Can a person speak in tongues and still not be saved.

[iamabcg]

Can I person honestly say the sinners prayer, be baptized and speak in tongues and still not be saved. I have done all these and i never felt anything when i did them. I know its not about feeling but everyone I know saying that when they first spoke in tongues they had amazing feelings. Also the devil keeps putting into my mind the scripture that says I will have mercy on those I choose. It' in the old testament and repeated in the new testament but i don't know where. Most of the time I feel like God has not chosen me. I want more than anything to have a personal relationship with God

 

[ltwin]

Can I person honestly say the sinners prayer, be baptized and speak in tongues and still not be saved. I have done all these and i never felt anything when i did them. I know its not about feeling but everyone I know saying that when they first spoke in tongues they had amazing feelings.

It is possible to say the sinnner's prayer without being saved. Praying a prayer cannot save you. This is salvation:

Salvation is received through repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ. By the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, being justified by grace through faith, man becomes an heir of God, according to the hope of eternal life.

This is from the Assemblies of God's Statement of Fundamental Truths. It begins by stating that salvation is "received" through repentance and faith. We must have both faith that Christ's life, death, and resurrection have given us the victory. We must also repent of our sins. Repentance is not a mental decision. Repentance is a complete turning from sin. We must choose to obey God and resist evil. In doing this, God gives us the grace to resist temptation and to live a holy life, as the scripture says, "Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord," (Hebrews 12:4) and "But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: 'Be holy, because I am holy'" (1 Peter 1:15-16). We can be holy through the grace and power of Christ working through us: "But he said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.' Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me" (2 Corinthians 12:9).

It is possible to speak in tongues without being saved. The Apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13:1-3:

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Speaking in tongues is not an evidence of salvation. We can be assured that we are saved by the inner witness of the Holy Spirit, "The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children" (Romans 8:16). If we are saved, there will be outward evidence as well---a life of righteousness and true holiness, Ephesians 4:20-32:

That, however, is not the way of life you learned when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body. “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, and do not give the devil a foothold. Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.

Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

Also refer to Titus 2:11-14,

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

Also read about the Fruit of the Spirit: Galatians 5.


(Continued in next post)

 

[ltwin]

Also the devil keeps putting into my mind the scripture that says I will have mercy on those I choose. It' in the old testament and repeated in the new testament but i don't know where. Most of the time I feel like God has not chosen me. I want more than anything to have a personal relationship with God

God has chosen everyone: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16). "For 'everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13).

God has chosen to have mercy on all of us, but there are those who will choose to accept his Son Jesus Christ and his grace. And there are those who will not.

God has chosen you, Christ died on the cross for you, he shed his blood for you, and he defeated death, hell, and the gave for you and rose on the 3rd day for you. He has given you the victory, now all you have to do is lay hold of it by faith. Read the Word of God, let the living word and the Holy Spirit speak to you and convict you of sin. Confess your sins and repent of them. Pray without ceasing. The key to developing a strong relationship with Jesus is by reading the written word of God and praying. When we pray to God, we are talking to him. And don't just talk to him, allow him time to speak to you. Begin to rest in his presence and simply enjoy being in his presence.

I posted this in another thread, but I think it could help you as well.

Praying a sinner's prayer is not a magical formula. It is prayer, which is a means of grace whereby we respond to the proclamation of the Gospel and the Holy Spirit convicting us of sin. A sinner's prayer can only be effective if it flows from real faith and a real desire to repent and turn away from sin.

To continue to walk in repentance and holiness, we must rely on the grace of God. The strength to live the Christian life comes by faith, the Word of God, the fellowship of other Christians, the teaching and ordinances of the church, a deep prayer life, and the empowering presence of the Holy Spirit.

We all have temptations and we all have moments where we give into our sinful nature. But, through the grace of God, we can strengthen our spiritual core so that we grow in holiness and resistance to the devil's temptation. The Bible says that we must "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).

If there are sins and patterns of life that you find yourself unable to find deliverance from, I would recommend that you get into a church that preaches the Word and has solid Christian leadership and discipleship. A strong, Gospel based church that is serious about discipling and building up believers will be able to provide you with the spiritual guidance and pastoral care to help you break free from chronic sin that is hindering your walk with God.

 

[D2wing]

I agree with Itwin. In addition we must bring our thoughts under control. The devil's main way of attack is no undermine our faith through deceitful thoughts. God inhabits our praises so praise God, pray and be in the word and confess the word. "This is the work of The Lord, to believe in him who God has sent. I would think you are saved but need to be more perfected on your faith.
And follow Itwins advice.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"I have done all these and i never felt anything when i did them."

SO why did you do them?? Because somebody told you to???

There's nothing about "Doing things" that will "Save us".

Salvation is BY FAITH (not simply belief) in the Sin Offering of Jesus for us. If you don't KNOW that you sins are forgiven, then there's no evidence of Faith, and the likelyhood is that you've just been doing "Religious things" which will get you absolutely nowhere.

I'd suggest that you talk to the Lord about your situation, and get with an evangelical PAstor (Baptist or Assembly of God would be my choices) to help sort things out.

 

[parsley]

Learning how to stand on God's Word is part of the Christian walk. Belief doesn't cut it for everyone -- we need to do things the way God has asked us to do them.

Meditating on His word day and night, seeking and asking, using faith to free and heal others, using faith to ask Him. It doesn't just come naturally, which is why we need to study and reflect on what He says.

We can't let feelings ruin what God has ordained.

If you have some time today, watch a few minutes of this...
Enjoying Everyday Life – Television Show | Joyce Meyer Ministries

It is not those actions that save you. It is God who saves you.

Maybe He is the one who feels it, lol.

 

[dabro]

I believe you are saved. Just you being concerned about your soul is enough to show me....I have wonder that too. But I am always reminded that I am God's son. Now I have had my times where I just thought I was losing it and the dense wall that was blocking my hearing of God's love was my sin. Sin cut's us off and it's like you have to go thru this detox until you hear God again. Man, I hate sin because it just ruins everything. But I assure you with the spirit that is in me....I feel comfertable saying you are saved......You just seemed to have been rooted into man's legal law which sucks before God grace. And, your hard on yourself like me. Hang in there I'll be praying for you!

 

[iamabcg]

I believe you are saved. Just you being concerned about your soul is enough to show me....I have wonder that too. But I am always reminded that I am God's son. Now I have had my times where I just thought I was losing it and the dense wall that was blocking my hearing of God's love was my sin. Sin cut's us off and it's like you have to go thru this detox until you hear God again. Man, I hate sin because it just ruins everything. But I assure you with the spirit that is in me....I feel comfertable saying you are saved......You just seemed to have been rooted into man's legal law which sucks before God grace. And, your hard on yourself like me. Hang in there I'll be praying for you!

Thank You

 

[Alithis]

I recall an interesting lady whos has since gone to be with the lord - her name was Jill Austin. she often said - "the anointing (gifts of the spirit) on a person is not an automatic endorsement of everything that person does in their life "-.

And i agree with that whole heartedly - The lord Gives gifts ..and I cant say definitively, ,but it seems he does not then remove the gifts once given. but it is obedience that displays faith is truly present .

 

[NeighborRachel]

Can I person honestly say the sinners prayer, be baptized and speak in tongues and still not be saved. I have done all these and i never felt anything when i did them. I know its not about feeling but everyone I know saying that when they first spoke in tongues they had amazing feelings. Also the devil keeps putting into my mind the scripture that says I will have mercy on those I choose. It' in the old testament and repeated in the new testament but i don't know where. Most of the time I feel like God has not chosen me. I want more than anything to have a personal relationship with God

You may just be a person who doesn't have a lot of "feelings."
My husband doesn't.
Some people are just that way - they're placid, like a smooth lake. They're steady.
Some people just don't get all shook up.

Are you typically an effusive, emotional person?

 

[singlecandle]

You do not have to speak in tongues to be saved.

 

[A New Day]

You do not have to speak in tongues to be saved.

An interesting question and an interesting answer, Paul the apostle says something about it:

1 Corinthians 14:12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20 Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21 In the Law it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”

And here is Isaiah that Paul mentions:
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.

I add two more verses:

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

1 Corinthians 13
1 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

 

[singlecandle]

An interesting question and an interesting answer, Paul the apostle says something about it:

1 Corinthians 14:12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20 Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21 In the Law it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”

And here is Isaiah that Paul mentions:
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.

I add two more verses:

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

1 Corinthians 13
1 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

Actually, you have taken all of those verses out of context
1.Isaiah is saying that the Israelites would hear of the refreshing and still not believe. He is not saying that the Israelites themselves would speak in tongues and still not believe for speaking in tongues is a sign of the Holy Spirit. Read the text carefully.
2.Speaking in tongues IS a sign of the presence of the Holy Spirit in a person's life and of that person having repented. The entire book of Acts makes this very clear: Acts 2:3,4 Acts 2:11; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:19-20; Acts 10:45-46 Acts 11:15-17; Acts 10:46-47; and Mark 16:17 for good measure.

3. Look at the Catholic Church. Many have reportedly seen Marian apparitions and visions of Jesus telling them to make an icon and revere it but these miracles are not of God even though they are purportedly done in the Name of God. Furthermore, concerning healings and exorcisms we have to remember the Scriptures that speak of the Sons of Sceva."Jesus we know," the demons touted,"but who are you?" The reason they elicited a response from the demons was because the name of Jesus is powerful even when spoken by an unbeliever. Speaking in tongues is actually a GIFT not something you PERFORM. For it to be a miracle that you perform would turn it into a work, but it is very clearly NOT a work like exorcism
is: Acts 2:38; Acts 8:20; Acts 10:45; Acts 11:17. So, to use Matthew 21:22 to say that speaking in tongues is a miracle that can be performed by unbelievers is inaccurate and incorrect. Simon the sorceress wanted the ability to lay hands on people and give them the gift of the Holy Ghost but he COULDN'T receive the power. Why? Because he had not repented: Acts 8:17-20. The GIFT of the Holy Spirit is just that...a gift and to say that it can be earned or bought is wrong. God does give the gift to His children and to His children only but that doesn't mean we earn it or obligate Him into giving it to us, and it is NOT some babbling that can be done on one's initiative and learned like some erroneously teach-that is fleshly speaking not divine utterance.

4. In I Corinthians 14 Paul is saying he would rather have the believers be concerned with prophesying for the sake of the believers then speaking in tongues for the unbelievers who may be present to hear and not listen and believe. The passage is NOT saying that the unbelievers themselves will speak in tongues to THEMSELVES as a sign-that is a misreading.


The point that I'm trying to drive home is that in God's kingdom we don't earn anything and especially not the gift of the Holy Spirit-it is simply given, and that sometimes we get too focused on the ACT of speaking in tongues as fleshly effort rather then really being MOVED by the love of God like I Cor:13 says. I know because I have struggled with that too.

So in answer to your question if a person tries to speak in tongues on their own initiative like some people teach it then it may not be a true sign of repentance.
For example, I saw a youtube video of a guy telling people HOW to speak in tongues. That is incorrect. If it doesn't proceed forth from the Spirit it is NOT a genuine sign.

 

[A New Day]

Actually, you have taken all of those verses out of context
1.Isaiah is saying that the Israelites would hear of the refreshing and still not believe. He is not saying that the Israelites themselves would speak in tongues and still not believe for speaking in tongues is a sign of the Holy Spirit. Read the text carefully.
2.Speaking in tongues IS a sign of the presence of the Holy Spirit in a person's life and of that person having repented. The entire book of Acts makes this very clear: Acts 2:3,4 Acts 2:11; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:19-20; Acts 10:45-46 Acts 11:15-17; Acts 10:46-47; and Mark 16:17 for good measure.

3. Look at the Catholic Church. Many have reportedly seen Marian apparitions and visions of Jesus telling them to make an icon and revere it but these miracles are not of God even though they are purportedly done in the Name of God. Furthermore, concerning healings and exorcisms we have to remember the Scriptures that speak of the Sons of Sceva."Jesus we know," the demons touted,"but who are you?" The reason they elicited a response from the demons was because the name of Jesus is powerful even when spoken by an unbeliever. Speaking in tongues is actually a GIFT not something you PERFORM. For it to be a miracle that you perform would turn it into a work, but it is very clearly NOT a work like exorcism
is: Acts 2:38; Acts 8:20; Acts 10:45; Acts 11:17. So, to use Matthew 21:22 to say that speaking in tongues is a miracle that can be performed by unbelievers is inaccurate and incorrect. Simon the sorceress wanted the ability to lay hands on people and give them the gift of the Holy Ghost but he COULDN'T receive the power. Why? Because he had not repented: Acts 8:17-20. The GIFT of the Holy Spirit is just that...a gift and to say that it can be earned or bought is wrong. God does give the gift to His children and to His children only but that doesn't mean we earn it or obligate Him into giving it to us, and it is NOT some babbling that can be done on one's initiative and learned like some erroneously teach-that is fleshly speaking not divine utterance.

4. In I Corinthians 14 Paul is saying he would rather have the believers be concerned with prophesying for the sake of the believers then speaking in tongues for the unbelievers who may be present to hear and not listen and believe. The passage is NOT saying that the unbelievers themselves will speak in tongues to THEMSELVES as a sign-that is a misreading.


The point that I'm trying to drive home is that in God's kingdom we don't earn anything and especially not the gift of the Holy Spirit-it is simply given, and that sometimes we get too focused on the ACT of speaking in tongues as fleshly effort rather then really being MOVED by the love of God like I Cor:13 says. I know because I have struggled with that too.

So in answer to your question if a person tries to speak in tongues on their own initiative like some people teach it then it may not be a true sign of repentance.
For example, I saw a youtube video of a guy telling people HOW to speak in tongues. That is incorrect. If it doesn't proceed forth from the Spirit it is NOT a genuine sign.

singlecandle? But I did not say any of that.
It am not offended that you like to explain the bible me, on the contrary i thank you for your effort. But what I do not understand is why, instead of sharing your thoughts with me in a kind way you chose to mention things that i did not mean:

you have taken all of those verses out of context

He is not saying that the Israelites themselves would speak in tongues and still not believe for speaking in tongues is a sign of the Holy Spirit. Read the text carefully.

it is NOT some babbling that can be done

The passage is NOT saying that the unbelievers themselves will speak in tongues to THEMSELVES as a sign-that is a misreading

So in answer to your question

That is incorrect

where did i say all that? what I said was: An interesting question and an interesting answer. And the rest was the bible and not my words. If I explain a verse then you can tell me that i took it out of its context, but when I did not explain a particular verse, then why did you judge me like that?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

To answer the original question, it is possible to speak in tongues and yet not be saved. Tongues speaking is common in some pagan cultures, and there are Mormons who claim to be able to speak in tongues. Usually, this type of tongues is part of a ritual and it is spoken as an incantation to the particular god. Also, tongues speaking has appeared in some spiritualist churches as a part of satan-worship.

In recent times, even in Pentecostal/Charismatic churches there are people who have made a profession of Christianity through the notion of "easy believerism", joined the church, done everything other Christians do - so well that they cannot be distinguished from the genuine believers. This is why we should know that hypocrites can do everything genuine believers can do, including speaking in tongues in a Pentecostal/Charismatic church!

So, if we concentrate on the P/C area, there are a lot of people who profess to be saved and baptised in the Holy Spirit, and yet are not showing the characteristics of truly converted believers; in other words, they are not showing the fruit of the Spirit. But instead, they are criticising, having power plays, involved in party spirit, that is, they are saying their denomination is better than all the others, deposing faithful pastors, dividing churches, and, as we have seen on this forum, being downright nasty and horrible to anyone who disagrees with them. I say that these people are not converted at all, but are just hypocrites pretending to be Christian. I think that this is increasing in many Charismatic churches as people are accepted into the church after making a "decision" at a mass meeting, but are not properly taught about the nature of true conversion.

These are the people who love to do all sorts of religious things in public, to be seen of others, and praised for their spirituality. These are the ones who do loud, lengthy prophecies, speak loudly in tongues during services, boast about their fastings, carry big black Bibles, and go to all sorts of lengths to show how "holier than thou" they are, looking down on ordinary believers who do not come up to their standards.

Paul teaches that tongues are for private use before God, to communicate with Him in the secret place of prayer. In that place they speak mysteries in the Spirit, and build themselves up in their holy faith. You will find that hypocrites will never do that. All their religiousity is displayed in public to get the praise of men.

The only use of tongues in a service is for a message intended for interpretation. It is given at the appropriate time, and presented for interpretation. It is usually a beautiful, flowing language that radiates love, peace and joy, gentleness and self control.

But people speaking loudly in tongues in public services are being disobedient to Paul's teaching, therefore I believe that most of it is in the flesh. Some of it could be of the devil, and we have all heard the horror stories about someone speaking in an identifiable language and it has been the most horrible blasphemies. This is an example of a religious hypocrite, pretending to be a Spirit-filled Christian, speaking publicly in tongues, and that is the result. The devil can use that to discredit the ministry and work of the Spirit, and so we need to be sober and vigilant and well aware of his devices to upset meetings and distract people from true faith in Christ and worship of Him.

 

[WOFFED]

Can I person honestly say the sinners prayer, be baptized and speak in tongues and still not be saved. ... I want more than anything to have a personal relationship with God.

Yes, I believe you are saved, but that doesn't mean the enemy will turn and run away from you. We work out our salvation as overcomers. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Living Word of GOD. You have received a very precious gift that you will use to develop an ever closer relationship during times of your own prayer and those times of deep intercession for others.

The following comments relate to Oscar's post ...

Desiring the gift of tongues for the purpose of being more accepted among a congregation or somehow viewed as being more blessed by God can lead to what Oscar is describing.

On the other hand there are those that have received the gift of tongues, but then don’t use this gift even during intercessory prayer. This gift was meant to be used.

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[Alithis]

To answer the original question, it is possible to speak in tongues and yet not be saved. Tongues speaking is common in some pagan cultures, and there are Mormons who claim to be able to speak in tongues. Usually, this type of tongues is part of a ritual and it is spoken as an incantation to the particular god. Also, tongues speaking has appeared in some spiritualist churches as a part of satan-worship.

In recent times, even in Pentecostal/Charismatic churches there are people who have made a profession of Christianity through the notion of "easy believerism", joined the church, done everything other Christians do - so well that they cannot be distinguished from the genuine believers. This is why we should know that hypocrites can do everything genuine believers can do, including speaking in tongues in a Pentecostal/Charismatic church!

So, if we concentrate on the P/C area, there are a lot of people who profess to be saved and baptised in the Holy Spirit, and yet are not showing the characteristics of truly converted believers; in other words, they are not showing the fruit of the Spirit. But instead, they are criticising, having power plays, involved in party spirit, that is, they are saying their denomination is better than all the others, deposing faithful pastors, dividing churches, and, as we have seen on this forum, being downright nasty and horrible to anyone who disagrees with them. I say that these people are not converted at all, but are just hypocrites pretending to be Christian. I think that this is increasing in many Charismatic churches as people are accepted into the church after making a "decision" at a mass meeting, but are not properly taught about the nature of true conversion.

These are the people who love to do all sorts of religious things in public, to be seen of others, and praised for their spirituality. These are the ones who do loud, lengthy prophecies, speak loudly in tongues during services, boast about their fastings, carry big black Bibles, and go to all sorts of lengths to show how "holier than thou" they are, looking down on ordinary believers who do not come up to their standards.

Paul teaches that tongues are for private use before God, to communicate with Him in the secret place of prayer. In that place they speak mysteries in the Spirit, and build themselves up in their holy faith. You will find that hypocrites will never do that. All their religiousity is displayed in public to get the praise of men.

The only use of tongues in a service is for a message intended for interpretation. It is given at the appropriate time, and presented for interpretation. It is usually a beautiful, flowing language that radiates love, peace and joy, gentleness and self control.

But people speaking loudly in tongues in public services are being disobedient to Paul's teaching, therefore I believe that most of it is in the flesh. Some of it could be of the devil, and we have all heard the horror stories about someone speaking in an identifiable language and it has been the most horrible blasphemies. This is an example of a religious hypocrite, pretending to be a Spirit-filled Christian, speaking publicly in tongues, and that is the result. The devil can use that to discredit the ministry and work of the Spirit, and so we need to be sober and vigilant and well aware of his devices to upset meetings and distract people from true faith in Christ and worship of Him.

have you read of the Indonesian revival fro the late 60s early 70s ( i think )
one of the things that took place was the entire building was engulfed in tongues of fire - so much so the townsfolk came running with buckets of water- to find that while it had fire - it did not burn
and inside the congregation all broke out in tongues and weeping and crying and in that mayhem of noise they realized a great freedom to pray out honestly to God took place with no one self conscious- every where people were crying out their repentance confessing their sins ...
you wont find that freedom in and orderly church service of 3 slow songs 3 fast songs 1 chap in tongues followed by a couple of interpretations ...
there are no rules of men applied when God shows up .. When God RULES -life comes .. When men rule , death ensues.
ADD: i agree with many things you have said -- just wanted to highlight that bit lol ... God bless

 

[singlecandle]

To answer the original question, it is possible to speak in tongues and yet not be saved.

That is incorrect. It is not possible for a person to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit WITH the evidence of speaking in tongues and not be born again.
To speak forth in divine utterance under the influence of the Holy Spirit is a sign that a person has truly repented. Any fleshly babbling promoted by pagan cultures is not sincere tongue speak.

 

[singlecandle]

Original post by A New Day before being edited:

An interesting question and an interesting answer, what I think too is that not everyone who speaks in tongues is a sign that he is saved, Paul the apostle says something about it, and i choose the following verses:

I responded to that statement that you edited. You should not delete
your original statements and accuse others of judging you-that is deceitful.
I judge your statement.

 

[A New Day]

Original post by A New Day before being edited:

An interesting question and an interesting answer, what I think too is that not everyone who speaks in tongues is a sign that he is saved, Paul the apostle says something about it, and i choose the following verses:

I responded to that statement that you edited. You should not delete
your original statements and accuse others of judging you-that is deceitful.
I judge your statement.

I never thought that you saw my sentence because your quote of my post did not include my sentence.

And the reason that I edited my answer is because actually I misunderstood your answer, did you see the word too? But later I thought what if your answer is not as I thought? so since I was not sure I removed my sentence, do you see for what degree I thought.

Misunderstandings can happen, and people can get angry... But thank you for your sapient comment this time instead of an angry comment.

However since you mentioned it, what do you think was wrong with my sentence:

what I think too is that not everyone who speaks in tongues is a sign that he is saved

Do you personally think that everyone who speaks in tongues is a sign that he is saved?