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&Abel

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stop twisting the scripture please
 
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Johnny Dalmas

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stop twisting the scripture please

Just read Matthew chapter 23 in context. Jesus was in the process of condeming the Pharisees. He was not discussing salvation. He was prophesying the destruction of Jerusalem and giving the Pharisees a piece of his mind.

And don't accuse me of "twisting scriptures" again. I don't take kindly to being accused of blasphemy.
 
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Rick Otto

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Since Adam and Eve 'fell' (despite living in the presence of God), is this "utter depravity" part of the "image of God" in man ?
No, it's what happened to the image & likeness.
Images & likenesses can be defaced, God cannot.
 
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Rick Otto

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Originally Posted by Johnny Dalmas

I would appreciate it if you would no longer post a response to anything I say.
unfortunately that is one choice god has not given you
It's one He's giving you.
 
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Rick Otto

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But the image of God, if Adam and Eve were 'predestined', must then include utter depravity for them to fall.
The way they were designed to exist as creatures is not the same as their destiny - what they do with that existance.
 
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And, because we are created in His image, sin must be part of the image (because we do not have the freedom to not sin) which makes God the origin of sin, meaning sin is inherent in God.
That doesn't necessarily follow.
The way Adam was composed as a creature is not the same topic as his destiny as that creature; intimately related, but different.
 
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