Can a person love without the Ten Commandments

[k4c]

The burnt offerings that are made every sabbath day are contained in the passage governing the twice-daily oblations. These offerings are made every single day of the year. Not only are these offerings inclusive of the seventh-day sabbath, but any and all other sabbaths as well.

Victor

No fires were to be light on the seventh day Sabbath. No fires means no burnt offerings.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Love cares nothing for rules or laws ... only the immediate presence and embrace of the Beloved.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

oh merciful sweet God be near moriah now whats desperate to cling to You

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

it does not care what anyone else see when it cry to YOU Master, to YOU for YOUR beautiful sweet life giving touch
what it needs so desperate

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

daimonizomai abase itself to You Lord, please please do not forsake it, please have mercy have mercy

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

yes yes yes thank You Lord thank YOU that Your very nature bes mercy and grace ... sweet relief from torment You gives it ... thank You for HOPE Lord ... thank You for the keys to sanity .... THANK YOU ... Moriah adores You Master ...

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Lord Jesus Christ come in the Flesh by the will of the Father, yes yes yes if you question it, it will test true. He makes it. He will deliver it YES He will.

 

[VictorC]

No fires were to be light on the seventh day Sabbath. No fires means no burnt offerings.

Perhaps you could quote that ordinance from Exodus 35:3, and see that it is specific to your living quarters.
The burnt offering of two lambs was required every sabbath, and this ordinance is in the passage of Numbers 28 that governs the evening and morning oblations.

Unless you can document where your altar is and that your priest (under Levi, not Melchisedek) is offering two lambs every sabbath, you will be forced to conclude that you are like those who have never, ever kept a sabbath holy according to the covenant requirement of Exodus 20:8. No one has complied with the law since Titus razed Jerusalem in 70AD.

Victor

 

[k4c]

Perhaps you could quote that ordinance from Exodus 35:3, and see that it is specific to your living quarters.
The burnt offering of two lambs was required every sabbath, and this ordinance is in the passage of Numbers 28 that governs the evening and morning oblations.

Unless you can document where your altar is and that your priest (under Levi, not Mechisedek) is offering two lambs every sabbath, you will be forced to conclude that you are like those who have never, ever kept a sabbath holy according to the covenant requirement of Exodus 20:8. No one has complied with the law since Titus razed Jerusalem in 70AD.

Victor

I am not concerned with sacrificing animals so I don't know why you keep brining it up. Jesus is my sacrifice before God. What I keep, reagrding the Sabbath, is seen here.

Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I doen't keep it as a means to salvation, but rather, because I am saved and I love God because of it.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I am not concerned with sacrificing animals so I don't know why you keep brining it up. Jesus is my sacrifice before God.

I'm a bit confused. Jesus Christ indicate that not a jot or tittle of the law would pass until all had been accomplished. How is it that you are able to conclude that parts of the law remain and others do not?

I doen't keep it as a means to salvation, but rather, because I am saved and I love God because of it.

I'm glad to hear it. I certainly would never wish to ask you to abandon your seventh day behavior if it is a blessing to you. Perhaps we can share with our SDA brothers and sisters that our salvation will never be contingent upon sabbath keeping? I sense that many of them need to know that.

BFA

 

[VictorC]

I am not concerned with sacrificing animals so I don't know why you keep brining it up. Jesus is my sacrifice before God. What I keep, reagrding the Sabbath, is seen here.

Jesus isn't your sacrifice, as it is you who keeps insisting on returning to the law of Moses. Jesus doesn't perform daily oblations, which were offered under the priesthood of Levi, and Melchisedek doesn't comply with those requirements. In fact, the order of Melchisedek doesn't comply with Moses at all once propitiation was made to fulfill Moses according to the Levitical atonement rites.

Hebrews 7:21-28
21: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec)
22: By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23: And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25: Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26: For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27: Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28: For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Since you insist that Jesus didn't become a priest since the fulfillment and termination of the law, you are required to comply with the law (since it is written, "the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them" (Galatians 3:12).

Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

As I mentioned, you have not complied with the law governing the requirements of the sabbath day, and so you do not keep it holy. You never have.

I doen't keep it as a means to salvation, but rather, because I am saved and I love God because of it.

You show you love for God by remaining half-faithful to Moses, thereby commiting adultery?

Romans 7:1-4
1: Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2: For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3: So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4: Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

You can't be married to Moses and claim a faithful relationship to Jesus Christ.
I can't imagine why this is so hard for you to understand.
But I believe it is because you simply don't understand the covenant mediated by Moses, and its role as Israel's schoolmaster to lead them to their Redeemer.

Victor

 

[k4c]

Jesus isn't your sacrifice, as it is you who keeps insisting on returning to the law of Moses. Jesus doesn't perform daily oblations, which were offered under the priesthood of Levi, and Melchisedek doesn't comply with those requirements. In fact, the order of Melchisedek doesn't comply with Moses at all once propitiation was made to fulfill Moses according to the Levitical atonement rites.

Hebrews 7:21-28
21: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec)
22: By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23: And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25: Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26: For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27: Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28: For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Since you insist that Jesus didn't become a priest since the fulfillment and termination of the law, you are required to comply with the law (since it is written, "the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them" (Galatians 3:12).

As I mentioned, you have not complied with the law governing the requirements of the sabbath day, and so you do not keep it holy. You never have.

You show you love for God by remaining half-faithful to Moses, thereby commiting adultery?

Romans 7:1-4
1: Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2: For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3: So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4: Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

You can't be married to Moses and claim a faithful relationship to Jesus Christ.
I can't imagine why this is so hard for you to understand.
But I believe it is because you simply don't understand the covenant mediated by Moses, and its role as Israel's schoolmaster to lead them to their Redeemer.

Victor

Can you steal, lie and commit adultery?

If you can, tell my why you can.

If you can't, tell me why you can't.

 

[VictorC]

Can you steal, lie and commit adultery?

If you can, tell my why you can.

If you can't, tell me why you can't.

Since you commit adultery every week, what is your excuse for it before a holy God?
Have these words no effect on your understanding?
Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Since you "uphold" the law, what keeps you from seeing that it leaves you guilty before God?
Others have realized this, and have sought a Redeemer.

 

[k4c]

I'm a bit confused. Jesus Christ indicate that not a jot or tittle of the law would pass until all had been accomplished. How is it that you are able to conclude that parts of the law remain and others do not?

I'm glad to hear it. I certainly would never wish to ask you to abandon your seventh day behavior if it is a blessing to you. Perhaps we can share with our SDA brothers and sisters that our salvation will never be contingent upon sabbath keeping? I sense that many of them need to know that.

BFA

Can you steal, lie and commit adultery?

If you can, tell my why you can.

If you can't, tell me why you can't.

 

[k4c]

Since you commit adultery every week, what is your excuse for it before a holy God?
Have these words no effect on your understanding?
Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Since you "uphold" the law, what keeps you from seeing that it leaves you guilty before God?
Others have realized this, and have sought a Redeemer.

Nice side track...

Now lets try again.

Can you steal, lie and commit adultery?

If you can, tell my why you can.

If you can't, tell me why you can't.

 

[VictorC]

Nice side track...

Now lets try again.

Can you steal, lie and commit adultery?

If you can, tell my why you can.

If you can't, tell me why you can't.

It was you who ignored my post and launched onto a side-track, and I'm not following you there. You need to come back to the conversation at hand.

Your adultery is an established fact by your own admission.
Your failure to keep the sabbath holy is an established fact you haven't refuted.

Since you are a sinner just like the rest of us, why don't you see your need for a Redeemer like the BFA and I do (and others as well)?
Or is the impact of James 2:10 lost on you?
whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

You are guilty before God.
Are you preparing warm clothes for the lake of fire, or are you going to eventually see that you need a Redeemer like the rest of mankind if we're to be saved?

 

[k4c]

It was you who ignored my post and launched onto a side-track, and I'm not following you there. You need to come back to the conversation at hand.

Your adultery is an established fact by your own admission.
Your failure to keep the sabbath holy is an established fact you haven't refuted.

Since you are a sinner just like the rest of us, why don't you see your need for a Redeemer like the BFA and I do (and others as well)?
Or is the impact of James 2:10 lost on you?
whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

You are guilty before God.
Are you preparing warm clothes for the lake of fire, or are you going to eventually see that you need a Redeemer like the rest of mankind if we're to be saved?

You're coming into my thread telling me I'm wrong. So lets try this one more time for the Gipper...

Can you steal, lie and commit adultery?

If you can, tell my why you can.

If you can't, tell me why you can't.

 

[VictorC]

You're coming into my thread telling me I'm wrong. So lets try this one more time for the Gipper.

Can you steal, lie and commit adultery?

If you can, tell my why you can.

If you can't, tell me why you can't.

At this juncture I conclude you have no interest in having a discussion, as the answers to your questions are apparent in the context of my posts.
You DO sin by theft, lying, sabbath-breaking, adultery, and a whole bunch more violations of the entire law of Moses.

I need to leave and get some work done.

Please start offering some answers to the points that I have posted for you.
The unanswered posts, including this recent addition, have continued to be completely ignored by you. I offer very little opinion of my own, instead showing the Scriptures and allowing them to explain where you have left them and the narrative of redemption they faithfully portray.

In other words, stop with the obfuscations and start coming up with Scriptural answers.
Or else submit to the Scriptures themselves. They don't obfuscate or lie at all.

Victor

 

[k4c]

At this juncture I conclude you have no interest in having a discussion, as the answers to your questions are apparent in the context of my posts.
You DO sin by theft, lying, sabbath-breaking, adultery, and a whole bunch more violations of the entire law of Moses.

I need to leave and get some work done.

Please start offering some answers to the points that I have posted for you.
The unanswered posts, including this recent addition, have continued to be completely ignored by you. I offer very little opinion of my own, instead showing the Scriptures and allowing them to explain where you have left them and the narrative of redemption they faithfully portray.

In other words, stop with the obfuscations and start coming up with Scriptural answers.
Or else submit to the Scriptures themselves. They don't obfuscate or lie at all.

Victor

Well, well, well brother Victor it seems these simple questions are like a bad tooth.

I'll try to rephrase them to make them easier to answer.

Can you steal, lie and commit adultery?

If you can, tell my why you can.

If you can't, tell me why you can't.

I guess I can't make them any easier.

I sense a flaw in your belief system.

Have you built your house on sand?

 

[StormyOne]

Well, well, well brother Victor it seems these simple questions are like a bad tooth.

I'll try to rephrase them to make them easier to answer.

Can you steal, lie and commit adultery?

If you can, tell my why you can.

If you can't, tell me why you can't.

I guess I can't make them any easier.

I sense a flaw in your belief system.

Have you built your house on sand?

while I am not speaking for Victor, nor would I try, I think your house is closer to being built on sand than Victor's... that would be my observation....