Can A Christian Have a Demon In Them?

[DevotiontoBible]

Can A Christian be demon posessed, oppressed, demonized, in need of deliverance?

 

[RevKidd]

Nope...

Can light and dark exist in the same room...

If the Holy Spirit is residing in you, nothing can take it's place....

And if someone says, "Well what if you are inviting the spirit". Than I would say that your not saved to begin with.

I do believe that we can be oppressed and feel the enemies attacks... That is why we are to have the full armour of God. But to be fully possessed. No. Not possible

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Nope...



I do believe that we can be oppressed and feel the enemies attacks... That is why we are to have the full armour of God. But to be fully possessed. No. Not possible

What do you mean by a Christian being partly possessed?

 

[RevKidd]

I didn't say "partly possessed". How did you get that Idea from what I said.

I said "oppressed". Not possessed. Opression would be coming under the enemies attacks. Just like any other normal Christian, thus why we need the full armour of God.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I didn't say "partly possessed". How did you get that Idea from what I said.

I said "oppressed". Not possessed. Opression would be coming under the enemies attacks. Just like any other normal Christian, thus why we need the full armour of God.

I got it from your statement saying that a Christian cannot be "fully possessed" of a demon. It sounds like you were saying that a Christian can be partially (not fully) possessed. It sounds like you were calling partial demon possession oppression.

What is demon oppression and where is demon oppression of believers taught in the Scripture?

 

[RevKidd]

It's a biblical principle. Why does Paul teach us to put on the full armour of God? What are we fighting against? Power and principalities that are not of this world. Some people call it oppression, some call it attacks, it's all the same thing.

Don't make it more difficult than it really is.

Why do we believe in a Trinity when the bible does not teach about a "Trinity". Because it is a principle taught in the word of God.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

It's a biblical principle. Why does Paul teach us to put on the full armour of God? What are we fighting against? Power and principalities that are not of this world. Some people call it oppression, some call it attacks, it's all the same thing.

Don't make it more difficult than it really is.

Why do we believe in a Trinity when the bible does not teach about a "Trinity". Because it is a principle taught in the word of God.

I have seen people in deliverance ministries call out demons out of Christians in my church, they said these demons were oppressing them to mental anguish, alchohol, tobacco, sexual immorality, etc. What do you mean by demons oppressing believers?

 

[RevKidd]

I have seen people in deliverance ministries call out demons out of Christians in my church, they said these demons were oppressing them to mental anguish, alchohol, tobacco, sexual immorality, etc. What do you mean by demons oppressing believers?

First, if someone is a Born Again Christian. They claim Christ as their Lord and personal savior. They cannot be possessed by a demon.

However, when I say that someone maybe opressed. What I mean is they are possibly coming under the attack of the enemy. By either temptation, lusts of the flesh, or the other areas that you mentioned.

We all come under some type of attack or oppression from the enemy. That is why Paul says that we must have the full armour of God. I think you are making it more difficult than it really is, or you are just baiting or something...

 

[jesusmysaviour76]

Yep yep yep. I think at times Christians become demon obsessed.

Too many times have I seen it where Christians are looking under every rock for a demon. It's at those times that our focus is off God and on to satan. So in a sense I think Christians can be demon possessed, because if you are a Christian your right you should be filled with the Holy Spirit and you should have the light of God in you but when you turn a light on there are still shadows, I guess it just depends on how bright you allow God to be in your life.

But thats just my opinion, I think when Christians start believing that there are demon's under every rock and behind every tree, then I think there is a problem, and they need to question who am I serving?

 

[oneshot012]

We addressed this in another thread not to long ago but I to correctly answer this question we have to first define how the Bible words having a demon. There is only one word in the Bible for this it sounds in the greek like it is spelt in English for our purposes here. Demonization is the word used. It means to be demonized now the severity to which someone is demonized is different depending on the person. Clearly the person who had legion was more demonized than the child with the deaf and mute and spirit. The level of demonization I believe is in realation to the surrendered life of the believer. You see the enemy feasts on that which we do not yield over to God. Therefore the areas we have not surrendered to the Lord the devil and is demons can feast on the and demonize those areas becasue they are not under the Lordship and authority of our Lord.

I hope this helps.

 

[jesusmysaviour76]

thats what i was trying to say, lol you said it so much better than me.

 

[JEBrady]

Oneshot's remarks about demonization are correct, though we seem to have added other words for it.

Kenneth Hagin had an interesting teaching on this called "The sin unto death" in which he claimed to have been visited by the Lord Jesus Christ during which time the Lord had come to teach him specifically on the action of the devil and demons and how they can get control of a Christian if the Christian lets them. In it, he showed 3 stages of a real person who lost their salvation behind a demonic attack. The two main real life examples were one Christian and one unbeliever who committed the sin unto death.

Anyway, to give a thumbnail sketch of the Christian example, this woman who was in ministry, and had been for some time (who was marvelously talented and had been in ministry for many years) had a demon come and begin to tell her she had been cheated in life due to her serving God instead of getting what she could for her talent in the world. Hagin knew this person personally, but Jesus was narrating the story and he was seeing this happen in a vision while he listened to the Lord.

The woman resisted the demon at first, but he would come back. Eventually, she began to like to think the way the demon was talking. At that point, in the vision, her body became transparent and Hagin saw a black spot in her mind. He said the Lord said at this point she became obsessed with that kind of thinking. He stressed that even though she had a stronghold at that point, she could still have changed her mind and resisted and gotten delivered.

That's not the way it went, though. She continued on in it, and eventually that black spot moved down into her spirit. At that point, she lost her salvation. She had become "fully possessed". When Hagin asked, "what will become of her, Lord?", the Lord told him she would go into the lake of fire, and at that point he saw her go into the lake of fire and heard her awful screams.

That's a thumbnail without the scriptures or details, especially the details concerning how really difficult this is. He spent a long time trying to explain how that most people who think they've committed the "unforgiveable sin" haven't done any such thing, and stated that this is a very touchy area because the devil uses this deception to try to destroy people. I'm not advocating this as truth or not truth- believe it or leave it. This is to give some insight into the degrees of demonization that are being discussed here and maybe where some of it came from.

If you're really interested in this, the tape is probably still available through KHM for purchase. Not too many people broach this subject, and this is the only teaching on it that I know of. If anyone would consider mucking about with sin, and I'd hope no one would, I'll wager they'd think twice about it after listening to this. Mary Katherine Baxter did treat the subject as well, but only from the aspect of testifying what she allegedly saw in hell, rather than outlining the actual mechanics of how a person falls into it.

 

[FilledWithHisSpirit]

I am currently reading a book entitled Spiritual Warfare by Richard Ing. When I get finished, I feel I will know more about this subject than I ever have before.
Can a believer be possessed? Yes. How? When they allow demonic spirits to enter them. Remember, as temples of the Holy Spirit, just like the temple of the OT, there can be defilement in the temple, as Paul said. Many times, Israel placed pagan dieties in with the Ark. A believer can be demon possessed. The Holy Spirit is in our hearts (the Holies of Holies), but our outer court can be inhabited as well.
Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

We addressed this in another thread not to long ago but I to correctly answer this question we have to first define how the Bible words having a demon. There is only one word in the Bible for this it sounds in the greek like it is spelt in English for our purposes here. Demonization is the word used. It means to be demonized now the severity to which someone is demonized is different depending on the person. Clearly the person who had legion was more demonized than the child with the deaf and mute and spirit. The level of demonization I believe is in realation to the surrendered life of the believer. You see the enemy feasts on that which we do not yield over to God. Therefore the areas we have not surrendered to the Lord the devil and is demons can feast on the and demonize those areas becasue they are not under the Lordship and authority of our Lord.

I hope this helps.

I cannot find the English translated word "demonized" anywhere in Scripture. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament by Arndt and Gingrich and Colin Browns The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology translates daimonidzomai "to be possessed by a demon". It appears there is no such thing as "demonized". It is as if a doctrine has been formed here based on a word, taken out of context, transliterated (given an anglicized pronounciation) , and then given a definition that has no Scriptural basis.

I also cannot find daimonidzomai in connection to a believer anywhere in Scripture. I cannot find a believer being demon possessed nor can I find any Epistle dealing with the problem of believers needing deliverance from demon possession.

Therefore, what is your authority based on for claiming this "Demonized Christian" doctrine?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I am currently reading a book entitled Spiritual Warfare by Richard Ing. When I get finished, I feel I will know more about this subject than I ever have before.
Can a believer be possessed? Yes. How? When they allow demonic spirits to enter them. Remember, as temples of the Holy Spirit, just like the temple of the OT, there can be defilement in the temple, as Paul said. Many times, Israel placed pagan dieties in with the Ark. A believer can be demon possessed. The Holy Spirit is in our hearts (the Holies of Holies), but our outer court can be inhabited as well.
Just my 2 cents worth.

I cannot find your dichotomy in Scripture. "Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 6:19)", "Greater is He Who is in you than he who is in the world" (1 Jn 4:4). Your dichotomy changes 1 Jn 4:4 to read, "Greater is He who is in you than the demon who is in you".

There is no co-habitation of God and demons in His temple in Scripture. It is not possible for God to cohabit with demons when He commands believers not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers 2 Cor. 6:14-16 (NLT)
Don't team up with those who are unbelievers. How can goodness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness? [15] What harmony can there be between Christ and the Devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever? [16] And what union can there be between God's temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said:
"I will live in them
and walk among them.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

It is not possible, Scripturally, for a believer to be demon possessed. If a person is demon possessed then Scripturally they are not a believer.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

thats what i was trying to say, lol you said it so much better than me.

See my post #14

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Oneshot's remarks about demonization are correct,

see my post #14

 

[oneshot012]

I cannot find the English translated word "demonized" anywhere in Scripture. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament by Arndt and Gingrich and Colin Browns The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology translates daimonidzomai "to be possessed by a demon". It appears there is no such thing as "demonized". It is as if a doctrine has been formed here based on a word, taken out of context, transliterated (given an anglicized pronounciation) , and then given a definition that has no Scriptural basis.

I also cannot find daimonidzomai in connection to a believer anywhere in Scripture. I cannot find a believer being demon possessed nor can I find any Epistle dealing with the problem of believers needing deliverance from demon possession.

Therefore, what is your authority based on for claiming this "Demonized Christian" doctrine?

First of all Epistles are occasional letters. That is something that must be agreed upon. They don't cover everything about the Christian faith but what they do cover is dogmatic so just because the Epistles don't deal with it doesn't mean it can not happen. Furthmore I get my definition form John Wimber and from me Greek 1 class and when I get the time I will check my Theological Dictionary of the New Testament but I am limited on time write now.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

First of all Epistles are occasional letters. That is something that must be agreed upon. They don't cover everything about the Christian faith but what they do cover is dogmatic so just because the Epistles don't deal with it doesn't mean it can not happen. Furthmore I get my definition form John Wimber and from me Greek 1 class and when I get the time I will check my Theological Dictionary of the New Testament but I am limited on time write now.

That is an argument from silence and therefore is not valid. Just because the Bible does not mention little green men from Mars does that mean they exist too? That is an argument from silence. However, I have offered some Scriptures that expressly say that God is in the believer not demons.

What is John Wimbers authority on Greek compared to the two I offered along with every english translation of the Bible that does not even acknowledge "demonize" as a biblical word?

 

[jesusmysaviour76]

Ok well i'm going to stay out of this topic now, because i don't know enough about it. I don't study demon possession. I do feel though that too many Christians become obsessed with demons opening themselves up for attacks or even being lead to a darker patch on the road.

But like I said in my first post this is just my opinion, and until I meet Jesus and get to ask him face to face I'll never know the correct answer.