Calling all Young Earth Creationists!!

[Bonhoffer]

I'm a YEC by faith in Gods Word. My theology is conservative. However most (but not all) of my political veiws would be classed as liberal.
I am strongly against the Bush administration, the war in Iraq and theocracy.
However I also beleive abortion to be wrong and would like to see it banned as soon as the scientific evidence for "abortion=murder" has a strong enough legal case. (something I keep praying for)

I also beleive in seperation of church and state and gay civil unions (but not marriage).

As far as teaching about the origins of the world in schools this is my approach.Christian schools should be allowed to teach creationism and creation science as long as it is taught honestly. They should also be forced by law to teach the basics of evolutionary theory and the evidence supporting it. This is to ensure that students who go on to study science at college havent missed out on learning, and it would also allow budding creationists to understand the 'opposition'!

For public schools evolution should be taught, but not as fact. It should be taught as the most well-supported theory or most accepted theory. Both the theory and the evidence should be taught. Creation Science as a whole has not yet reached enough scientific credibility to be taught in schools. However science teachers should announce that some people reject evolution and beleive in the Biblical account.
Science teachers should perhaps teach those areas of Creation Science which are credible, (i.e intelligent design) and should perhaps bring up some of the flaws of evolutionary theory. (i.e the chance that everything happened by random chance is 25,000-1 or whatever!)

This is the most honest way to deal with things.

Anyhow I have created this thread in order to find out the political opinions of my fellow YEC'rs. I am the only liberal YEC on these forums?

Please can any other YEC who are also liberal politically post underneath to hear your veiws. But I want ALL YECs who visit this thread to vote above.

 

[Bushido216]

The problem with teaching Creationism theology is that it is... theology. Requiring separation of church and state requires not teaching creation theology, or else you'd have to teach Native American theology as well, Norse theology, Hindu theology, etc.

Also, a note on evolution. Evolution is both theory and fact. Evolution occuring and its mechanics, the fossil record, etc. is the fact portion. The theory portion is us taking those facts and coming up with what we believe our evolutionary history is.

 

[Ave Maria]

Politically, I consider myself to be Conservative.

 

[PotLuck]

The problem with teaching Creationism theology is that it is... theology. Requiring separation of church and state requires not teaching creation theology, or else you'd have to teach Native American theology as well, Norse theology, Hindu theology, etc.

Also, a note on evolution. Evolution is both theory and fact. Evolution occuring and its mechanics, the fossil record, etc. is the fact portion. The theory portion is us taking those facts and coming up with what we believe our evolutionary history is.

Hi all,
First I'd like to point out that "separation of church and state" isn't in the US constitution as many believe. It seems to be a phrase coined for those wanting to quiet the conservative element and it seems to be working because many never bother to look at the constitution to see what it really says.

I think teaching creation can be accepted in schools if other views of the "factual data" were interpreted in another way other than the interputation given to us by the secular side of science. Science is god-given so we may see more of the glory of creation and stand in ever-increasing awe of the work of God.

Anyway, I'm a bit hesitant about "the fossil record" in that when something dies chances are there is another organism that will feed on the dead carcase... unless that carcase is quickly made unavailable. Even bones deteriate if left in the open sea or on land. It's my belief that most of the fossil record we have could very well have been produced during the Great Flood. At any rate, the dead animal or plant needs to be covered quickly (some fossils even show the finest of details like fur or super fine bone) and I believe that's why there's not that many fossils being produced today in comparision to something as catastrophic as the Great Flood. Fossils don't seem to be produced over a long period of time but by being covered quickly and made unavailable to the scavengers in the food chain.

I live near the Rocky Mountains and I see humongous slabs of rock sitting on edge that make up the greater part of an entire mountain. It's commonly believed these slabs were pushed upward by the tectonic plate theory. That may very well be the case but there could be another way to look at this. The bible gives evidence that the waters of the Great Flood not only came from the heavens but also in great fountains erupting from the earth. Could these on-ended slabs of rock been the result of huge cave-ins when the waters were taken from underneath those layers of rock much like what would happen to a pie crust if the filling was removed from the pie?

Regardless of whether these ideas are viable or not the point I'm trying to make is that there may be other ways of interpreting the data we get or the observations we make.

 

[seebs]

Hi all,
First I'd like to point out that "separation of church and state" isn't in the US constitution as many believe. It seems to be a phrase coined for those wanting to quiet the conservative element and it seems to be working because many never bother to look at the constitution to see what it really says.

The words aren't there, but the intent was; a casual read of the discussions leading up to the final wording points out that the understanding they had was that the church would never touch the government, and the government would never touch the church. The idea of a wall of separation was in there all along.

To ignore this, because the actual words used could be twisted to the contrary, is a grave error, and implies a lack of sincere interest in the intent of the Constitution.

 

[Null-Geodesic]

The 'right to privacy' and a 'right to a fair trial' are also absent from the Constitution. Do you want those to disappear too?

 

[PotLuck]

http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html

I just don't believe the two can be separated in light of christianity being the cornerstone of our country. God gave us liberty and not to use the tools He gives us is such a waste IMO.

Might be best to start another thread for this discussion elsewhere.

 

[mhess13]

I'm to the right of Pat Buchanan if that tells you anything...(although unlike Pat I'm VERY pro-Israel)

Alan Keyes is too liberal for me!

 

[SIXDAYCREATIONIST]

YEC and Libertarian

 

[Word of Peace]

I accidentally voted liberal. I meant to vote "non-political", but in actual fact, I don't really fully stand in any particular camp, although I most certainly have well-formed opinions on political topics.

I tend to find that I have a mix of views across the spectrum, from liberal to conservative. I don't try to conform to any camp - I think through the issues and pick what seems most sensible.

I like the idea of a compass rather than a line to represent one's viewpoint. I'll see if I can find a link about that.

 

[Word of Peace]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

In reality, it's probably more complex than even that, but I think it's much better than the linear way of looking at things.

 

[costlygrace]

I don';t think all the questions are worded right, or that there are enough choices for answers, but it is a very good start! I got about the same as Gandhi.

 

[Doc Dilly]

I voted Liberal. However, as one who observes and must deal with the welfare of children, I can not vote like a 'lunatic-liberal' i.e....The State can not replace God. Because we have two candidates this year who seem to reflect that very notion, I'm writing in Alan Keyes.
Big change in voting for me, but the current crop leaves little choice.

Something I wouldn't mind seeing, but I know better than to hold my breath...that would be for the federal government to give up control over the public school system. I deal with statistics on public schools constantly and the indications are that the longer kids sit in P.S. the dumber they get. I'm perfectly happy promoting home schooling and/or private parochial schools. In fact, I think if as Christians we're smart (and face it, if we are, we aint been actin' that way) we'll take the education system completely out of the governments hands.

We could start schools in those huge churches that sit empty six days a week. We have the money, the resources, but do we have the will? Now, this could mean that different pockets of the country might emphasize different subjects, or different doctrine. Maybe some will do better that other', maybe some kids will go to Wiccan schools, or other New Age type centers, Mosque schools, whatever.. Y'know, who cares? Bottom line, parents, not government, need to step up and take charge of their children's education even if we have to do it ourselves. And especially as Christians, we need to quit turning our little kids over to the Humanists so they can learn to keep God in a closet.

I know, I'm dreaming.....sorry....