Can a Christian be a Freemason???

wayseer said:

...So the secrets of a FM have to do with particular signs, tokens and grips - which serve to identify just who is or who is not a Mason - that's all. These signs, token and grips are still valued amongst FM today as part of the tradition. There are no other secrets. In fact if you do a search of the web these so-called secrets will readily be discovered - so even these are really not secrets any longer.

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Thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it.

I believe the FM still have secrets they aren't ever going to be willing to share with the rest of the world. But all I'm left with is my thoughts when they're pretty good at not letting any damning evidence leak out, you see.
And although I think it is possible I may be wrong on a few ideas, I don't doubt that they aren't revealing the truth about everything they practice.

NavyGuy7 said:

Basically... one can't serve God and his enemy, Satan, simultaneously.

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And where do you get your information that Masons 'serve' Satan? From Dan Brown and his ilk?

I believe the FM still have secrets they aren't ever going to be willing to share with the rest of the world.

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Would you care to retrace your steps and re-read my early post on secrets. It's sort of ironic that the biggest secret in FM is that there is no secrets.

But all I'm left with is my thoughts when they're pretty good at not letting any damning evidence leak out, you see.

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I would have thought the 'lack of evidence' proves the point - there is nothing to leak out.

And although I think it is possible I may be wrong on a few ideas

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Yes, you are. But you can overcome this lack by asking a few questions. I will do my best to answer them

I don't doubt that they aren't revealing the truth about everything they practice.

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Your use of a double negative sort of make this statement a nonsense. Perhaps you mean you do have doubts. But you are welcome to ask away.

marksman315 said:

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it.

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Your welcome.

I'm glad that some people, like wayseer, chose not to ignore what I wrote.

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Oh, I didn’t ignore it at all. I just saw what you were doing with it, and the method by which you were doing it. Naturally, you don’t want anyone pointing out that you are employing invalid argumentation, but that’s exactly what you do when your primary basis for your conclusions is “hearsay.”

I prefaced everything I said because I was not 100% sure, and I wanted to make it very clear that I was only going by hearsay or what I have watched on tv (you can blame the history channel and WVCY if you like).

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That's where so much nonsense starts, when people post "hearsay" without any investigation, and without being sure about what they're talking about.

And thank you for making it “very clear” that you were going by hearsay. That’s exactly my point, hearsay adds nothing to any discussion about Freemasonry. You seem to wish to dismiss it or excuse it, as though your “prefacing” your remarks in that manner somehow legitimizes the conclusions you introduce. For example:

I did not know how that Joseph Smith was a Freemason. That explains quite a bit about both organizations.

Once a person gets more into and higher up then things start shifting away from Christ.

It's a very similar thing that I have heard about Mormonism. Everything seems good at first until the hidden agendas start appearing.

From the things I heard before one of the hidden agendas "was" the creation of the United States.

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Those are some pretty stout conclusions to be asserting on a basis of “hearsay.” Let’s take a look at them individually:

I did not know how that Joseph Smith was a Freemason. That explains quite a bit about both organizations.

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Someone simply makes a comment about Joseph Smith being a Freemason, and you automatically infer that some kind of conclusion may be made from that??? What about the necessary task of looking into it for oneself? If you had done so, perhaps you would have found that he was made a Mason one day, and made a Master Mason the next, at a time when NO ONE was doing any such thing. Or, you might have discovered that the lodge which he joined churned out 250 Masons in a 6-month period, an astoundingly out-of-proportion figure for ANY lodge, in any PLACE, at any TIME. In fact, that was one of the key factors that drew the attention of the Grand Lodge which had granted the first charter in the area, and after investigation, all the Mormon lodges were declared clandestine and their membership suspended, a mere six months after the Nauvoo lodge had opened. Joseph Smith even made the claim in his journal that he officiated as Grand Chaplain at the installation of the Nauvoo Lodge in the morning, and in the evening of the same day he received the first degree of Masonry. Any Mason will easily see the irregularity of someone officiating as Grand Chaplain without ever having taken the first degree!!

Once a person gets more into and higher up then things start shifting away from Christ.

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York Rite is one of the bodies of “higher degrees,” and the lessons of York Rite are from the New Testament. When I petitioned for York Rite, a profession of an active Christian faith was required on the petition. Albert Mackey says in his Encyclopedia under “Lamb”:

In the high degrees, and in the degrees of chivalry, as in Christian iconography, the lamb is a symbol of Jesus Christ.

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In the 17th degree of Scottish Rite, part of the jewel of the degree is the Lamb lying on the book with seven seals.

It's a very similar thing that I have heard about Mormonism. Everything seems good at first until the hidden agendas start appearing.

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The only "hidden agendas" concerning Masonry that I have seen, are the hidden agendas of accusers who butcher the written material of any Mason's writing they can get their hands on, falsely creating accusations, out of the air in many cases. I won't bother naming names, we've done that so many times here most readers already know who those are.

Hearsay won’t cut it when there is no direct evidence to substantiate what is claimed. And no, I won’t blame any TV program based on your hearsay suggestion that I should do so. There is no connection between Mormonism and Masonry, other than the flimsy accusation based on Smith’s “membership” in a clandestine lodge, and a few similarities, whether real or imagined. I find it interesting that the same accusers who belittle the idea when I show direct connections with Christianity and the Bible, do a 180-degree turn when it comes to suggesting connections with groups which they wish to use to defame the lodge.

From the things I heard before one of the hidden agendas "was" the creation of the United States.

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Apparently you’ve swallowed another accusation without chewing even once, this one being the supposed “New World Order” that conspiracy theorists derive from “Novus Ordo Seclorum” that appears on the dollar bill. The “New World Order” referred to was the United States, not some fanciful idea of some secretive Masonic organization behind it. Nor was Washington, D.C. drawn by any Masonic blueprint. The supposed points for their geometric shapes are totally arbitrary. Nor do all the groupings of 13 on the dollar bill have any reference to Masonry. People forget there were 13 original colonies. Nor is the eye on the dollar a Masonic placement, it was chosen as a representation of the fact that the Providence of God was smiling favorably upon the new nation.

When the truth began being published about how ridiculous all the "Masonic dollar" nonsense truly is, a lot of accusers began backing away from it. We even had one anti-Masonic crusader on these forums who tried to claim he had never supported any of the accusations about the "Masonic dollar." That is, he made the claim until I posted his own words where he had done so. It's that smoke-and-mirrors, bait-and-switch inconsistency that exposes all the inventions they can create.

I believe the FM still have secrets they aren't ever going to be willing to share with the rest of the world. But all I'm left with is my thoughts when they're pretty good at not letting any damning evidence leak out, you see.

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Wow, sort of reminds me of the paranoia undergone by Captain McCrosky in the movie Airplane! when he was zoned out on amphetamines: when the suggestion was made to turn on the search lights for the plane to land, he quickly said “NO! That’s just what they’ll be expecting us to do!”

Everything you have been taught to believe is wrong. History is a lie. There is a secret earth from which you have been prevented ever finding out about. Your life has been controlled from the minute of your birth by sinister, secret forces. You are not paranoid enough because yes, they really are out to get you. Everything is a conspiracy and you have been duped. (Introduction, Conspiracy Files, by David Southwall and Sean Twist)

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Yes, there are huge implications about dire, sinister happenings. Could these evil Masons be playing a part in it? Surely it must the THEY who were responsible for the deaths of Kurt Cobain, JFK, Bruce Lee, John Lennon, Marilyn Monroe, Jim Morrison, Elvis Presley, Princess Di, Amelia Erhart, Jimmy Hoffa, Martin Luther King, RFK, Chandra Levy, David Kelly, Dorothy Kilgallen, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Sid Vicious. And they just HAVE to be allied with aliens, with UFO’s and secret bases on the moon, with the full cooperation of NASA, and a base of operations at Area 51. And don’t forget about their involvement with things like the Bermuda Triangle, the Pentagon damage in the 9/11 attack, the Sphinx, and Stonehenge. They were behind the development of the military-industrial complex, the Trilateral Commission, the events of Watergate, Pearl Harbor, the New World Order, and the European Union. They either created, or have infiltrated, the CIA, NASA, the Bilderberg Group, the KGB, M16, Mossad, the NSA, the Royal Family, the Vatican, Al-Qaeda, the Illuminati, the KKK, the Mafia, the Odessa, the Templars, and the Triads. They also have a hand in cloning, barcodes, microwave mind control, subliminal messages, and the Strategic Defense Initiative. They are responsible for the suppression of cancer cures, the concealment of technology that could produce vast amounts of free energy, the development of the AIDS virus, the Challenger explosion, the development of bird flu and of the SARS virus, the Jonestown Massacre, the Oklahoma bombing, Waco, Gulf War Syndrome, and the explosion of TWA Flight 800.

Never mind the fact that the connections can’t be found, I’m just SURE they had to have something to do with it, mainly because everybody says so. And if we can’t believe everybody, then just who CAN we believe??

Gee, it sure feels good to come clean and get all those secrets off my chest. I hope we can all rest easy now that I’ve let the cat out of the bag. Of course, there’s a lot of it I’m still trying to figure out, like why the Masons would go to so much trouble plotting to build a five-sided, satanic Pentagon, only to get involved also in the plot to bring about its destruction. And I’m having to watch my back pretty close now too, don’t wanna wind up like William Morgan, ya know. Guess I’ll have to tell the kids we’re putting off that beach trip—thinking about the rough sands of the sea and the tide ebbing and flowing twice in twenty-four hours, makes me a little bit queasy at the moment.

NavyGuy7 said:

You almost had it. Oh, and me not saying it... well, I had to go to bed, so all those posts after my last one on here... well, I was sleeping, and then I had to go to work. So now I'm back.
*coffee mug slides into hand, smug smile on face*
I mean merely this. Just as one can't drink tea and coffee simultaneously without ruining the flavor, it is also that one cannot serve God and... well, the verse says "Money" but I think in this case it would be much more accurate to say "Lucifer"; without the truth being distorted, in any case.
Basically... one can't serve God and his enemy, Satan, simultaneously. Because attempting to do both would be a deadly contradiction.

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I see your point, and I whole-heartedly agree with you!


Fortunately, Freemasonry has nothing to do with Satan.

NavyGuy7 said:

I believe the FM still have secrets they aren't ever going to be willing to share with the rest of the world. But all I'm left with is my thoughts when they're pretty good at not letting any damning evidence leak out, you see.
And although I think it is possible I may be wrong on a few ideas, I don't doubt that they aren't revealing the truth about everything they practice.

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It's kinda funny... only because I pretty much assumed the same thing prior to joining. After I was raised, I started glancing at a few books and websites on Freemasonry. I was shocked at how many of the "secrets" I had just learned were readily available to anyone willing to look.

Online, I've actually found the written version of the oaths taken at the three degrees, and the signs, tokens, and words that a mason identifies himself with.

At first, I was suprised... but then I realized that none of this information was particularly arranged in any way that would actually allow a non-mason to fake membership. Furthermore, with the abundance of anti-mason sites and articles, the legitimate information is buried underneath mounds of speculation and imagination.

Bottom line... all of the information is out there. You want to know the "secret" to deciding what's legitimate and what's not?



Here's the hint....






you ready for this?





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The legitimate stuff is boring. If you're reading something and it's not particularly interesting... chances are, you've found the right info.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CVNf7XI_Ds&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oohv17NTLi8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3am2TDIqKEo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijm4chsVTZo

Simple Yes or No answer Masons is your fraternity Occult or not does it have occult origins.Now i know most mainstream posters on CF are little SIMPLE when it comes to esoteric matters or neocons that know alright,however are in delibrate denial mode. However this is a thread dedicated to such subject matter so hopefully it wont be too much for you all to bear so I would really like you dim wits and deniers to watch the above productions.

misfitforfaith said:

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/
Simple Yes or No answer Masons is your fraternity Occult or not does it have occult origins.Now i know most mainstream posters on CF are little SIMPLE when it comes to esoteric matters or neocons that know alright,however are in delibrate denial mode. However this is a thread dedicated to such subject matter so hopefully it wont be too much for you all to bear so I would really like you dim wits and deniers to watch the above productions.

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I'll have to check out the videos when I get home... but I'll be looking forward to a good laugh.

Simple yes or no? Ok... No, Freemasonry is not occult, it is not a cult, and it does not have occult origins.

See, that wasn't so hard... although it's funny that you phrased the question as if you thought anyone here had dodged the question somewhere else in the thread... I would love for you to find ONE place where that happened.

Oh... and before you go citing freemasonrywatch... you might want to check your sources... Freemasonrywatch has been repeatedly addressed in this thread and others. It's little more than a conspiracy theory site with various quotes taken out of context and given far more credence than their due.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/watchy.htm

dim wits and deniers

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You captured the Freemasonrywatch group very well with the "dim wits" for sure. It didn't take long into the first video before their true colors showed through, they are paranoid conspiracy-phobes of the first order. The fellow in the video, from what they claimed, was an "ex-Illuminist." Strange, the guy doesn't look like he could even be much over 50 at the most, no one would suspect the guy was over 200 years old. The Illuminati were disbanded in 1784 or '85 and the organization has not existed since that time except in the minds of the paranoid and the delusional.

Simple yes or no? Ok... No, Freemasonry is not occult, it is not a cult, and it does not have occult origins.

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It's just as simple as that.

misfitforfaith said:

Simple Yes or No answer Masons is your fraternity Occult or not does it have occult origins.Now i know most mainstream posters on CF are little SIMPLE when it comes to esoteric matters or neocons that know alright,however are in delibrate denial mode. However this is a thread dedicated to such subject matter so hopefully it wont be too much for you all to bear so I would really like you dim wits and deniers to watch the above productions.

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A Person who actually thinks there is substance to those 'productions' has the nerve to call someone else a dim wit? I hate to say it (being a Christian myself) but Christians sure are gullible!

Maybe I'll start touring the congregations and spread 'the truth' about occultism. All they want is a horror story. Easy money.

Rev Wayne,

I believe you wish I would have rather just kept things to myself. This is a place for discussion, and I can only mention from what I know. It seems like I have offended you greatly in this, or else you just want me to stay in the "dark"? I was actually listening to all sides, but it seems you are having more fun attacking my thoughts and intellect. If that's the way you want to be then I just won't listen to you. It's obvious you hold yourself higher than all others.

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Rev Wayne,

I believe you wish I would have rather just kept things to myself. This is a place for discussion, and I can only mention from what I know. It seems like I have offended you greatly in this, or else you just want me to stay in the "dark"? I was actually listening to all sides, but it seems you are having more fun attacking my thoughts and intellect. If that's the way you want to be then I just won't listen to you. It's obvious you hold yourself higher than all others.

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Wayne's just a bit worked up. After dealing with 40 pages of it here... and another 50+ pages of it on another anti-mason thread... all the while having to respond to the same series of rediculous claims...

...it gets old. My patience gave way a while ago... it seems Wayne is losing his too.

This is a place for discussion, and I can only mention from what I know.

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For once, I agree, and I enter into discussion in much the same manner. And one thing I know is, what I have "heard" does not qualify as matter for legitimate discussion, nor does anything that I have heard qualify as something I "know." So things that I hear, I question, and seek verification before I speak. In fact, I have learned, when it comes to arguments against Freemasonry, it pays not to believe even what you READ, for there have been some well-known and documented cases of people being fast and loose with the manner in which they cite Masonic sources, even to the point of flat-out lying.

All I ask--and I have not been alone in this by ANY means, so please don't single me out as though I were--is that any accusation against Freemasonry be supported with something besides hearsay and personal opinion, otherwise it is no "discussion," it is an opinion poll. If I seem to have been harsh, forgive me, but the most recent post re your comments, comes on the heels of a post in which you seemed to be trying to justify the idea that hearsay is legitimate argument, and I can assure you it is not.

It doesn't get any more difficult than that around here----if this were formal debate, you can rest assured the standards would be far stricter than simply objecting to hearsay opinions.

I was actually listening to all sides, but it seems you are having more fun attacking my thoughts and intellect. If that's the way you want to be then I just won't listen to you.

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Several people have posted here in the same manner in which you have, that is, hearsay and rumor without any substantial foundation for one's claims against Freemasonry. More than once, there have been requests for corroboration, and more than once they have been ignored, not just by you, but by others posting here as well. I have not been the only one, by far, who has requested either sources for accusations made, or clarification/corroboration of information which one claims as "truth."

I think the attempt to categorize my request for corroboration as "attacking your thoughts and intellect," is disingenuous at best. After all, subsequent to your claims, someone has now made the attempt to support their claims by quoting from Freemasonrywatch, which is probably the most UNreliable source anyone could find ANYwhere about Freemasonry. It was quickly pointed out to the poster that the source is completely unreliable, and a link was posted to a source which very clearly outlines the reasons why it is so. But I don't see Misfitforfaith objecting to our comments as "attacking his thoughts and intellect."

No one is asking anything of you that is not asked of anyone else. The only thing different in your case is, for some reason you seem to believe I am the only one who has spoken up to point out that you make unsupported accusations, and so you take aim at me as though there were some issue on my part----I assure you there is not.

If someone makes an erroneous claim here against Freemasonry, and does not support it with anything substantial, I will call them on it any time. Nor will I be the only one, so get used to it if you choose to continue posting in the manner you have grown accustomed to. I really couldn't care less if I don't win any popularity contests in which accusers of Masonry are the judges. On this or any thread on Freemasonry, I am interested only in addressing claims made against Freemasonry, and since you have shown an interest in making those claims, your arguments have drawn my attention, as well as the attention of some others here. If an argument is invalid, I believe this is the place to address the argument and point out the reason for its being invalid. That is, after all, one of the general procedures of discussion on this or any other subject.

I think if you will consider the exchanges between us, you will find that I address arguments and not persons. If you feel that anything I have said may be taken otherwise, you have my apology beforehand, for I assure you none of my remarks have been so intended. I have not said anything about your unsupported comments that I have not said about the unsupported comments of others besides yourself, that they lack credibility if supported by nothing but opinion or hearsay. I stand by that assessment of the comments offered by several who have posted here. You are not alone, nor have I singled you out for any personal censure, as you seem to believe. There have been plenty of others who have been called on it when they post information that is not supported, or information that comes from highly unreliable sources. (If you don't agree, I simply refer you to the most recent post by izarya to misfitforfaith, which comes far closer to "attacking one's thoughts and intellect" than anything I might have said to you.)

Since there seems to have been a bit of silence on the part of others here who might be in agreement with me, I simply appeal to those who have not rung in on this matter: have I said anything about marksman's comments that I have not already said about several others who have posted similar unsupported arguments? Is there any reason to consider any of my remarks an "attack" against marksman's "thoughts and intellect?"

My patience gave way a while ago... it seems Wayne is losing his too.

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Not really. But with the latest approach of those posting here, of making any statement they wish without any need to back it up with any substance, I most definitely have turned it up a notch lately. I don't call that "losing patience," I simply think we have ample reason to expect better from our accusers. Unsupported claims garner no support for any argument, nor should they deserve it even if they did.

Just as an example of what happens when hearsay goes unchecked:

In May of 2005 on a thread here at christianforums, I took exception to the selective mis-quoting of a paragraph by Manly Palmer Hall. In the quote, Hall was making comments about a "fraternity within a fraternity," and the accuser who had cited it was using the quotation to make points about (1) ignorance of Masons at the "lower degrees," and (2) the supposed involvement of Masonry in trying to set up a "New World Order" as an end-times, anti-Christian, satanic ruling power over all the earth. (It can't be ascertained for certain just where this ridiculous miscegenation began, but I did notice that a lot of the repetitious websites which bothered to give any source citation, had cited cuttingedge.org, another site known for false or misleading information about Masonry.)

The quote itself had been sliced and diced so bad as to be devoid of any original intent it may have had. Hall was actually talking about Masonry's past, not its future, and the "fraternity within a fraternity" was not some end-times plot, it was simply Hall's admiration and respect for Masons of days gone by, who had been "veritable princes of truth."

In this quote, Hall had referred to this "inner fraternity" as an "arcanum arcanorum," a Latin term which he equates with "holy of holies." Accusers quickly seized upon this particular quote with zeal, eager to put some feet on their claims of Masonic aims at world domination. But as they did so, the Latin terms got butchered so that it appeared as "arcannum arcandrum."

When I did the 2005 piece on the error, on a thread titled "The Antimasonic Propaganda Machine," I had done a browser search and turned up 17 links to various sites with the same misspelling. These were not "coincidences," since all of them also had the same ellipses in the quote in exactly the same places. My point at the time (and now) was that accusers of Masonry simply parrot the things they hear or read from other accusers, with no one bothering to even verify that the quote came from Hall, or that it was cited accurately and in accord with the context and original intent of the author.

I revisited the quote in 2006, when someone had once again posted it, making the same accusations about "New World Order" and Masonry's alleged involvement in some nefarious plot. The second time around, I did the browser search again, and this time turned up no less than 30 websites with the same misspellings and ellipses.

Even as I mention these things, I decided to do a browser search again, and this time the search pulled up 289 direct hits!! When I shortened the first word to "arcanum" while leaving the second one misspelled, I pulled up another 129 hits on sites repeating the same accusations.

That's an awful lot of cut & paste, folks. And it's also a lot of untruth being spread by those who often claim, ironically, to be dedicated to the task of revealing the "truth" about Freemasonry.

Rumor, distortions, and misrepresentations are a HUGE part of the whole problem with the proliferation of conspiratorial-minded material, much of which people engage in with an impunity they would not dare consider when involved in discussion of other topics.

Put me down as one who insists upon getting one's facts straight, documenting one's claims, and in stopping this festering antimasonic stream at its font.

misfitforfaith said:

Simple Yes or No answer Masons is your fraternity Occult or not does it have occult origins.

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Simply answer - depends.

The operative masons worked in stone and built the many cathedrals and castles which still remain dotted all over Europe. These were illiterate men but they knew one secret - geometry - and it was the use of geometry that allowed such massive buildings to be completed. However, geometry was, at that time, declared an occult by the Roman Catholic Church.

That should give you something to think about while watching your Mickey Mouse cartoons.

marksman315 said:

Rev Wayne,

I believe you wish I would have rather just kept things to myself. This is a place for discussion, and I can only mention from what I know. It seems like I have offended you greatly in this, or else you just want me to stay in the "dark"? I was actually listening to all sides, but it seems you are having more fun attacking my thoughts and intellect. If that's the way you want to be then I just won't listen to you. It's obvious you hold yourself higher than all others.

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Marksman - I think that is an unfair challenge. Wayne has, as far as I can tell, responded to your questions - a bit wordier than me perhaps. Perhaps those responses are not what you wanted but as you quite rightly indicated - this is a discussion thread. Perhaps you cut a little slack here.

Hey Wayseer,

I see that you are an Anglican from Australia. And, I notice from your post in this thread, that you are a member and staunch defender of the Masonic Order. Can you explain your deliberate rebellion against the clear position of your own denomination by you being a Mason? According to the following statement, I'd say you are not only in deliberate rebellion against their position, but against God as well.

Diocese of Sydney Anglican Synod Statement on Freemasonry (October 20, 2003)​

RESOLUTION 25/03 - FREEMASONRY

Synod, noting the 1988 Report to Synod entitled "Freemasonry Examined" and subsequent resolution 9/88 of that Synod -

(a) affirms that Freemasonry and Christianity are fundamentally and irreconcilably incompatible, and

(b) affirms that Freemasonry teaches and upholds a system of false religious and spiritual beliefs that are contrary to biblical Christianity.

Synod encourages ministers and other Christians to take every opportunity to reach out in love to all Freemasons and share with them the gospel of Christ.

Synod encourages all Christians who are members of a Masonic Lodge to demonstrate their commitment to Jesus Christ as the divine Son of God and as the sole way of salvation, by withdrawing from the Lodge. Synod (although not Rev. Wayne's denomination) encourages ministers not to participate in, nor allow in their church buildings, any religious services or activities that uphold, condone, promote or encourage adherence to Freemasonry.

Synod requests the Councils of all Anglican Schools to consider any association that their school may have with any Masonic Lodge, and to withdraw from any such association. Synod further requests that Anglican Schools neither participate in any activity that may uphold, condone, promote or encourage adherence to Freemasonry, nor give publicity to any such activity, nor allow the name of the school to be used in association with any such activity.

Synod requests Standing Committee to undertake the preparation, production and distribution of a clear and unambiguous booklet suitable for wide distribution, examining the key rites, teachings and beliefs of Freemasonry and explaining why they differ from Biblical Christianity, and explaining why it is wrong for a Christian to belong to the Lodge.

(The Rev Bill Winthrop - 20.10.03) http://www.cesnur.org/2003/mass.htm (emphasis added)

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O.F.F. said:

Hey Wayseer,

I see that you are an Anglican from Australia. And, I notice from your post in this thread, that you are a member and staunch defender of the Masonic Order. Can you explain your deliberate rebellion against the clear position of your own denomination by you being a Mason? According to the following statement, I'd say you are not only in deliberate rebellion against their position, but against God as well.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it's because he's a rational person and he's capable of thinking for himself.

However... I will take this moment to once again appreciate the irony in how religion seperates mankind... and to appreciate the wisdom of masons in keeping it out of the lodge.