"Philo" you cannot produce before Enoch with any such a thing...and Philo! -How strange of you to bring him up as if you have something he wrote that can corborrate anything you are claiming!
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"Philo" you cannot produce before Enoch with any such a thing...and Philo! -How strange of you to bring him up as if you have something he wrote that can corborrate anything you are claiming!No, never said that at all. Just pointing out that there were others with similar ideas. Lots of ideas in fact and some very strange.
After this post, I will not respond to this argument of yours anymore.
Use a concordance and please note that the Hebrew language is not "first" in Genesis for "one day", but "echad", which is "one" as in a unit. Your English translation is not inspired as the Hebrew is, and it makes a doctrine for you which is not biblical at all.
The evening and the morning were one/echad "Day", together, and so it has been ever since, and the one/echad day of creation was followed by five more of them, all evenings and mornings, and we can count them in succession, but the evening/darkness and morning/light/day, together "echad", were called/named "Day".
You may...and I will respond to this though it is completely off subject.Ok then I will respond to it.
Hebrew has a relatively small vocabulary and very complex rules of grammar. There are two Hebrew words for one, Yachid and Echad.
Echad means unified one but sometimes it represents numeric oneness as in first. The Hebrew grammar dictates that here in the Genesis day it means first.
In two months [the first and the sixth] the moon sets with the sun in those two middle portals the 6 third and the fourth.
She goes forth for seven days,
and turns about and returns again [for 7 more days] through the portal..., and accomplishes all her light:
and she recedes from the sun, and in eight 7 days enters the sixth portal....(And when the sun goes forth from the fourth portal she goes forth seven days, until she [this must be an error. It should say he the sun] goes forth from the fifth)and turns back again in seven days into the fourth portal and accomplishes all her light:
and she recedes and enters into the first portal in eight days.
And she returns again in seven days into the fourth portal...
Thus I saw their position -how the moons rose and the sun set in those days.
the lunar month is 29.5 days.And if five years are added together the sun has an overplus of thirty days,
and all the days which accrue to it for one of those five years, when they are full, amount to 364 days.
And the overplus of the sun and of the stars amounts to six days: in 5 years 6 days every year come to 30 days:
and the 12 moon falls behind the sun and stars to the number of 30 days.
And the sun and the stars bring in all the years exactly, so that they do not advance or delay their position by a single day unto eternity; but complete the years with perfect justice in 364 days.
In 3 years there are 1,092 days,
and in 5 years 1,820 days,
so that in 8 years there are 2,912 days.
For the moon alone the days amount in 3 years to 1,062 days,
and in 5 years she falls 50 days behind:[i.e. to the sum (of 1,770) there is to be added (1,000 and) 62 days.]so that for the moon the days in 8 years amount to 2832 days.
And in 5 years there are 1,770 days,
[For in 8 years she falls behind to the amount of 80 days],all the days she falls behind in 8 years are 80.
And the year is accurately completed in conformity with their world-stations and the stations of the sun, which rise from the portals through which it (the sun) rises and sets 30 days
Hi,at a certain point in the year the sun rises from a point on the horizon that is further north than at any other time in the year. 6 months later it rises from a point that is further south than any other. the points between are divided into 6 "portals" each one month long.
The moon2And this is the first law of the luminaries: the luminary the Sun has its rising in the eastern portals of the heaven, and its setting in the western portals of the heaven.
3And I saw six portals in which the sun rises, and six portals in which the sun sets: and the moon rises and sets in these portals, and the leaders of the stars and those whom they lead: six in the east and six in the west, and all following each other in accurately corresponding order: also many windows to the right and left of these portals.
4And first there goes forth the great luminary, named the Sun, and his circumference is like the circumference of the heaven, and he is quite filled with illuminating and heating fire.
5The chariot on which he ascends, the wind [the electromagnetic forces] drives, and the sun goes down from the heaven and returns through the north in order to reach the east, and is so guided that he comes to that portal and shines in the face of the heaven.
6In this way he rises in the first month in the great portal, which is the fourth those six portals in the east.
7And in that fourth portal from which the sun rises in the first month are twelve window-openings, from which proceed a flame when they are opened in their season.
8When the sun rises in the heaven, he comes forth through that fourth portal thirty mornings in succession, and sets accurately in the fourth portal in the west of the heaven.
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74 And I saw another course, a law for her, and how according to that law she performs her monthly revolution.
2And all these Uriel, the holy angel who is the leader of them all, showed to me, and their positions, and I wrote down their positions as he showed them to me, and I wrote down their months as they were, and the appearance of their lights till fifteen days were accomplished.
3In single seventh parts she accomplishes all her light in the east, and in single seventh parts accomplishes all her darkness in the west.
4And in certain months she alters her settings, and in certain months she pursues her own peculiar course.
5In two months the moon sets with the sun: in those two middle portals the third and the fourth. 6She goes forth for seven days, and turns about and returns again through the portal where the sun rises, and accomplishes all her light: and she recedes from the sun, and in eight days enters the sixth portal from which the sun goes forth.
7And when the sun goes forth from the fourth portal she goes forth seven days, until she goes forth from the fifth and turns back again in seven days into the fourth portal and accomplishes all her light: and she recedes and enters into the first portal in eight days.
8And she returns again in seven days into the fourth portal from which the sun goes forth.
9Thus I saw their position- how the moons rose and the sun set in those days.
10And if five years are added together the sun has an overplus of thirty days, and all the days which accrue to it for one of those five years, when they are full, amount to 364 days.
11And the overplus of the sun and of the stars amounts to six days: in 5 years 6 days every year come to 30 days: and the moon falls behind the sun and stars to the number of 30 days.
12And the sun and the stars bring in all the years exactly, so that they do not advance or delay their position by a single day unto eternity; but complete the years with perfect justice in 364 days.
13In 3 years there are 1,092 days, and in 5 years 1,820 days, so that in 8 years there are 2,912 days. 14For the moon alone the days amount in 3 years to 1,062 days, and in 5 years she falls 50 days behind:
15And in 5 years there are 1,770 days, so that for the moon the days in 8 years amount to 2,832 days.
16For in 8 years she falls behind to the amount of 80 days, all the days she falls behind in 8 years are 80. 17And the year is accurately completed in conformity with their world-stations and the stations of the sun, which rise from the portals through which it the sun rises and sets 30 days.
The days are perfect, counted from Mount Zion in Jerusalem from sunset to sunset, with four uncounted holy "stop" days at the head of the seasons, which are added in number of days at the end of the year, making "the years complete in perfect justice, unto eternity".1.25 days each year arent accounted for.
in 8 years that amounts to 10 days
It is not linear. Its more complicated than that. Its certainly not "perfect"
You may...and I will respond to this though it is completely off subject.
The passage is translated "one" in many translations, and that fits the context in that the Hebrew is clear that darkness/night and light/day equal, together, one "Day".
God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
In context, God did not use echad as "first" for day one, showing that "Day" is a unit of darkness/night and light/day, beginning with the darkness.
There were many numbered days after the one day of darkness and light, but the one day was to show what "Day" is.
"Shama Israel YHWH Elohym Echad YHWH", We do not say; "... YHWH Elohym is first YHWH"
After this post, I will not respond to this argument of yours anymore.
Use a concordance and please note that the Hebrew language is not "first" in Genesis for "one day", but "echad", which is "one" as in a unit. Your English translation is not inspired as the Hebrew is, and it makes a doctrine for you which is not biblical at all.
The evening and the morning were one/echad "Day", together, and so it has been ever since, and the one/echad day of creation was followed by five more of them, all evenings and mornings, and we can count them in succession, but the evening/darkness and morning/light/day, together "echad", were called/named "Day".
The passage is translated "one" in many translations, and that fits the context in that the Hebrew is clear that darkness/night and light/day equal, together, one "Day".
God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
Oh my...this is the last post to you over something that derails the thread. but the word order is the translators doing, and is not the Hebrew order. Context is everything, and the context is as I said.Yes, it is translated "one" in many translations.
No, it is not shown as you show it...."And there was evening and there was morning, one day."
Rather it is....And there was evening and there was morning, day one.
You say "ONE DAY." God says, "DAY ONE." There is a huge difference in understanding within those two words.
Nope.The grammatical context of echad applied to yom means first. Thats how it works.
Oh my...this is the last post to you over something that derails the thread. but the word order is the translators doing, and is not the Hebrew order. Context is everything, and the context is as I said.
Look, from the concordance, pasted below: the Hebrew word order is "one day". -Now please stop derailing the thread.
אלהים 'elohiym
קרא qara'
אור 'owr
יום yowm
חשך choshek
קרא qara'
ליל layil
ערב `ereb
בקר boqer
אחד 'echad /one
יום yowm/Day
Enoch already wrote about the stars that never set, so the argument is not gonna fly. He knew like all men that the world/tebel is a globe/tebel. To argue that Enoch is wrong because of the globe having poles and night lengths and day lengths differing in different is to make Jesus a liar also, for he said "are there not twelve hours in the day"?
Day, in that passage meaning the period of light, and Jesus is speaking from Jerusalem, where indeed there are equal periods of day and night, twice a year.
So the argument won't fly unless you guys are willing to call Jesus, the Creator, uninformed and or a liar.
Enoch's position for the calendar's reckoning is from the "navel" of the earth, which is Mount Zion in Jerusalem, which has two equal length periods of light and darkness. He also saw the north pole and wrote of it.
Out of Jerusalem will come the reckoning of the calendar for the restoration millennium.
Because of the great error of man departing from the revealed calendar, there is much confusion on dates, but God has never changed His calendar and His calendar is never going to change. Men messed with his "times and seasons" when they departed from God and His laws which are set in place over His creation; but that departing and subsequent confusion has never changed what God set in place in the beginning, and forever.http://artscalendararticles.mysite.com/blank_11.htmlCreation Calendar Information
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Genesis, chapter 9, states God's covenant after the flood with Noah and his seed after him. Also notice God's instructions to Noah and his sons in verse 1: "And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth." (KJV)
Adam and Noah talked face to face with God and had the council of God and the lights (sun and moon) of his creation. The sun cast a shadow then just as it does today. By using the shadow, we can locate the equinox (equal dark and equal light) as the sun will do this automatically. This will give us a starting point for the solar year and keep us in step with creation. We need to understand this before we apply Leviticus 23.
The above feast dates are based on Jerusalem, Israel time zone location. They will keep us in step with creation without an intercalated or inserted new moon that was not divided by the sun and moon.
Day = sunset to sunset, (at the absence of direct sunlight when the sun sets below the horizon).
Week = seven complete days with the seventh day a Sabbath.
New moon = starts when the moon becomes dark at the first absence of direct sunlight, like the day.
Equinox = the original Latin definition, about 1350-1400 A.D.: "the time of equal days and nights."
Solar year = starts with the equinox divided by the sun and moon at Jerusalem.
Passover = occurs when the dark new moon will put the 14th day in the new solar year.
Symbolic Wave Sheaf = after the weekly Sabbath on Sunday during the Days of Unleavened Bread.
Pentecost = count 50 days from the date of symbolic Wave Sheaf, which will be on a Sunday.
Count from the Abib 1 dark new moon date, to the seventh dark new moon date to set the rest of God's feasts in the seventh month. All God's festivals are counted from the first dark new moon date to the seventh dark new moon date which are divided by the sun and moon.
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