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JohnT, this is an example of how far this website has declined spiritually.
The long standing effort to undermine any biblical foundation in debate areas and theology has largely succeeded. Biblical morality is lampooned.
Please do not invite young Christians to this part of CF.
Attack the messenger.
Sad time for CF... and it is growing darker.
If you mean the message of the neocon agenda: exclusion, maligning groups of people, and mean spiritedness is a decline in spirituality-good. Perhaps C.A.R.M is the better place for those who want to spread the neocon agenda.
Please spare people the "we are so persecuted" mantra...you are not denied housing for your views, denied partner benefits, or health insurance because of your religious beliefs...
And just who wrote the Bible? 2 Peter 1:20-21You don't quote the words of a just holy God, you take a passage from The Bible, and use it against a group of people.
Conversely, does this subsection supposedly suit people who seek to skew the plain, unambiguous words of a just, loving and holy God? In rebuttal, you cite a "superior" source, James Baldwin??? Do you believe you are a Raisin in the Sun? That was his view of himself.CARM suits people who,mistakenly, believe they are God's mouthpiece and use that belief to spread a skewed agenda..
You choose to sin, you pay the price. If you do not like the price, do not sin.
However it is not right to give SPECIAL rights to people who flaunt immorality. In that respect, your case is no different than the FLDS folk. That is because both your group and the FLDS people seek to redefine the family, and to do things that God says is sin. Following your logic, what is wrong with beastiality, especially if done consensually?
And just who wrote the Bible? 2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.Are you REALLY interested in serving and pleasing God, or pleasing yourself? If the former is true, then do not disparage the Bible, but if the latter is true, continue just as you are doing.
Conversely, does this subsection supposedly suit people who seek to skew the plain, unambiguous words of a just, loving and holy God? In rebuttal, you cite a "superior" source, James Baldwin??? Do you believe you are a Raisin in the Sun? That was his view of himself.
Sorry Catlover, but ultimately it is to God whom you must give an account, not to me.
All I do is quote his words. Do you think that your protesting words to the contrary will change God's judgment on judgment day? Do you honestly believe that you can get Him to change His mind to what you say?
I truly do not believe you will be able to do that, and I suspect that in your heart of hearts, you may believe likewise. That is why repentance is so important. Without it, you can not enter into heaven .
Your heterosexuality is not the issue here. That is correct.Save your condemning nonsense for the mirror-the funniest thing about fundamentalists they believe they speak for God when they actually speak from their own ego and agenda...
I am heterosexual, that is besides the point...
The fact that Fundamental Christians have the worst venom for gays is telling. I think it's trying to draw attention from your own sinfullness: gluttony, lust, gossip, etc.... gays and lesbians are simply a target....
I advocate that people who are maligned in society SHOULD BE TREATED with dignity and respect...novel concept isn't it????
Your heterosexuality is not the issue here. That is correct.
You confuse fairness among humans with righteous in the view of God.
Nowhere does God advocate (as you seem to allege) that calling a person a "sinner" ipso facto is a license to be uncivil. All persons deserve respect for they are all created by God.
But that does not mean that all persons act godly, or honor him in their mind or body. For that they pay the price of their sinful lifestyle. That is not "venom for gays" but truth.
Truly sorry if you dislike the Word of the Just, Holy, Loving and Righteous God. I present it, you seem to reject it. But that is why God gave us free will. We pay for our choices in this life in the after life eternally. Please choose wisely.
I am sorry your God is an angry vengeful God.
God ultimately becomes a Rosarsch test for people. If they want an angry, vengeful God, that's what they say he is. If they want a God of Love and approach others with a gentle, loving nature, that is how they see God.
I am sorry that you believe a cartoon image of God.
Have you actually read the Bible, or do you merely throw stones at your cartoon image of God?
I don't want to derail the thread with another issue but the following, I think, is relevant as it concerns the perceptions that individuals have of God . I wonder how many of the more militant 'anti-gay' Christians also believe in a God that condemns 'the lost' to literal everlasting torment?
Maybe I should start a new thread. I AM genuinely curious.
That might be a good new thread to start. I know those who condemn LGBTs tend to hold themselves in low esteem and fear "hell" to a bizarre extent.
Granted, the Bible does not support homosexuality
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