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OK, then, if we are going to take this line of reasoning, consider this from the lips / pen of David:Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
Psalm 18:34 He teaches my hands to make war, So that my arms can bend a bow of bronze
Where does He say this?
I see no explanation here except to fulfill a prophecy about being seen as a transgressor:
...whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. 37"For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, 'AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH TRANSGRESSORS'
I am only repeating Jesus' own words. He, not me, gives us the "why" for acquiring the swords - that Jesus would be numbered among transgressors. I see no reason to assume there was any other motive for the instruction to get the sword.You are saying the acquiring of swords only plays a role in fulfilling proficiency and has no other significance? Much like he rode to Jerusalem on a donkey when he could have walked?
I am only repeating Jesus' own words.
What?! The very words of Jesus say it!!I should ask you...where does the bible say what your saying?
What?! The very words of Jesus say it!!
...whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. 37"For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, 'AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH TRANSGRESSORS'
What are you talking about? You know full well that the words of Jesus clearly explain the instruction to get the sword in terms of fulfilling the prophecy about being seen as a transgressor. A child could see this.Indeed you are.
But, you then assign YOUR meaning to Jesus' words....Just saying.
What are you talking about? You know full well that the words of Jesus clearly explain the instruction to get the sword in terms of fulfilling the prophecy about being seen as a transgressor. A child could see this.
Please stop with the double-talk about me "assigning my own meaning" Jesus says what He says:
...whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. 37"For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, 'AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH TRANSGRESSORS'
You are making things up. Jesus never says this.Yes, don't pull your swords on my behalf.
I already explained this. Jesus is orchestrating events to get Himself arrested - being a member of an armed band is precisely the thing that will get you arrested.Question...why would Jesus say get a sword because I'm numbered with the transgressors?
I already explained this. Jesus is orchestrating events to get Himself arrested - being a member of an armed band is precisely the thing that will get you arrested.
Let me spell it out more clearly:
1. Armed groups are seen as troublemakers - transgressors of peace and good order;
2. The leader of such a group is liable to be arrested.
3. Jesus is precisely that leader.
There are other issues at play here, but the key point is that Jesus tells us why the swords are to be acquired - so that a prophecy about Jesus being seen as a transgressor will be fulfilled.
No mention of self-defence.
Jesus tells us why the swords are to be acquired - so that a prophecy about Jesus being seen as a transgressor will be fulfilled.
You are flirting with bearing false witness. And I am being generous.Where? You seem to be inserting text into the bible.
Denial is fascinating. We see it here. The text tells us why Jesus ordered the swords. So that a prophecy about Jesus being seen as a transgressor will be fulfilled.
This is a fact.
It is not open to debate.
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