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Bye Bye Boehner

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When has Obama compromised on anything in his presidency? He's the absolutists, he'll veto the bill over this but the media will line up to blame republicans. Obama will bend over backwards to please the ayatollahs and Castros but will never negotiate with the GOP.

And is this particular type of whining going to be effective in blaming the impending shutdown on Obama?

HINT: Was it effective last time?
 
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That solidifies my point that the republicans are further to the right than the Castros ^_^

Most thinking individuals in this country, be they Republicans or Democrats, are further to the right than the Castros. They always have been. Bernie Sanders might be a little left of the Castros..... but then again, I did say "thinking" individuals.
 
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Last I heard, the Castros were pretty far to the left..... Oh, that's right... It's the Dems that are in bed with the Castros. So who moved?

LOL! It's funny because Cuba hasn't been important on the world stage for about 40 years. And considering that we've put about 50+ years into our embargo on them I would think it would have "worked" by now. Instead it just kinda looks like a giant powerhouse of a nation (US) is scared of a tiny little speck of a country in the Caribbean.

But I'm certain that if we thaw our relations with Cuba it will embolden Fidel and Rauol to invade America and take us over and turn us into a giant communist colony!

Sheesh. At what point do we give it a rest? The Castros are going to die someday...why not just get past our anger with them and make sure we can have a meaningful role in making Cuba a better place once they are gone?

Why is that so bad? Was the embargo working? Did it get rid of the Castros? Oh wait, maybe if we make the embargo last 100 years we'll be sure it will have eliminated the Castro brothers!
 
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/compromise/

(Sorry if it becomes inconvenient to subvert the narrative.)
Well, to be honest, those aren't really compromises. They're campaign promises. Are they not?

There may have been "compromises" along the way in order to get them enacted, but they were the President's proposals to begin with. Many of those things listed are a bit dubious. "More secure border"? Really? When it comes to compromise on things like budget, Healthcare, etc., there wasn't much compromise. On the other hand, he is the sitting President. He has the power of the veto. It is up to the GOP to present alternatives to the President. If he chooses to veto it, that is his prerogative. If he does it often enough, proclaiming yourself as "willing to compromise" becomes more and more difficult. That's where the GOP gave up too much. Mr. Obama does not compromise on many, more meaningful things. If he runs into problems, he uses the executive privilege option.

To be fair, if the GOP wants to do anything to correct this, they have to win the election in '16. Mr. Obama is fulfilling his campaign promise to fundamentally transform America. On this, he is succeeding.
 
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Well, to be honest, those aren't really compromises. They're campaign promises. Are they not?

In some cases he had to give up part of what he wanted. This is how politics works. Unless one is a Republican at which point they no longer understand what it means to get only part of what you want.

There may have been "compromises" along the way in order to get them enacted, but they were the President's proposals to begin with.

-sigh- So no matter what people mention it will never "count" because...OBAMA. I'm sorry I'm not up for a debate over how much Conservatives can equivocate. It's gotten quite boring.

Obama has compromised his positions in his presidency. Sometimes he got part of what he wanted, sometimes none at all.

How about the PUblic Option on Obamacare? The GOP fought that (because even more people would be helped and we can't have that!)

To be fair, if the GOP wants to do anything to correct this, they have to win the election in '16. Mr. Obama is fulfilling his campaign promise to fundamentally transform America. On this, he is succeeding.

You guys keep toeing the line as much as you like. Obama has done nothing like that. Under Obama we've never had a stronger CAPITALIST system (The DJIA is at RECORD highs), under Obama we've kept up many of the George W. Bush wars, under Obama we've kept Gitmo open.

The only thing he has done that has been "transformative" has been the enact the first major overhaul in healthcare accessibility in our life time.

And the sight of millions of Americans getting access to affordable healthcare GALLS the Republicans. They can't stand it! THAT is the kind of America the GOP wants.

Give me a break. The Conservativ mantra is positively pathological and defies even rational common sense.

Uck.
 
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LOL! It's funny because Cuba hasn't been important on the world stage for about 40 years. And considering that we've put about 50+ years into our embargo on them I would think it would have "worked" by now. Instead it just kinda looks like a giant powerhouse of a nation (US) is scared of a tiny little speck of a country in the Caribbean.

But I'm certain that if we thaw our relations with Cuba it will embolden Fidel and Rauol to invade America and take us over and turn us into a giant communist colony!

Sheesh. At what point do we give it a rest? The Castros are going to die someday...why not just get past our anger with them and make sure we can have a meaningful role in making Cuba a better place once they are gone?

Why is that so bad? Was the embargo working? Did it get rid of the Castros? Oh wait, maybe if we make the embargo last 100 years we'll be sure it will have eliminated the Castro brothers!

So by "normalizing" relations with the Castros, did we help the Cuban people? Are their lives better now that the embargo is gone? Are they any closer to truly being free?

There was no compromise in the removal of sanctions from Tehran, nor was there any compromise in the lifting of the embargo with Cuba. It was just handed to them. Sure, the Castros will both be gone some day, but why should we go out of our way to make their job of oppressing the Cuban people, even easier? What makes us think that by doing this, that Cuba will be "a better place" when they are gone? Maybe the embargo has been the reason that Cuba has not played a major role on the world stage to this point.

Like yourself, I am all for the idea of normalizing relations with people. But only when they show that they want to be a part of the world instead of a world problem. Neither Cuba nor Iran deserve anything from us or the rest of the world. They are both dysfunctional.
 
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In some cases he had to give up part of what he wanted. This is how politics works. Unless one is a Republican at which point they no longer understand what it means to get only part of what you want.

As I said, he may have needed to cut back his "wish list" a bit. Yes, you could say "compromise". No President gets everything he wants. We all understand this, but he seems to have reached a point where he no longer wishes to "play by the rules". He will resort to executive privilege to get what he wants. Others have used this method, but this President has made it an art form.

-sigh- So no matter what people mention it will never "count" because...OBAMA. I'm sorry I'm not up for a debate over how much Conservatives can equivocate. It's gotten quite boring.

Obama has compromised his positions in his presidency. Sometimes he got part of what he wanted, sometimes none at all.


I surely see where he has made 'concessions' in the past. Do you not see that GOP representatives compromised by voting for many of the proposals issued by the President, in spite of vocal opposition from many voters in the party? The President makes a proposal that someone in congress puts forth in a bill that many republicans find to be less than desirable. After some political wrangling, the President gives in a little on a part of the bill. The Republican congressman still doesn't like the bill, but will vote for it as a compromise to small changes made in the bill. They may be concessions that Mr. Obama made, but you must admit that they have been few.


How about the PUblic Option on Obamacare? The GOP fought that (because even more people would be helped and we can't have that!)

How about using congress to shove the program down everyone's throat in the middle of the night on Christmas eve. Now that was compromise. Everyone, including the Democrats, knew there were problems with the system. It didn't matter because they just wanted it, now.

You guys keep toeing the line as much as you like. Obama has done nothing like that. Under Obama we've never had a stronger CAPITALIST system (The DJIA is at RECORD highs), under Obama we've kept up many of the George W. Bush wars, under Obama we've kept Gitmo open.

The Dow has little to nothing to do with how strong the economy is. It is still weak and floundering. Obama kept the Afghanistan war, yes. He pulled out of Iraq too early and turned it into a mess with ISIS taking over everything in the vacuum. He doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. He tried to imply that Gitmo was breeding terrorism, when Gitmo was the result of terrorism. He made a promise to shut it down, but he sees the need for it. He will get it shut down, but he will wait until his term is nearly expired to do it.

The only thing he has done that has been "transformative" has been the enact the first major overhaul in healthcare accessibility in our life time.

He's not through yet. By the time he leaves office, he hopes to make about 12 to 20 million Illegal Immigrants, legal residents. This will transform this nation quicker than anything else he could have done. The GOP is to spineless to do anything about it. They are too willing to compromise.

And the sight of millions of Americans getting access to affordable healthcare GALLS the Republicans. They can't stand it! THAT is the kind of America the GOP wants.

How many lost coverage? How many are still unemployed because of the stagnant economy? Is healthcare better?
I would agree that the system needed some work. I would also agree that the GOP didn't fall over themselves to try and find some kind of alternative, or correct some of the problems with the new system. The GOP is guilty of being negligent in that regard. The sight of millions of Americans getting access to affordable healthcare does not "gall" anyone. Mainly because it is no more affordable than what we had before. For everyone who is now covered, there is an equal amount of those who lost coverage. Many more who have lesser policies because of the cost escalating for premiums. It costs many people more, while they get less. Because those who actually pay for their premiums, have to pay the subsidies for those who get it for free or at reduced cost. Healthcare is not more affordable for American citizens. It's all snake oil.

Give me a break. The Conservativ mantra is positively pathological and defies even rational common sense.

Uck.

The liberal mantra is to get the money from the richest 1%. Take the money we need from someone who is trying to produce more and make life better for everyone. All the while, putting this country so far into debt that we will never recover. How is spending tens of trillions of dollars we must borrow, "common sense"? I don't care what party you belong to, it's wrong and irresponsible.
 
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Doubtful that's the reason. Dems shouldn't be gloating too much. The next Speaker could hardly be as weak and ineffective.
If you think that is gloating, you completely misread me.
 
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/compromise/

(Sorry if it becomes inconvenient to subvert the narrative.)

WOW Those are some amazing compromises! I mean he must be rolling in bed at night because he wasn't able to include environmental and labor standards in trade deals!

I hope you realize the above was sarcasm. When I say compromises I mean actually negotiating and meeting his opposition half-way. Whether it was Obamacare (passed with zero republican votes) or the budget he has never budged an inch while republicans are expected to give a mile. This is aided and embedded by the media which is wholesale on Obama's side and parrot his talking points.
 
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miniverchivi said:
I know you're a fan of replying with memes...but I think this one is a bit skewed in terms of reality.

Boehner was fairly moderate (compared to the tea partier types)...and was one of the few that was actually willing to reach across the isle on some occasions.

The reason he wasn't getting along with the Tea Party types was because he "wasn't conservative enough" by their standards...so while you might dislike Boehner...if the tea party has their way, he'll be replaced by someone who's far worse by liberal standards.


God help us all if those America hating TP's get into the White House.
 
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DaisyDay said:
No you.

I don't dislike Boehner. I probably have more respect for him than most conservatives do, at least the ones on this forum. I was really taken by surprise by his resignation. If you don't like my title, well, too bad for you.



Amazing how those in the far right like to immediately accuse someone of disliking their heroes just because you are not of their political persuasion.
 
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WOW Those are some amazing compromises! I mean he must be rolling in bed at night because he wasn't able to include environmental and labor standards in trade deals!

I hope you realize the above was sarcasm. When I say compromises I mean actually negotiating and meeting his opposition half-way. Whether it was Obamacare (passed with zero republican votes) or the budget he has never budged an inch while republicans are expected to give a mile. This is aided and embedded by the media which is wholesale on Obama's side and parrot his talking points.

It's wasn't just "Boner", but the whole 9 yards of Democrats, Socialist, Liberals, Communist, Propaganda media, lies by the President, violation of laws, and the enforcement of a law that doesn't exit, Homosexual marriage.

The Supreme Court doesn't have "Legislative power", that is "vested" only in the House and Senate, and they haven't passed a law to affirm the courts decision.

"WE" have been after Boehner for a long time, at the first sign of resistance he would wave his white flag and give up.

The House controls the budget of government, and the majority are "Republicans, at least on paper,
and the house could have refused to funded all these programs Obama wanted and the American people didn't want, "IF" it had had the proper leadership.

If Boehner left before midnight, it wouldn't be soon enough for me.

I've heard talk about a "Recall Election" for Mc Connelly, we'll have to wait and see what happens.
 
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America is being driven into the ground by those who are incapable of compromise and so assured of themselves that they refuse to see the opposition as anything other than evil. People are too worried about what other people have to appreciate what they do have. This type of universal greed will bankrupt the country morally and ethically and we will end up being driven by an insatiably appetite for more than the government can provide.

Conservatives are pulling one way and liberals are pulling the other and the middle is left to flip the bill for it all. The country will not be able to survive long with no one willing to sacrifice enough of what they have for the sake of the country. I think in 20 years America, if it keeps on going through this me, me, me, I, I, I stance we will implode by our own intransigence.
 
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But liberals are FAR more accurate in setting their goals with the teachings of Jesus.

Conservative applaud greed which enriches the wealthy at the cost of the poor. Liberals do not. Now read the Book of Amos as I have REPEATEDLY challenged conservatives in this forum to do.
 
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But liberals are FAR more accurate in setting their goals with the teachings of Jesus.

Conservative applaud greed which enriches the wealthy at the cost of the poor. Liberals do not. Now read the Book of Amos as I have REPEATEDLY challenged conservatives in this forum to do.
I think the conservatives have been piggybacking religion for far too long. Religion should not be political because politics deludes righteousness into a paste that holds the party platform together.

The parties use the Biblical concept of evil against their adversaries and simply removes the concept of love because it's not convenient for their purposes.
 
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No you.

I don't dislike Boehner. I probably have more respect for him than most conservatives do, at least the ones on this forum. I was really taken by surprise by his resignation. If you don't like my title, well, too bad for you.

The Pope sidled up to Boehner yesterday, put his arm around him, and spoke to him privately for a few moments. Although Boehner has shared a bit of what the Pope said to him, whatever the Pope really said struck Boehner like a ton of bricks. I don't think it was a remonstration--I suspect it was something that convinced Boehner that he needed to do something that in the end would not be an Ecclesiastes "vanity of vanity" the way politics is.
 
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AvilaSurfer said:
I got news for you. Boehner was NOT a hero to anyone on the far right.


Actually he was. But many of today's far right are so extreme that they declare him to be liberal.

Heck, even Trump calls Fox network "liberals". How crazy is that???
 
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