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Yes, Olsen believes in "bondage of the will" so much that he doesn't even beleive regeneration is necessary, just some weird half-way grace that the Bible never teaches, prevenient grace!
Please learn to spell his surname. His name is Roger E Olson.
Please provide the documentation that Roger Olson, an Arminian theologian, does not believe regeneration is necessary.
Oz
If he can't represent Calvinism accurately, why should I type his name accurately?
It's simple. He's a synergist, which by necessity means he doesn't believe regeneration is necessary for a sinner to come to faith in Jesus and repent of his sins.
In his system, all that is required is "prevenient grace", which the Bible doesn't teach.
This is a red herring. I asked: 'Please provide the documentation that Roger Olson, an Arminian theologian, does not believe regeneration is necessary'.
You have provided ZERO documentation. What you have written is your own assertion, but without primary evidence from Roger E Olson, an Arminian theologian.
I'm waiting for evidence to support your assertion.
In Post #223 OzSpen said:
Would it be considered inappropriate for me to counsel OzSpen not to hold his breath?
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Please remember that goading is a violation. Address the topic, not the person or their character.
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If you have an issue, please bring it to the Member Services Center.The topic that Skala raised, that Roger Olson does not believe in regeneration, was pursued by me and I asked him for evidence from Olson to support his claim. Zero evidence was provided by this person.
Are you going to ask him to provide the evidence I sought instead of goading me by providing zero evidence and erecting straw men fallacies?
Oz
The topic that Skala raised, that Roger Olson does not believe in regeneration, was pursued by me and I asked him for evidence from Olson to support his claim. Zero evidence was provided by this person.
Oz
Well, actually he can, and does.If he can't represent Calvinism accurately,
Because he is a committed Christian!why should I type his name accurately?
Here we go with the rot and false witnessIt's simple. He's a synergist, which by necessity means he doesn't believe regeneration is necessary for a sinner to come to faith in Jesus and repent of his sins.
And it gets worse. He does not have a "system".In his system, all that is required is "prevenient grace",..
I lean towards Calvinism because God is all knowing. He knows who will choose Him and who will not. He elects those that he knows has a true heart for Him.
Beginning with the Romantics, however, artists began to renounce rules and methods as nothing but dead conventions. Their goal was the free unleashing of inner energies and impulses from the unconscious. Looking at a work of art, you were no longer supposed to ask, Is it a good example of the rules of the craft? but only, Does it express the artist’s inner vision? Artists “focused more on the process of externalizing consciousness than on the resultant work of art.” What counted was not aesthetic quality, but how well the image embodied the artist consciousness.
Word Definitions as requested.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ (hi-lights in red are mine)
WCF and Dort use the word 'Predestine' and 'Foreordain' a lot.
Definition of predestine
transitive verb
: to destine, decree, determine, appoint, or settle beforehand
Definition of predestinate
: destined, fated, or determined beforehand
Obviously we look past the word in blue. BUT, 'foreordain' has the SAME meaning as 'predestine' which means 'determine'. The words are interchangeable. Has this cleared things up? Please check any other dictionary if Webster's has got it wrong.
If you look at how the words are actually used in the Scriptures you will find that God predestines people not things and He foreordains things not people.In another thread we have come to an impasse with the meaning of words.
I wrote this:
I was informed with:
"All of these words mean something completely different when used in another context, and a general definition does little more than give a meaning that incorporates all of the possible uses at once."
Webster's does give many meanings for these words but I have focused on the Biblical ones. I have asked where these words mean something completely different and what is that different meaning.
The reason I ask is because Westminster Confessions says:
CHAPTER 1 Part 7.
"All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, Nor alike clear unto all yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation, are so clearly propounded, and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them."
Therefore, I assert, an unlearned person such as myself in the due use of ordinary means - a dictionary - may attain sufficient understanding of those things necessary for salvation.
Can anybody help with how these words mean something completely different?
And the difference is ?If you look at how the words are actually used in the Scriptures you will find that God predestines people not things and He foreordains things not people.
How the Scriptures use the words. Destiny is concerned with people not things. Foreordination concerns God's ordering of events in His wise providence to bring to pass His purpose.
(Rom 8:29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.Thanks Twin.
Please could you give some examples. I see a lot of writing where the terms are use interchangeably, hence I am confused for one.
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