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C.S. Lewis: Sins of the flesh are the least bad of all sins?

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Lewis writes in Mere Christianity, "Finally, though I have had to speak at some length about sex, I want to make it as clear as I possibly can that the center of Christian morality is not here. If anyone thinks that Christians regard unchastity as the supreme vice, he is quite wrong. The sins of the flesh are bad, but they are the least bad of all sins. All the worst pleasures are purely spiritual. The pleasure of putting other people in the wrong, of bossing and patronizing and spoiling sport, and backbiting; the pleasures of power, of hatred. For there are two things inside me […] they are the animal self and the diabolical self; and the diabolical self is the worst of the two. That is why a cold self-righteous prig who goes regularly to church may be far nearer to hell than a prostitute. But of course it is better to be neither."


Does anyone agree with Lewis? If so, please provide some support.
 
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I follow The Bible's teachings, NOT Lewis' teachings.
Well, I am wondering if he pulled this belief out of 1 Corinthians 6:18 (NKJV) Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.

Frankly, I think Lewis went too far. I am wondering if someone can provide biblical support for Lewis' belief that it is the least bad of all sins.
 
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im not sure how one can argue that one sin is less than another sin when we are all sinful, and so many sins walk hand in hand. forget our stereotypes for a second, is it immpossible for a prostitute to be cold of heart or the church going prig to be an adulterer? far from it i imagine, but im guessing its the one who the lord lets see thier sins for what they are that is the one nearest to the narrow gate.

edit : i thought ive read that sins against your self are the least (personnally i wouldnt put suicide in this category as of the pain and blame it places on to others, or buying pornography, but tbh ive no idea)
 
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I think that Christians often confuse two different things when we consider sin. First, there is the classification of "sinner". In order for you or I to be classified as a sinner, and therefore in need of the saving blood of Christ, we need to have committed a single sin. If the only sin we commit is a secret sin of jealousy one time in our life, we are a sinner bound for hell. In this aspect, all sins are the same. Murders, shop lifters, gossips and those who torture children - all sinners.

We have, rightfully, placed great emphisis on salvation matters, but the same principles don't apply to everything else. I think Lewis is right.

It is hard to ignore all the Biblical references that allude to degrees or classifications of sin.

John 19:11 ‘You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin'

In IISamuel 24:10 David admits to God that he had "sinned greatly."

And we know that all sins are forgivable except for blasphme against the Holy Spirit, so at least that one sin is far worse than any others.

Also, we see different punishments for different sins detailed in the OT. (eye for an eye, foot for a foot) If all sins were the same, would not all punishment be the same?

The Bible also talks about "the great commandment" and the "weightier matters of the law". (in Matthew, I think...) That seems to indicate that some rules are more important than other rules.

Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven": but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

There will be ranking in heaven. On what will that be based?
 
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Lewis writes in Mere Christianity, "Finally, though I have had to speak at some length about sex, I want to make it as clear as I possibly can that the center of Christian morality is not here. If anyone thinks that Christians regard unchastity as the supreme vice, he is quite wrong. The sins of the flesh are bad, but they are the least bad of all sins. All the worst pleasures are purely spiritual. The pleasure of putting other people in the wrong, of bossing and patronizing and spoiling sport, and backbiting; the pleasures of power, of hatred. For there are two things inside me […] they are the animal self and the diabolical self; and the diabolical self is the worst of the two. That is why a cold self-righteous prig who goes regularly to church may be far nearer to hell than a prostitute. But of course it is better to be neither."

Does anyone agree with Lewis? If so, please provide some support.

SIN IS SIN, and i don't believe that God has a ranking whereby some sins are "better" than others.

That being said, i don't believe that this is what Mr. Lewis is trying to communicate. It seems to me that what he is saying is that the sins of the flesh--consisting primarily of the misuse or abuse of our God-given physical drives ["our animal self"]--are the easiest to deal with and overcome because they are the more obvious and therefore easier to recognize, surrender to God, and work towards erraticating. Those sins of the spirit which he mentions, on the other hand, are deeply entrenched in our hearts--planted there by the Evil One--and thus are harder to recognize and thus harder to erraticate--much harder the the obvious physical sins.

Physical sins tend to be black and white and without justification or excuse. The spiritual sins, however, because of their more indistinct and nebulous nature, lend themselves to rationalizations, justifications, denial, etc., which allows them to cling to us very tenaciously. This is one primary reason, i think, as to why the Law could never bring about righteousness before God: the Law dealt ONLY with the physical aspects of sin, leaving the spiritual sins alive and well in the heart. Jesus, on the other hand, by FULFILLING the Law, dealt with the heart as well as the body, teaching, for example, that looking lustfully at a woman WAS THE SAME AS actually commiting adultery, or being angry WAS THE SAME AS commiting murder. Thus, through the Grace of our Lord, we can now be cleansed of BOTH the physical and the spiritual sins and stand righteous before our God. ALL GLORY TO HIM!

A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
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Dear Simmeringabolute


Which violation of GOD'S TEN COMMANDMENTS WOULD NOT DOOM US TO HELL???


I SURE HOPE YOU ANSWER WAS " ALL WOULD "!!!

WITHOUT ANY QUESTION!!!


ALWAYS REMEMBER:


“ Believe “ in Greek is a verb and has three components which are: hearing, accepting, and then acting ( COMMITING ) upon that which you have accepted.
X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O ( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven
 
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A recent book by a historian concludes that all of history is about the abuse of power and human greed. That would concur with Lewis' statement.

We shouldn't be ranking sin, but many do. Often sexual sins are given too much prominence. The danger is that, in addressing 'sins of the flesh' we overlook many others that are less obvious but very destructive. And many are alive and well in our Christian communities.

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SIN IS SIN, and i don't believe that God has a ranking whereby some sins are "better" than others.

That being said, i don't believe that this is what Mr. Lewis is trying to communicate. It seems to me that what he is saying is that the sins of the flesh--consisting primarily of the misuse or abuse of our God-given physical drives ["our animal self"]--are the easiest to deal with and overcome because they are the more obvious and therefore easier to recognize, surrender to God, and work towards erraticating. Those sins of the spirit which he mentions, on the other hand, are deeply entrenched in our hearts--planted there by the Evil One--and thus are harder to recognize and thus harder to erraticate--much harder the the obvious physical sins.

Physical sins tend to be black and white and without justification or excuse. The spiritual sins, however, because of their more indistinct and nebulous nature, lend themselves to rationalizations, justifications, denial, etc., which allows them to cling to us very tenaciously. This is one primary reason, i think, as to why the Law could never bring about righteousness before God: the Law dealt ONLY with the physical aspects of sin, leaving the spiritual sins alive and well in the heart. Jesus, on the other hand, by FULFILLING the Law, dealt with the heart as well as the body, teaching, for example, that looking lustfully at a woman WAS THE SAME AS actually commiting adultery, or being angry WAS THE SAME AS commiting murder. Thus, through the Grace of our Lord, we can now be cleansed of BOTH the physical and the spiritual sins and stand righteous before our God. ALL GLORY TO HIM!

A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim
Dear Ephraimanesti

To condense this long post would it not be better to advise:

" STAY AWAY FROM MAN WORDS AND IN GOD'S WORD SO satan CAN'T GET his UGLY CLAWS IN YOU!!! "


I am so GLAD I'm:

Not wise by human standards, lacking power, a mongrel by birth, lowly and despised, and worth NOTHING!!!

( did I just flame myself??? but I'm not reporting it!!! )


It has REALLY BLESSED ME!!!


THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT HARD FOR ME TO REMEMBER:


“ Believe “ in Greek is a verb and has three components which are: hearing, accepting, and then acting ( COMMITING ) upon that which you have accepted.
X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O ( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven


 
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im not sure how one can argue that one sin is less than another sin when we are all sinful, and so many sins walk hand in hand. forget our stereotypes for a second, is it immpossible for a prostitute to be cold of heart or the church going prig to be an adulterer? far from it i imagine, but im guessing its the one who the lord lets see thier sins for what they are that is the one nearest to the narrow gate.

edit : i thought ive read that sins against your self are the least (personnally i wouldnt put suicide in this category as of the pain and blame it places on to others, or buying pornography, but tbh ive no idea)
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I suppose the problem is from our perspective is that we like to pile up our sins in little piles and see whos pile is the highest. God however looks at it from above and doesn't really see how big the pile is he just sees the pile of sin. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God

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I suppose the problem is from our perspective is that we like to pile up our sins in little piles and see whos pile is the highest. God however looks at it from above and doesn't really see how big the pile is he just sees the pile of sin. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God

J20
Why then are there lists of sins in The Bible, where The Bible says that if you commit these particular sins , without repenting of them, you will not inherit The Kingdom of Heaven ? :confused: What will happen to Christians if they die having not confessed sin in their life ? Will they go to heaven or hell ?
 
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Why then are there lists of sins in The Bible, where The Bible says that if you commit these particular sins , without repenting of them, you will not inherit The Kingdom of Heaven ? :confused: What will happen to Christians if they die having not confessed sin in their life ? Will they go to heaven or hell ?
It was my understanding that it was those types of sinners, not Christians, who will not inherit the kingdom.

Anyway, it seems that all the other types of sins Lewis lists in that segment are sins that would cause harm not only to us but to others as well which violates the whole love thy neighbor command. But, most sexual activies are fueled by atleast an affection of sorts if not love. So yes, you would sin within yourself but don't necisarily cause as much damage to someone else as a lie would or hating someone would.
 
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Okay, I've given this some considerable thought and have come to this conclusion. What C.S. Lewis wrote in his book which I'm currently reading right now as a matter of fact, is his interpretation. It's his point of view and only what he thinks. He wasn't God and wasn't trying to be. He was merely talking about the issues in the way that he understood them. I believe he was sincere in his efforts to make the topics he wrote about easier to understand. That's my take on it. Ultimately, his views are the views that he held and nothing more.
 
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Okay, I've given this some considerable thought and have come to this conclusion. What C.S. Lewis wrote in his book which I'm currently reading right now as a matter of fact, is his interpretation. It's his point of view and only what he thinks. He wasn't God and wasn't trying to be. He was merely talking about the issues in the way that he understood them. I believe he was sincere in his efforts to make the topics he wrote about easier to understand. That's my take on it. Ultimately, his views are the views that he held and nothing more.
Dear FrauleinElsa


WHY THAT'S DOWNRIGHT GOOD THINKING!!!


It is so refreshing to hear the TRUTH!!!

THANK YOU!!!

ALWAYS REMEMBER:






“ Believe “ in Greek is a verb and has three components which are: hearing, accepting, and then acting ( COMMITING ) upon that which you have accepted.

X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O
( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven
 
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Okay, I've given this some considerable thought and have come to this conclusion. What C.S. Lewis wrote in his book which I'm currently reading right now as a matter of fact, is his interpretation. It's his point of view and only what he thinks. He wasn't God and wasn't trying to be. He was merely talking about the issues in the way that he understood them. I believe he was sincere in his efforts to make the topics he wrote about easier to understand. That's my take on it. Ultimately, his views are the views that he held and nothing more.
Yes, I have a feeling that is the case. If so, I am disappointed that Lewis would state his personal belief like it is some undisputed matter of fact.
 
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Perhaps we can look at it another way. We all agree (or seem to) that all sins are sins, and equally "bad". However, when I'm teaching my 5yo daughter about sin, there are sins she needs to "fix" (apologize for, mend, or something dealing with another person) before confessing them to God, and some that just hurt her.

The ones that she needs to fix tend to be the ones where she's hurting someone else. She says something hurtful, or takes something, or things like that. But "sins of the flesh" like gluttony and lust tend not to "hurt" anyone but yourself (not including something like adultery, of course, where there is definitely a wronged person).

When I read Lewis, and granted that was many years ago, that was my take on what he was saying. It's not "worse" to lie than to touch. They are both sinful, and should be acknowledged and confessed. But one hurts someone else and needs to be fixed with them, too. The other hurts you.
 
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