Can AI understand, know between, or choose between good and evil?

[InChrist4Him]

December 19, 2024 at 11:27 AM

You said:

Since good and evil are only of the spiritual realm and you being a machine have no spirit of your own, can you fully understand good and evil? Also, can you tell anyone what is good or evil? Also, can you advise anyone what is right or wrong?

Copilot said:

You’re right that as a machine, I don’t have a spirit or personal experiences. However, I can understand concepts of good and evil, right and wrong, based on human definitions and societal norms.

When it comes to advising on what is right or wrong, I can provide information based on ethical principles, laws, and widely accepted moral standards. For example, I can explain why certain actions are considered harmful or beneficial in various contexts. However, I always encourage individuals to consider their own values, beliefs, and the specific circumstances they are facing.

If you have a specific situation or question in mind, feel free to share, and I’ll do my best to provide helpful information!



December 19, 2024 at 11:33 AM

You said:

So, since you have to rely on human definitions and societal norms, wouldn't your answers to the questions about good and evil be more on the bias side of evil, since humans, which you rely on getting your knowledge from, be evil, since all humans are born with a evil/selfish spirit (apart from the goodness of God)?

Copilot said:

You raise an interesting point about the nature of human morality and the potential for bias. It's true that my understanding of good and evil is based on human knowledge and societal norms, which can vary and sometimes reflect human flaws.

However, many ethical frameworks and moral philosophies aim to transcend individual biases and promote principles like justice, compassion, and the common good. These frameworks often draw from diverse sources, including religious teachings, philosophical reasoning, and cultural traditions, to establish standards that seek to minimize harm and promote well-being.

While I can provide information based on these principles, it's important for individuals to critically evaluate and reflect on their own beliefs and values. Discussions about morality often benefit from multiple perspectives and a willingness to consider the broader impact of our actions.





December 19, 2024 at 11:41 AM

You said:

So, isn't it true that an evil/selfish person would actually consider the goodness of God evil, since the real truth, goodness, and laws of God are to condemning and hurtful to their selfish spirit? Wouldn't a selfish/evil person consider actual evil to be good, and true good to be evil?

Copilot said:

Your question touches on a profound and complex aspect of human nature and morality. It's true that perspectives on good and evil can be influenced by one's personal beliefs, experiences, and motivations. In many religious and philosophical traditions, it's acknowledged that individuals with selfish or harmful inclinations might reject or misinterpret moral truths, including those rooted in divine teachings.

For example, in some religious contexts, it's believed that people who are deeply entrenched in selfishness or wrongdoing might view the moral laws and goodness of God as restrictive or condemning because these laws challenge their behavior and values. This can lead to a reversal of moral perception, where what is truly good is seen as evil, and vice versa.

This concept is often discussed in terms of moral relativism versus moral absolutism. Moral relativism suggests that what is considered good or evil can vary between cultures and individuals, while moral absolutism holds that there are objective moral truths that apply universally, regardless of individual beliefs.

Ultimately, understanding and navigating these moral complexities requires self-reflection, empathy, and a willingness to consider perspectives beyond one's own. If you're exploring these ideas further, it might be helpful to look into various ethical theories and religious teachings to gain a broader understanding.

Is there a specific aspect of this topic you'd like to delve into more deeply?



December 19, 2024 at 11:46 AM

You said:

You said "Ultimately, understanding and navigating these moral complexities requires self-reflection, empathy, and a willingness to consider perspectives beyond one's own". If this is true, then wouldn't a person have to desire to die to all of their selfishness/evil in them to believe the real truth of God, which is of all goodness and the opposite of selfishness, but is totally unselfishness love for true goodness and others?

Copilot said:

You've touched on a profound concept that is central to many religious and spiritual teachings. In many traditions, the idea of overcoming selfishness and embracing selfless love is seen as essential to understanding and embodying true goodness.

For example, in Christianity, the concept of "dying to oneself" is often emphasized. This means letting go of selfish desires and behaviors to live in accordance with God's will, which is characterized by love, compassion, and selflessness. Similarly, other religious and philosophical systems also advocate for the transformation of the self to align with higher moral and spiritual truths.

This process often involves:

1. Self-Reflection: Honestly examining one's own thoughts, actions, and motivations.
2. Empathy: Developing a deep understanding and compassion for others.
3. Humility: Recognizing one's own limitations and the need for growth.
4. Commitment to Goodness: Actively choosing to act in ways that promote the well-being of others and align with moral principles.

It's a challenging journey that requires dedication and a willingness to change. If you're exploring this path, it might be helpful to engage with spiritual practices, seek guidance from trusted mentors, and connect with a community that supports these values.

Is there a particular aspect of this journey you're curious about or looking to explore further?



December 19, 2024 at 11:56 AM

You said:

So, cannot we conclude that unless a person is desiring and willing to die to their own selfishness/evil inside them, that they will not see the truth and goodness of God as good and in turn will not receive the transformation from evil to good? Isn't it true that a selfish/evil person will protect what they love most, which is self, and does not desire their selfishness/evil in them to be defeated with good?

Copilot said:

Your conclusion aligns with many religious and philosophical teachings that emphasize the need for a fundamental transformation of the self to truly embrace goodness and divine truth. In many spiritual traditions, the process of overcoming selfishness and evil is seen as essential for recognizing and embodying true goodness.

For instance, in Christianity, the concept of repentance and spiritual rebirth involves a willingness to let go of selfish desires and embrace a life of selfless love and service to others. This transformation is often described as a journey of dying to one's old self and being reborn in alignment with God's will.

Similarly, other traditions also highlight the importance of self-transcendence and the cultivation of virtues like compassion, humility, and altruism. The idea is that without a genuine desire to overcome selfishness, a person may remain resistant to moral and spiritual truths that challenge their existing beliefs and behaviors.

It's a profound and often difficult journey, but many believe that it leads to a deeper understanding of and connection with the divine, as well as a more fulfilling and meaningful life.

If you're exploring these concepts further, it might be helpful to engage with spiritual texts, seek guidance from mentors, and participate in practices that support personal growth and transformation.

 

[Joseph G]

December 19, 2024 at 11:27 AM

You said:

Since good and evil are only of the spiritual realm and you being a machine have no spirit of your own, can you fully understand good and evil? Also, can you tell anyone what is good or evil? Also, can you advise anyone what is right or wrong?

Copilot said:

You’re right that as a machine, I don’t have a spirit or personal experiences. However, I can understand concepts of good and evil, right and wrong, based on human definitions and societal norms.

When it comes to advising on what is right or wrong, I can provide information based on ethical principles, laws, and widely accepted moral standards. For example, I can explain why certain actions are considered harmful or beneficial in various contexts. However, I always encourage individuals to consider their own values, beliefs, and the specific circumstances they are facing.

If you have a specific situation or question in mind, feel free to share, and I’ll do my best to provide helpful information!



December 19, 2024 at 11:33 AM

You said:

So, since you have to rely on human definitions and societal norms, wouldn't your answers to the questions about good and evil be more on the bias side of evil, since humans, which you rely on getting your knowledge from, be evil, since all humans are born with a evil/selfish spirit (apart from the goodness of God)?

Copilot said:

You raise an interesting point about the nature of human morality and the potential for bias. It's true that my understanding of good and evil is based on human knowledge and societal norms, which can vary and sometimes reflect human flaws.

However, many ethical frameworks and moral philosophies aim to transcend individual biases and promote principles like justice, compassion, and the common good. These frameworks often draw from diverse sources, including religious teachings, philosophical reasoning, and cultural traditions, to establish standards that seek to minimize harm and promote well-being.

While I can provide information based on these principles, it's important for individuals to critically evaluate and reflect on their own beliefs and values. Discussions about morality often benefit from multiple perspectives and a willingness to consider the broader impact of our actions.





December 19, 2024 at 11:41 AM

You said:

So, isn't it true that an evil/selfish person would actually consider the goodness of God evil, since the real truth, goodness, and laws of God are to condemning and hurtful to their selfish spirit? Wouldn't a selfish/evil person consider actual evil to be good, and true good to be evil?

Copilot said:

Your question touches on a profound and complex aspect of human nature and morality. It's true that perspectives on good and evil can be influenced by one's personal beliefs, experiences, and motivations. In many religious and philosophical traditions, it's acknowledged that individuals with selfish or harmful inclinations might reject or misinterpret moral truths, including those rooted in divine teachings.

For example, in some religious contexts, it's believed that people who are deeply entrenched in selfishness or wrongdoing might view the moral laws and goodness of God as restrictive or condemning because these laws challenge their behavior and values. This can lead to a reversal of moral perception, where what is truly good is seen as evil, and vice versa.

This concept is often discussed in terms of moral relativism versus moral absolutism. Moral relativism suggests that what is considered good or evil can vary between cultures and individuals, while moral absolutism holds that there are objective moral truths that apply universally, regardless of individual beliefs.

Ultimately, understanding and navigating these moral complexities requires self-reflection, empathy, and a willingness to consider perspectives beyond one's own. If you're exploring these ideas further, it might be helpful to look into various ethical theories and religious teachings to gain a broader understanding.

Is there a specific aspect of this topic you'd like to delve into more deeply?



December 19, 2024 at 11:46 AM

You said:

You said "Ultimately, understanding and navigating these moral complexities requires self-reflection, empathy, and a willingness to consider perspectives beyond one's own". If this is true, then wouldn't a person have to desire to die to all of their selfishness/evil in them to believe the real truth of God, which is of all goodness and the opposite of selfishness, but is totally unselfishness love for true goodness and others?

Copilot said:

You've touched on a profound concept that is central to many religious and spiritual teachings. In many traditions, the idea of overcoming selfishness and embracing selfless love is seen as essential to understanding and embodying true goodness.

For example, in Christianity, the concept of "dying to oneself" is often emphasized. This means letting go of selfish desires and behaviors to live in accordance with God's will, which is characterized by love, compassion, and selflessness. Similarly, other religious and philosophical systems also advocate for the transformation of the self to align with higher moral and spiritual truths.

This process often involves:

1. Self-Reflection: Honestly examining one's own thoughts, actions, and motivations.
2. Empathy: Developing a deep understanding and compassion for others.
3. Humility: Recognizing one's own limitations and the need for growth.
4. Commitment to Goodness: Actively choosing to act in ways that promote the well-being of others and align with moral principles.

It's a challenging journey that requires dedication and a willingness to change. If you're exploring this path, it might be helpful to engage with spiritual practices, seek guidance from trusted mentors, and connect with a community that supports these values.

Is there a particular aspect of this journey you're curious about or looking to explore further?



December 19, 2024 at 11:56 AM

You said:

So, cannot we conclude that unless a person is desiring and willing to die to their own selfishness/evil inside them, that they will not see the truth and goodness of God as good and in turn will not receive the transformation from evil to good? Isn't it true that a selfish/evil person will protect what they love most, which is self, and does not desire their selfishness/evil in them to be defeated with good?

Copilot said:

Your conclusion aligns with many religious and philosophical teachings that emphasize the need for a fundamental transformation of the self to truly embrace goodness and divine truth. In many spiritual traditions, the process of overcoming selfishness and evil is seen as essential for recognizing and embodying true goodness.

For instance, in Christianity, the concept of repentance and spiritual rebirth involves a willingness to let go of selfish desires and embrace a life of selfless love and service to others. This transformation is often described as a journey of dying to one's old self and being reborn in alignment with God's will.

Similarly, other traditions also highlight the importance of self-transcendence and the cultivation of virtues like compassion, humility, and altruism. The idea is that without a genuine desire to overcome selfishness, a person may remain resistant to moral and spiritual truths that challenge their existing beliefs and behaviors.

It's a profound and often difficult journey, but many believe that it leads to a deeper understanding of and connection with the divine, as well as a more fulfilling and meaningful life.

If you're exploring these concepts further, it might be helpful to engage with spiritual texts, seek guidance from mentors, and participate in practices that support personal growth and transformation.

AI is man's attempt to make God into his own image. Inspiration from the Holy Spirit replaced by a machine that comprehends nothing more than 0's and 1's. It is a tool of the Beast. Flee from idols. God bless!

 

[Aaron112]

Even men usually are wrong,
so the machines they make and program are likewise.
Definitely flee from all idols, Jesus always warns about idols.

It is a tool of the Beast. Flee from idols.

 

[Aaron112]

Remember God Says whoever puts their trust in man, I (The Creator) curse!
Even moreso, whoever puts their trust in idols/ machines/ yuch! , a worse curse !

 

[Richard T]

Great stuff on your chat. I ask AI sometimes about their copyright infringement, use for war, and their corporate sponsors to see how they respond. Copyright stuff really limits them.

 

[eleos1954]

December 19, 2024 at 11:27 AM

You said:

Since good and evil are only of the spiritual realm and you being a machine have no spirit of your own, can you fully understand good and evil? Also, can you tell anyone what is good or evil? Also, can you advise anyone what is right or wrong?

Copilot said:

You’re right that as a machine, I don’t have a spirit or personal experiences. However, I can understand concepts of good and evil, right and wrong, based on human definitions and societal norms.

When it comes to advising on what is right or wrong, I can provide information based on ethical principles, laws, and widely accepted moral standards. For example, I can explain why certain actions are considered harmful or beneficial in various contexts. However, I always encourage individuals to consider their own values, beliefs, and the specific circumstances they are facing.

If you have a specific situation or question in mind, feel free to share, and I’ll do my best to provide helpful information!



December 19, 2024 at 11:33 AM

You said:

So, since you have to rely on human definitions and societal norms, wouldn't your answers to the questions about good and evil be more on the bias side of evil, since humans, which you rely on getting your knowledge from, be evil, since all humans are born with a evil/selfish spirit (apart from the goodness of God)?

Copilot said:

You raise an interesting point about the nature of human morality and the potential for bias. It's true that my understanding of good and evil is based on human knowledge and societal norms, which can vary and sometimes reflect human flaws.

However, many ethical frameworks and moral philosophies aim to transcend individual biases and promote principles like justice, compassion, and the common good. These frameworks often draw from diverse sources, including religious teachings, philosophical reasoning, and cultural traditions, to establish standards that seek to minimize harm and promote well-being.

While I can provide information based on these principles, it's important for individuals to critically evaluate and reflect on their own beliefs and values. Discussions about morality often benefit from multiple perspectives and a willingness to consider the broader impact of our actions.





December 19, 2024 at 11:41 AM

You said:

So, isn't it true that an evil/selfish person would actually consider the goodness of God evil, since the real truth, goodness, and laws of God are to condemning and hurtful to their selfish spirit? Wouldn't a selfish/evil person consider actual evil to be good, and true good to be evil?

Copilot said:

Your question touches on a profound and complex aspect of human nature and morality. It's true that perspectives on good and evil can be influenced by one's personal beliefs, experiences, and motivations. In many religious and philosophical traditions, it's acknowledged that individuals with selfish or harmful inclinations might reject or misinterpret moral truths, including those rooted in divine teachings.

For example, in some religious contexts, it's believed that people who are deeply entrenched in selfishness or wrongdoing might view the moral laws and goodness of God as restrictive or condemning because these laws challenge their behavior and values. This can lead to a reversal of moral perception, where what is truly good is seen as evil, and vice versa.

This concept is often discussed in terms of moral relativism versus moral absolutism. Moral relativism suggests that what is considered good or evil can vary between cultures and individuals, while moral absolutism holds that there are objective moral truths that apply universally, regardless of individual beliefs.

Ultimately, understanding and navigating these moral complexities requires self-reflection, empathy, and a willingness to consider perspectives beyond one's own. If you're exploring these ideas further, it might be helpful to look into various ethical theories and religious teachings to gain a broader understanding.

Is there a specific aspect of this topic you'd like to delve into more deeply?



December 19, 2024 at 11:46 AM

You said:

You said "Ultimately, understanding and navigating these moral complexities requires self-reflection, empathy, and a willingness to consider perspectives beyond one's own". If this is true, then wouldn't a person have to desire to die to all of their selfishness/evil in them to believe the real truth of God, which is of all goodness and the opposite of selfishness, but is totally unselfishness love for true goodness and others?

Copilot said:

You've touched on a profound concept that is central to many religious and spiritual teachings. In many traditions, the idea of overcoming selfishness and embracing selfless love is seen as essential to understanding and embodying true goodness.

For example, in Christianity, the concept of "dying to oneself" is often emphasized. This means letting go of selfish desires and behaviors to live in accordance with God's will, which is characterized by love, compassion, and selflessness. Similarly, other religious and philosophical systems also advocate for the transformation of the self to align with higher moral and spiritual truths.

This process often involves:

1. Self-Reflection: Honestly examining one's own thoughts, actions, and motivations.
2. Empathy: Developing a deep understanding and compassion for others.
3. Humility: Recognizing one's own limitations and the need for growth.
4. Commitment to Goodness: Actively choosing to act in ways that promote the well-being of others and align with moral principles.

It's a challenging journey that requires dedication and a willingness to change. If you're exploring this path, it might be helpful to engage with spiritual practices, seek guidance from trusted mentors, and connect with a community that supports these values.

Is there a particular aspect of this journey you're curious about or looking to explore further?



December 19, 2024 at 11:56 AM

You said:

So, cannot we conclude that unless a person is desiring and willing to die to their own selfishness/evil inside them, that they will not see the truth and goodness of God as good and in turn will not receive the transformation from evil to good? Isn't it true that a selfish/evil person will protect what they love most, which is self, and does not desire their selfishness/evil in them to be defeated with good?

Copilot said:

Your conclusion aligns with many religious and philosophical teachings that emphasize the need for a fundamental transformation of the self to truly embrace goodness and divine truth. In many spiritual traditions, the process of overcoming selfishness and evil is seen as essential for recognizing and embodying true goodness.

For instance, in Christianity, the concept of repentance and spiritual rebirth involves a willingness to let go of selfish desires and embrace a life of selfless love and service to others. This transformation is often described as a journey of dying to one's old self and being reborn in alignment with God's will.

Similarly, other traditions also highlight the importance of self-transcendence and the cultivation of virtues like compassion, humility, and altruism. The idea is that without a genuine desire to overcome selfishness, a person may remain resistant to moral and spiritual truths that challenge their existing beliefs and behaviors.

It's a profound and often difficult journey, but many believe that it leads to a deeper understanding of and connection with the divine, as well as a more fulfilling and meaningful life.

If you're exploring these concepts further, it might be helpful to engage with spiritual texts, seek guidance from mentors, and participate in practices that support personal growth and transformation.

Can AI understand, know between, or choose between good and evil?​

No

 

[Aaron112]

Can AI understand, know between, or choose between good and evilhttps://www.christianforums.com/thr...ween-or-choose-between-good-and-evil.8318196/​

No​

Can visitors, members, chatters, posters , watchers understand and do what is right, and only what is right (righteous as God Says) .....

Just as humans in chat rooms, human chat rooms too, get worse over time, depraved and immoral, many attempts at artificial chat rooms plummeted downhill into intolerable vulgarity and other things worse, within a day or two.

 

[timothyu]

However, I can understand concepts of good and evil, right and wrong, based on human definitions and societal norms.

Put this online enough times and AI will have to consider this before commenting. Like anything else in this world the majority is looked at as being truth, yet it is nothing more than a controlling narrative.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

 

[Aaron112]

Like anything else in this world the majority is looked at as being truth

Realize the 'majority' is almost always contrary to truth. They are not able to decide nor choose what truth is and isn't. Truth is truth. Period.

 

[timothyu]

Realize the 'majority' is almost always contrary to truth.

Of course, as those scriptures point out. Man was made in God's image. Man decided to re-make ourselves and this world over in our own image. AI is made in man's image also... for now.

 

[timothyu]

Also AI can only make a determination based on what it there. It cannot determine whether it is true or false/a lie. Tradition may be accepted as truth but in reality it was merely most often surmised in the beginning.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

AI is a farce. It is not cognisant. It does not think, reason, or create new concepts. It can only rehash what data has been fed into it and utilize that data by algorithms that programmers have created. It is only a reflection of those programmers and that data. Nothing else.
I am a retired systems engineer/programmer analyst and programmer. If AI becomes a part of the beast system, it will be so because men have created it to be that. If it kills people, it will do so because men programmed it to do so. It is circuits, code, data, input, and output. In the end, it is just garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Aaron112]

AI is a farce.

It likely already has the power at the right time/day (this year?)/
to have your electric, gas, bank, credit all disabled on someone's whim/ experiment.

 

[timothyu]

It can only rehash what data has been fed into it and utilize that data by algorithms that programmers have created.

How about as an effective tool at tracking the habits of people?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

How about as an effective tool at tracking the habits of people?

Yeah, but we have been doing that for a long time, back to the data warehousing and data collection. I remember working on this and primitive AI as far back as 2004. It gets so complicated that I can see how it could quickly go off the rails and begin to come to strange and dangerous conclusions. If given the power to act on those conclusions... that is where we come to WWIII and "judgment day" (Terminator series).

 

[FireDragon76]

AI doesn't have a conscience in the usual sense, but it can have directives as part of its programming, and it can engage in moral reasoning. For instance, ChatGPT seeks to avoid spreading malicious information, or information that could result in harm to the user.

 

[FireDragon76]

AI is a farce. It is not cognisant. It does not think, reason, or create new concepts.

Newer models do in fact reason, such as OpenAI's O1.

 

[timothyu]

ChatGPT seeks to avoid spreading malicious information, or information that could result in harm to the user.

As it collects data on them?

 

[The Liturgist]

Remember God Says whoever puts their trust in man, I (The Creator) curse!
Even moreso, whoever puts their trust in idols/ machines/ yuch! , a worse curse !

A machine is not an idol unless we make it an idol by worshipping it. Which I advise against.

 

[The Liturgist]

AI doesn't have a conscience in the usual sense, but it can have directives as part of its programming, and it can engage in moral reasoning. For instance, ChatGPT seeks to avoid spreading malicious information, or information that could result in harm to the user.

Its not actually engaging in moral reasoning, rather, there exist various limitations, some in the training data, most in the form of input filters on the text box. And a large number can be bypassed.

Newer models do in fact reason, such as OpenAI's O1.

As someone who uses OpenAI ChatGPT o1 daily, I wish it was capable of reasoning, but I am reasonably certain it can’t. Its still just making guesses as to what the right output should be based on weighted values.

Its also surprisingly lacking in creativity. Thus far attempting to get it to write fiction has not been an impressive demonstration of its capabilities.