Calvinism on the Sly

[nill]

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Because you're uncomfortable with the idea of God being God? Because you have no comprehension of the person and work of Christ? Because your self-righteous works are important to you? Just some guesses. Was I close?

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You'd be funny if you weren't so seriously wrong. And serious about staying wrong. I was about to answer the rest. Then I read it. And I see it's pretty much full of nothing useful. Not that I have anything useful to say, either (except correction to your pitifully blasphemous man-centered theology, but I figure that your love for free will is stronger than Romeo's was for Juliet). But sometimes, someone like you comes along and gives me much needed release. It's like you're painting a big, red circle marked "Bullseye! Hit me, I'm annoying!" on it.

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I feel really sorry for Jesus if He has to stand there and listen to your whiny voice.

"Buh- buh- buh- but Jeeeeesuuuuus!!! Look at all my works! I was such a goooood boyyyyy!"


=


Salvation



By



Works.





And you stink worse than hog. That has been rotting for eighteen weeks. In an ocean. Of sour milk. And eggs.

You stink of works-based salvation.

 

[nill]

This is what you get when I post at 2:30 in the morning.

 

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, Cfmember

The list was not to impress you, but to shaow that Frank Page understood the contribution of such men to the historic Faith. Thus the need for dialog on the issue with in the SBC.

Which for some reson you are unable to do.

Not J.M Boyce, But...

James P. Boyce
First President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
President, 1872-79, 1888

As to Baptism:

The 1689 Baptist confession of Faith:

Chapter 29: Of Baptism

1. Baptism is an ordinance of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, to be unto the party baptized, a sign of his fellowship with him, in his death and resurrection; of his being engrafted into him; of remission of sins; and of giving up into God, through Jesus Christ, to live and walk in newness of life.
( Romans 6:3-5; Colossians 2;12; Galatians 3:27; Mark 1:4; Acts 22:16; Romans 6:4 )

2. Those who do actually profess repentance towards God, faith in, and obedience to, our Lord Jesus Christ, are the only proper subjects of this ordinance.
( Mark 16:16; Acts 8:36, 37; Acts 2:41; Acts 8:12; Acts 18:8 )

3. The outward element to be used in this ordinance is water, wherein the party is to be baptized, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
( Matthew 28:19, 20; Acts 8:38 )

4. Immersion, or dipping of the person in water, is necessary to the due administration of this ordinance. ( Matthew 3:16; John 3:23 )

New Hapshire confession:

Of Baptism and the Lord's Supper We believe that Christian Baptism is the immersion in water of a believer (72), into the name of the Father, and Son, and Holy Ghost (73); to show forth, in a solemn and beautiful emblem, our faith in the crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, with its effect in our death to sin and resurrection to a new life (74); that it is prerequisite to the privileges of a Church relation; and to the Lord's Supper (75), in which the members of the Church, by the sacred use of bread and wine, are to commemorate together the dying love of Christ (76); preceded always by solemn self- examination (77).

http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/1833newh.htm


In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, Cfmember

No I really never wondered why...

I have seen nothing from you that would show that you have any understanding of what Calvinism teaches, nor it's history.

Rather you rail against what you think Calvinism is, in short you bulid your self a straw man and then burn it down......

In Him,

Bill

 

[heymikey80]

Heh, I guess cfmember's posts have been blocked.

In any event, it's really clear that this person has zero concept of what Calvinism actually states; that in this view lies nothing more than ordaining perfect punishment for evil thoughts, wills, and actions, and that by deduction all sinful people will be equally deserving of such punishment when judgment comes.

Everyone should be apprised of this judgment -- every relative, every person. Trying to protect people from it only serves to seal their condemnation, to protect them from the real death that awaits them. We shouldn't try to shield people from the physical death that awaits us all. Spiritual death is much more cautionary, and the escape is at hand.

 

[rockytrails]

calvanism on the sly

is called

Crypto Calvinism.

Sine the Calvinist and lutherans have lived side by side
and even in our histories have been "forced "to worship together .

Lutherans are very familar with what we call
Crypto CalvInism.


No one understands the calvanist as well as the Lutheran.

Since our competing theologies Both include a strong bible belief in
Divine monogism
With Jesus Christ his completed works for all at the center in Luthers theology
and Gods sovernty at the center in Calvins theology.

For those interested both calvinist and non calvinists
in the history of Crypto Calvinism here is a exellant source.

http://www.wlsessays.net/authors/K/KosankeCalvinism/KosankeCalvinism.PDF

 

[heymikey80]

The coffee isn't on yet. rocky's not awakened to smell it.

For what it's worth, the OP isn't even near what Lutherans call cryptocalvinism. That's a Westphalian witch hunt which succeeded in dominating the Lutheran church after Luther died -- and against his own personally-preferred successors.

You have every right in this country to run off and make your own little Lutheran club and call it a church. I'll prefer to commune with everyone who relies on Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Calvinists have no qualms about being Calvinists. What we have a problem with is Lutherans wanting to divide with us over the physical presence of Christ's body, and claiming it's absolutely critical to Christianity. I daresay Peter had not the slightest idea that he was eating the sacraments with Christ's physical body accompanying the bread, His physical blood accompanying the wine. I think Peter recognized that Christ's resurrected Body was in heaven.

 

[seekingpurity047]

heymikey, you totally killed this debate lol... good job