By the left quick march

[Jonathan Jarvis]

Been biding my thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn.

I am not sure if returning the party to traditional values with a decreased chance of the party being elected is preferable to voting for one of the alternative candidates who has a better chance of winning a general election.

My personal perspective favours the former. The pragmatist in me says the latter.

So which is better a party of protest or tepid socialism.

 

[theFijian]

Been biding my thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn.

I am not sure if returning the party to traditional values with a decreased chance of the party being elected is preferable to voting for one of the alternative candidates who has a better chance of winning a general election.

My personal perspective favours the former. The pragmatist in me says the latter.

So which is better a party of protest or tepid socialism.

You might as well go with the protest vote, look where tepid socialism got us.

 

[Wrexscar]

Moving the party away from the centre ground seems a poplar move at he moment. The SNP are further left then labour and did well. the greens are further left and are popular although the voting sytem doesn't favour them.
The party's in the centre are less popular but get more votes.
Honestly I'd like to see the labour party stand for something other than being not the conservatives.

 

[MorkandMindy]

At a guess;

what is needed is

A good economic model
A good psychological model

and then the rest should be apparent.

 

[Genersis]

I'm not even sure Corbyn would be any less electable than the other three; all four will likely be relying on the Conservatives making themselves very unpopular to have any chance of wining in 2020.

I think a refreshing change in direction will do Labour some good; distancing itself from it's corporate focus group-y image. Moving the discussion to the left might even help Labour win in future.(rather than continually chasing the discussion rightwards where the Conservatives and UKIP do well)

Regardless, I doubt Corbyn could be leader for long if he were elected; I have a feeling the Labour party would remove him eventually.
With a millstone of illegitimacy around his neck(continued cries of entryism, real members being outvoted, ETC), and an, at times, antagonistic PLP. The question may well be; will he jump? or will he be pushed?
Maybe Labour will surprise me, and things will move along smoothly post-election...

That's my thoughts...

 

[theFijian]

Regardless, I doubt Corbyn could be leader for long if he were elected; I have a feeling the Labour party would remove him eventually.
With a millstone of illegitimacy around his neck(continued cries of entryism, real members being outvoted, ETC), and an, at times, antagonistic PLP. The question may well be; will he jump? or will he be pushed?

Don't you think that might end up doing Labour more harm than good in the long-term?

Personally I think Corbyn will be good for British politics, for a while at least. I think he'll certainly give Cameron a much harder time at PMQs, and keep the Tories on their toes more in general. From a Scottish perspective my view is a lot of SNP voters have been duped into thinking that the SNP are inherently a socialist party (they aren't) and he may win back some supporters to Scottish Labour.

 

[Genersis]

Don't you think that might end up doing Labour more harm than good in the long-term?

I really don't know.

Depends on if and how it goes down.
Judging by the Labour party's recent history, it would make a massive gaffe of it.

Currently it's a risk I'm willing to take. The other candidates may be safer choices, but they give me little hope for Labour's future.

Personally I think Corbyn will be good for British politics, for a while at least. I think he'll certainly give Cameron a much harder time at PMQs, and keep the Tories on their toes more in general. From a Scottish perspective my view is a lot of SNP voters have been duped into thinking that the SNP are inherently a socialist party (they aren't) and he may win back some supporters to Scottish Labour.

The Scotland situation is an interesting one. I have a feeling the change of voter allegiance to the SNP may be hard to reverse, but Corbyn stands the best chance of the candidates.

I doubt the SNP will fair quite as well in 2020, and especially 2025; both it's left of centre rivals were unusually unpopular(historically speaking) for 2015.
If the LibDems can shake their toxic image(and recent history) and Labour can manage to refresh itself(whatever that/those Labour(s) may look like), an SNP decline of some sort seems fairly likely(at least in votes, if not seats).