OT day and night?

 

[Earburner]

Satan still accuses the brethren before the throne in heaven, day and night. That started at the Cross. How was Satan accusing those in the OT day and night?

Revelation 12 gives the entire scope of satan's activities from the birth of Jesus, upto we today, who are the remnant of her seed, Israel of faith, aka "The Israel of God".

Rev.12[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation [not redemption], and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren [OT- Israel of faith] is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

See Job 1[6] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
[7] And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

 

[Timtofly]

Revelation 12 gives the entire scope of satan's activities from the birth of Jesus, upto we today, who are the remnant of her seed, Israel of faith, aka "The Israel of God".

Rev.12[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation [not redemption], and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren [OT- Israel of faith] is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

See Job 1[6] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
[7] And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

That is what I said. From the Cross until the Second Coming, Satan is the accuser of the brethren night and day. Not until the 7th Trumpet does that stop. The 7th Trumpet is when Satan is cast out for the final time.

 

[Earburner]

That is what I said. From the Cross until the Second Coming, Satan is the accuser of the brethren night and day. Not until the 7th Trumpet does that stop. The 7th Trumpet is when Satan is cast out for the final time

John 12[27] Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
[28] Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
[29] The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
[30] Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.

[31] Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
[That judgment is John 3:18].
For every person who comes to God, through faith in Jesus, and are Born Again by the Holy Spirit of God, satan is being "cast out".

[32] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
[33] This he said, signifying what death he should die.

 

[Timtofly]

John 12[27] Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
[28] Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
[29] The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
[30] Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.

[31] Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
[That judgment is John 3:18].
For every person who comes to God, through faith in Jesus, and are Born Again by the Holy Spirit of God, satan is being "cast out".

[32] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
[33] This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Are you saying that Revelation is wrong? You have no point of reference or context here. Jesus was about to be cut off. That is all you have, really.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Satan still accuses the brethren before the throne in heaven, day and night. That started at the Cross. How was Satan accusing those in the OT day and night?

In John 12:31-33 Christ predicted, shortly before He defeated the power of Satan at the cross, “now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die” (John 12:31-33).

Here was the time of his casting down - after the cross. Here was the time of the unblinding of the nations (the Gentiles). Here Christ gloriously dethroned Satan from his previous, largely unchallenged, global earthly rule and his place of accusation in heaven. Satan’s movement, liberties and sway on earth and in heaven received a severe blow.

Revelation 12:5-11 places the defeat of Satan at the resurrection/ascension: "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

Previous to Satan's eviction, God was Israel's God, not the Gentiles God. Satan ruled the nations. But through this casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over. It was indeed finished! The powerful spread of the Gospel to the Gentiles lifting the deception that kept them bound. Satan was now bound. The boot was on the other foot. With the global expanse of the great commission the Gentiles now are without excuse. The ignorance is gone. The veil is lifted. The means by which God lifts deception is the preaching of the Word of God. This has now been successfully ongoing throughout the nations for 2000 years.

Satan's defeat came through His sinless life, His atoning death and His glorious resurrection. Here is when He got His eviction notice, and here is "when" salvation came to the "whole world" - not just one nation Israel. The deception enveloping the Gentiles was lifted - praise God. They are now without excuse, just like those in the OT that rejected salvation. Salvation has now come to the nations. But Satan had to first be cast down. He had to be defeated. Christ’s life, death and resurrection safely secured that. As a result the Church becomes a militant overcoming organism.

He is talking about sin being judged on the cross, and the immediate result it had upon Satan - he was evicted from heaven. He lost all grounds to condemn the elect anymore. Sin had been paid for in full, and hell had been defeated for all who would take a hold of the cross-work. The accuser has nothing to accuse the elect for as sin - past, present and future - has been fully penalized. Another result was Hades (Abraham's bosom) being emptied of the elect. That happened for the same reason. Hell (and the second death) had been defeated for God's people.

One of the main effects of Satan being evicted from heaven and being spiritual bound was that the nations would be enlightened. But another immediate effect was that dead believers were released from the captivity of Abraham’s bosom and ushered into the heavenly abode.

As He rose they rose. After all, He was defeating the grave on their behalf.

Ephesians 4:8 says, “When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive.”

Hades had no more hold upon the Old Testament redeemed because the penalty had been paid for sin, and therefore death, Hades and Satan were stripped of their ugly power over them.

David Wilkerson said: “Jesus plundered the devil at Calvary, stripping him of all power and authority. When Christ rose victorious from the grave, he led an innumerable host of redeemed captives out of Satan's grasp. And that blood-bought procession is still marching on.”

Since the cross, Christians never go to Hades. The following Scriptures tell us that death has been defeated. It has no hold over the believer. Jesus has defeated it. That is why the redeemed (dead or alive) rule and reign and function as priests and kings.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Will you be mortal or immortal?

During that period of time, the saved will have been raised and glorified at time of Second Coming, with the living going on into the Kingdom Age under Christ

 

[DavidPT]

Right now, because of the sacrifice of Christ, satan is bound from entering back into Heaven, or into anyone who has been Born Again by the Holy Spirit of God. Therefore, he no longer has access to the presence of God, nor is he able to discern the light of God, which is God's truth. By that situation for him, he truly is bound on this earth, and in the chains of darkness.

Using this logic, that should mean if the reason he is bound is to prevent him from entering back into heaven, it should mean when he is loosed he can once again enter back into heaven because being bound is what prevented that and loose is the opposite of bound. Premil doesn't have possible absurdities like this when satan is bound then loosed. While he is bound he can't do anything he can do when he is loosed. When he is bound it is as if he doesn't even exist at the time. The same way, while the locusts are in the pit, it's as if they don't even exist at the time, IOW, zero activity by them happening outside of the pit.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

There is no way any of this can be meaning before the war in heaven, because satan obviously wouldn't be in the pit while he still had access to heaven. What happens because of the war in heaven? The devil and his angels are kicked out and are cast unto the earth. The fact an angel comes down from heaven is because that is where satan has been cast to. That means the binding takes place on earth. It is on the earth where the angel lays hold of the dragon, and then binds him a thousand years. The question is, though we already know that this is meaning after the war in heaven and that he is then cast to the earth, is verse 2 meaning 2000 years ago or is it still future? Obviously, that is debatable.

 

[Timtofly]

In John 12:31-33 Christ predicted, shortly before He defeated the power of Satan at the cross, “now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die” (John 12:31-33).

Here was the time of his casting down - after the cross. Here was the time of the unblinding of the nations (the Gentiles). Here Christ gloriously dethroned Satan from his previous, largely unchallenged, global earthly rule and his place of accusation in heaven. Satan’s movement, liberties and sway on earth and in heaven received a severe blow.

Revelation 12:5-11 places the defeat of Satan at the resurrection/ascension: "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

Previous to Satan's eviction, God was Israel's God, not the Gentiles God. Satan ruled the nations. But through this casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over. It was indeed finished! The powerful spread of the Gospel to the Gentiles lifting the deception that kept them bound. Satan was now bound. The boot was on the other foot. With the global expanse of the great commission the Gentiles now are without excuse. The ignorance is gone. The veil is lifted. The means by which God lifts deception is the preaching of the Word of God. This has now been successfully ongoing throughout the nations for 2000 years.

Satan's defeat came through His sinless life, His atoning death and His glorious resurrection. Here is when He got His eviction notice, and here is "when" salvation came to the "whole world" - not just one nation Israel. The deception enveloping the Gentiles was lifted - praise God. They are now without excuse, just like those in the OT that rejected salvation. Salvation has now come to the nations. But Satan had to first be cast down. He had to be defeated. Christ’s life, death and resurrection safely secured that. As a result the Church becomes a militant overcoming organism.

He is talking about sin being judged on the cross, and the immediate result it had upon Satan - he was evicted from heaven. He lost all grounds to condemn the elect anymore. Sin had been paid for in full, and hell had been defeated for all who would take a hold of the cross-work. The accuser has nothing to accuse the elect for as sin - past, present and future - has been fully penalized. Another result was Hades (Abraham's bosom) being emptied of the elect. That happened for the same reason. Hell (and the second death) had been defeated for God's people.

One of the main effects of Satan being evicted from heaven and being spiritual bound was that the nations would be enlightened. But another immediate effect was that dead believers were released from the captivity of Abraham’s bosom and ushered into the heavenly abode.

As He rose they rose. After all, He was defeating the grave on their behalf.

Ephesians 4:8 says, “When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive.”

Hades had no more hold upon the Old Testament redeemed because the penalty had been paid for sin, and therefore death, Hades and Satan were stripped of their ugly power over them.

David Wilkerson said: “Jesus plundered the devil at Calvary, stripping him of all power and authority. When Christ rose victorious from the grave, he led an innumerable host of redeemed captives out of Satan's grasp. And that blood-bought procession is still marching on.”

Since the cross, Christians never go to Hades. The following Scriptures tell us that death has been defeated. It has no hold over the believer. Jesus has defeated it. That is why the redeemed (dead or alive) rule and reign and function as priests and kings.

Jesus was also cast out as Prince and crucified on a Cross. You reject a clear 1,000 explicit year reign in Revelation 20. Then you take a verse out of context and make it say what you want it to say. Now who is taking a less specific verse and defining a clearly stated chapter? Satan is not mentioned by name once in John 12. So when a Premil claims Revelation 20 is about Christ the Prince on earth, you refute that because the words are just not there. Well that same judgment you give on Revelation 20, applies to you about John 12. You are even jumping to more conclusions about John 12 than premil point out about Revelation 20.

As for the part about the angels cast out of heaven, when were they loosed from the pit during Jesus' earthly ministry? When did the 5th Trumpet sound prior to the Cross? Was the Cross then the sounding of the 7th Trumpet? Are you slipping into preterism? Revelation 11, 12, 13 all pertain to the 7th Trumpet. So the point about Michael and Satan is the point chapter 12 catches up to the 7th Trumpet being sounded. Yet you place this battle at the Cross. What verse in Revelation 12 places the scene at the Cross? You pick and choose verses from Revelation 12 to support Amil. You do not even lay out a chronological order to Revelation 12. I doubt any one can. It is not about a chronological order. It is about an historical perspective.

But we see Satan dragging a third of the stars from heaven, after Christ was born. Then we see them also cast out of heaven, after Christ was already in heaven. We are not even told when they were bound or why they left heaven twice and no mention of them even returning once.

Do you not accept that a third of the angels rebelled in Adam's day? How then did John see it after Christ was born? You claim Revelation 12 clearly defines Satan cast out at the Cross. Yet according to the chapter, Satan did not even rebel nor the angels until after Christ was born in the first century. If one went with Revelation 12, the angels rebeled, and were bound in the pit, in the first century, and will be released at the 5th Trumpet. And only then will Michael have to cast them out again. Satan only became prince of the world after the Cross until now. He has only been accusing the brethren between the Cross and now. At the 7th Trumpet is when Satan is wroth with only days left.

Unless of course you have a different chronological order than John does himself in Revelation 12.

 

[Earburner]

Are you saying that Revelation is wrong? You have no point of reference or context here. Jesus was about to be cut off. That is all you have, really.

Revelation is correct! It's your interpretation that needs adjusting.
God the Father gave to God the Son the things that we all need to know in every generation, not just in the generation just before the Lord's fiery return.
God knew that His Son's return was not going to be immediately after Jesus physically ascended.
Mark.13[34] For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
But He did know that He was going to impart His Holy Spirit to all His Born Again people, beginning on the day of Pentecost, which enables us to "have part" in the First resurrection, who is Christ, the Firstborn from the dead. See Romans 8:8-9

Revelation is a prophetic book of symbolic language and metaphors.
Because God is speaking to us from His Eternity, He has all knowledge of the Past, Present and Future, all at the same time. Some of it is what is happening in Heaven, as well as the foretold events on earth, that are waiting for manifestation.

For us to read it literally and chronologically, is a grave mistake.
Unless the Holy Spirit reveals the truth of Revelation to us, it cannot be know by human effort or religious persuasion, but rather ONLY by His Spirit.
Zechariah 4:6

 

[sovereigngrace]

Using this logic, that should mean if the reason he is bound is to prevent him from entering back into heaven, it should mean when he is loosed he can once again enter back into heaven because being bound is what prevented that and loose is the opposite of bound. Premil doesn't have possible absurdities like this when satan is bound then loosed. While he is bound he can't do anything he can do when he is loosed. When he is bound it is as if he doesn't even exist at the time. The same way, while the locusts are in the pit, it's as if they don't even exist at the time, IOW, zero activity by them happening outside of the pit.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

There is no way any of this can be meaning before the war in heaven, because satan obviously wouldn't be in the pit while he still had access to heaven. What happens because of the war in heaven? The devil and his angels are kicked out and are cast unto the earth. The fact an angel comes down from heaven is because that is where satan has been cast to. That means the binding takes place on earth. It is on the earth where the angel lays hold of the dragon, and then binds him a thousand years. The question is, though we already know that this is meaning after the war in heaven and that he is then cast to the earth, is verse 2 meaning 2000 years ago or is it still future? Obviously, that is debatable.

You are misrepresenting Amil again. Where did he say that the binding of Satan was necessary for him being unable to access heaven?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Using this logic, that should mean if the reason he is bound is to prevent him from entering back into heaven, it should mean when he is loosed he can once again enter back into heaven because being bound is what prevented that and loose is the opposite of bound. Premil doesn't have possible absurdities like this when satan is bound then loosed.

Neither does Amil. You're talking about the possible belief of one Amil here, so that represents all Amils somehow?

You're assuming that he believes the loosing of Satan includes him being able to access heaven again. Why don't you ask him if that's what he believes first before drawing that conclusion? And, even if he did believe that, he's only one Amil. Clearly, the idea of Satan being able to access heaven again is not something that you've ever seen any Amil claim before, so why act is if this particular belief is typical of Amil when you know it isn't?

While he is bound he can't do anything he can do when he is loosed. When he is bound it is as if he doesn't even exist at the time.

The text doesn't say this. This is your assumption based on thinking that the figurative description of a dragon being bound with a chain is supposed to be understood literally. But, tell me where it says Satan's binding prevents him from persecuting believers. It doesn't. Only a literal interpretation of symbolic text can lead to that conclusion.

The same way, while the locusts are in the pit, it's as if they don't even exist at the time, IOW, zero activity by them happening outside of the pit.

I don't understand why you would say this. The locusts represent the demons. Satan's angels, in other words. You believe the locusts have been in the pit a long time already and are still there now, right? Do you think demons have been completely inactive for a long time and are still inactive now?

Or do you believe that Revelation 9 is not referring to all demons being bound? If so, why would only some of them be bound and not the rest?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

During that period of time, the saved will have been raised and glorified at time of Second Coming, with the living going on into the Kingdom Age under Christ

The "Kingdom Age"? Where is that taught in scripture? Does your understanding of "the age to come" match what Jesus described here:

Luke 20:34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.

In the age to come, which will begin when Christ returns at the end of this age and resurrects the dead, believers will no longer get married or die. We will all be changed and have immortal bodies at that point (1 Cor 15:50-56). Who does that leave to populate the "Kingdom Age", keeping in mind that all unbelievers will be destroyed when Christ returns (Matt 24:35-39, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:3-13, Rev 19:17-18)?

 

[YeshuaFan]

The "Kingdom Age"? Where is that taught in scripture? Does your understanding of "the age to come" match what Jesus described here:

Luke 20:34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.

In the age to come, which will begin when Christ returns at the end of this age and resurrects the dead, believers will no longer get married or die. We will all be changed and have immortal bodies at that point (1 Cor 15:50-56). Who does that leave to populate the "Kingdom Age", keeping in mind that all unbelievers will be destroyed when Christ returns (Matt 24:35-39, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:3-13, Rev 19:17-18)?

No, as there will be many Satan corrupts in following him right before the eternal state!

 

[DavidPT]

Neither does Amil. You're talking about the possible belief of one Amil here, so that represents all Amils somehow?

You're assuming that he believes the loosing of Satan includes him being able to access heaven again. Why don't you ask him if that's what he believes first before drawing that conclusion? And, even if he did believe that, he's only one Amil. Clearly, the idea of Satan being able to access heaven again is not something that you've ever seen any Amil claim before, so why act is if this particular belief is typical of Amil when you know it isn't?

You are way off here on a number of things. The only thing you are correct about is that this involved the possible belief of one Amil here. Therefore, you are wrong to have that meaning that I was meaning that his view represents all Amils.

I'm not assuming he believes the loosing of Satan includes him being able to access heaven again. Nobody would hold a position like that, that's ludicrous. I'm not saying anyone holds a position like that. I was simply coming to the logical conclusion, if it is true that Christ's sacrifice bound satan from entering back into heaven, then the fact that nowhere does the NT ever say that satan is bound until he is cast into the LOF, this should logically mean that when he is loosed nothing is preventing him from re entering heaven if it was his binding that was preventing that from happening. Therefore, I was demonstrating that this can lead to an absurdity if true, because when he is loosed he is no longer bound, therefore whatever this binding allegedly prevents him from doing, it is no longer applicable when he is loosed.

Can Amils produce Scripture that indicates satan is bound until he is cast into the LOF, and that not contradict that he is bound for a thousand years then loosed for a little season? The way I'm reasoning these things is via his binding is not permanent, it is only until the thousand years expires. But, if what Christ accomplished on the cross bound satan, how does it continue to bind him when he is loosed?