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If you are biased against Calvinist, why should I spend time with you?
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If you are biased against Calvinist, why should I spend time with you?I re-edited my post for better clarification. Please hit the refresh button. My point was for YOU to clarify what you meant. Your not doing that. But this is a common tactic among Calvinists.
This is not imputed on the unborn. They are innocent. Generational sin is in error. Those who are born with severe mental disabilities are in the category as well.But they sinned in Adam. What Adam did in the Garden was imputed to all his posterity, including you and I. When he ate of that tree, we were in him, as he was our federal head. It was just as if you and I had ate of that tree.
Adam proved his species is corrupt. No need to test the whole bunch individually.
Adam proved his species is corrupt. No need to test the whole bunch individually.
As I was thinking on total depravity and the west-borrow baptist church(calvinist extremists), I had this thought about calvinism taken to its logical end. What are your thoughts on this?
A calvinist would say that God hates sin and the sinner(hence Limited Atonement):
“The LORD tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.”
Psalms 11:5 NKJV
And we glorify God in His holiness and judgement of sin. So lets take this to its logical extreme:
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
Psalms 51:5 NKJV
So how does a calvinist take issue with abortion? If an infant has sinful nature at conception, and dies in the womb, shouldnt the calvinist glorify God for punishing the sinner? Shouldnt calvinists glorify abortion because God is judging sinners?
For everyone?I agree with you that all died in Adam. A baby does not have an eternal body that will never grow up to never sin because they sinned in Adam. For the baby is a part of Adam. All babies who grow up have an inclination to sin because of the stain of Adam. This is what condemns the body of the baby to death. But I believe Jesus reverses the curse, though.
Hello Zoidar,Nothing I wrote was an argument against that.
While I am strongly against Calvinism, I believe our Lord is sovereign. I believe God chooses those souls in whom He knew would be faithful to Him to be aborted babies. For God knows the end from the beginning.
Babies are not born innocent. You’re teaching Pelagianism, which is heresy. If babies are innocent, they can not die, as the wages of sin is death.This is not imputed on the unborn. They are innocent. Generational sin is in error. Those who are born with severe mental disabilities are in the category as well.
The only scriptural evidence that supports your version has been refuted by Jewish Rabbis and scholars of the like. King David was always known as a child born out of sin his mother comitted.
Adam proved his species is corrupt. No need to test the whole bunch individually.
Babies are not born innocent. You’re teaching Pelagianism, which is heresy. If babies are innocent, they can not die, as the wages of sin is death.
Good question,Who, why, what is an elect baby???
In that passage, the fathers are not representing their sons. Adam represented his posterity and when he sinned, that was imputed unto them. You’re conflating these two accounts.So your saying that unborn infants are being punished for sins they haven’t committed yet or for Adam’s sin which is contrary to Ezekiel 18:19-20
I agree with you that all died in Adam. A baby does not have an eternal body that will never grow up to never sin because they sinned in Adam. For the baby is a part of Adam. All babies who grow up have an inclination to sin because of the stain of Adam. This is what condemns the body of the baby to death. But I believe Jesus reverses the curse, though.
They sinned in Adam. When Adam sinned, that was imputed unto them, and it’s as if they did it themselves. And yes, she’s teaching Pelagianism. He taught that Adam’s sin only affected him, and that babies are born innocent. He denied original sin, just as she seems to do.First of all that is not even close to Pelagianism. Pelagian taught that we could achieve sinlessness on our own merit which is way off from what this person said. Second we’re talking about abortion which is about an infant before it is even born in fact it’s not even fully developed yet. What sin have these unborn infants committed?
That’s like saying you got the flu, but not the virus. You can’t inherit one w/o the other.We inherited Adam’s sinful nature not the guilt of his sin.
They sinned in Adam. When Adam sinned, that was imputed unto them, and it’s as if they did it themselves. And yes, she’s teaching Pelagianism. He taught that Adam’s sin only affected him, and that babies are born innocent. He denied original sin, just as she seems to do.
Let’s let the Bible have the final say, okay?This is not imputed on the unborn. They are innocent. Generational sin is in error. Those who are born with severe mental disabilities are in the category as well.
The only scriptural evidence that supports your version has been refuted by Jewish Rabbis and scholars of the like. King David was always known as a child born out of sin his mother comitted.
It’s pretty self explanatory. This is displaying God’s electing love.Your interpretation of Romans 9:11 please.
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