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Calvinism and Abortion

Dave L

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You need to keep the law (free will) and grace (purely a gift of salvation, no strings attached) separate.
 
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One side always uses John 3:16 as their default position and they think we reformed folk have it blotted out of our bibles. They use it to say God loves everybody w/o exception, and “He hates the sin but loves the sinner.” But then there’s this: Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.[1 John 2:15] So, if we use their hermeneutic, if we love everybody w/o exception, God’s love is not in us. But “world” rarely(I can find one verse in John 1:10 where I believe “world” means everybody w/o exception) means everybody w/o exception.
 
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While I am strongly against Calvinism, I believe our Lord is sovereign. I believe God chooses those souls in whom He knew would be faithful to Him to be aborted babies. For God knows the end from the beginning.

As for sin corrupting mankind: Well, I believe there are many verses that suggest that believers are to overcome mortal sin. Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. Romans 13:14 says put on the Lord Jesus Christ and do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. 1 Peter 4:1-2 says that a believer who suffers in the flesh can cease from sin (i.e. mortal sin). In fact, 1 Peter 4:1-2 tells us that we shoud not live the rest of our time to the lusts of the flesh, but to the will of God. 2 Corinthians 7:1 says, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Some Christians believe in the Dual Nature teaching. This is the belief that a believer will always commit mortal sin in their physical body (and they can never stop), but they are saved spiritually because Jesus paid for all the future sin. However, I don't believe this kind of teaching is remotely biblical by any stretch. For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). Jesus said that everyone who does not do what He says is like a fool who built his house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house (Matthew 7:26-27). Acts of the Apostles 3:23 says that any soul who does not hear the prophet (i.e. JESUS) they shall be detroyed.
 
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You need to keep the law (free will) and grace (purely a gift of salvation, no strings attached) separate.

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

As for Paul's reference of the word “law” generically. He was referring to the 613 Laws of Moses and not the commands of Jesus Christ.
 
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How can God know anything he did not predestinate?
 
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The flesh is all you have to work with before being born again. And nothing in it desires the true Christ.
 
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The flesh is all you have to work with before being born again. And nothing in it desires the true Christ.

So you believe God forces some people to live holy? Do you believe that believers who believe as you do, never slip into sin? If so, what do they do? Do they confess and forsake sin? Is there any point they overcome mortal sin? Or must they sin again? Most Christians I know say that they cannot stop sinning this side of Heaven. Is that what you believe? What about the prodigal son? Was he saved while he was in his sins?
 
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If you experience the New Birth, it is a love for God and holiness before all else. You will hate sin and love righteousness.
 
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If you experience the New Birth, it is a love for God and holiness before all else. You will hate sin and love righteousness.

That's not really an answer to my questions. It's a vague and evasive answer.
 
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Misses the point of my question. Is every single abortion a specific act of the will of God to condemn each baby to death for their sinfulness?

What sin has anyone committed before they were born?
 
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The wages of sin is death[Romans 6:23]. If babies haven’t sinned, then how do many die in the womb and in infancy?
This is referring to the second death.
 
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How can anything exist if God did not create it?

Still not getting it. Please do not come off as being mysterious about your beliefs here. Please give me as much as information as possible.
 
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I’ll ask you the same question what sin has an unborn infant committed?
 
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How can truth be evasive?

I re-edited my post for better clarification. Please hit the refresh button. My point was for YOU to clarify what you meant. Your not doing that. But this is a common tactic among Calvinists.
 
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