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Bush: I would understand if Israel chose to attack Iran

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Yay! Another reader of the Israeli press! Welcome, welcome!

Well, this I must say is utterly unsurprising. Israel is founded on the ethnic cleansing, rape and massacre of Arabs, and is simply a US-funded, US-supplied Army, Navy and Air Force with a country attached. When will we in the West put a stop to its crimes? I'm not holding my breath while the media are government slaves.

Long live US control of Middle East oil!
 
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Anyone want to talk about the OP, or just keep everything in general terms?

Iran will be capable of making nuclear weapons in the Spring of 2007.
Israel is directly affected by this.
A nuclear strike anywhere in the world would affect the world. The middle East is to unstable to be in possesion of nuclear weapons.
We can talk of how bad Israel is, or how bad Iran is.
But when nuclear weapons are involved, the world is involved.
Israel could, in the interest of world peace attack and destroy Irans nuclear facilities.
The world would condemn them while breathing a sigh of relief.
intentional or accidental releasing of a nuclear weapon to fanatics would endanger every country in the world.

How about putting the Israel's history aside, and look at the world for a change.
IMO if Israel hasn't been controlled by the U.S. it would be whole lot bigger now. Not just the various failed land for peace deals.
The hatred of Israel has gone on for hundreds of years.
And the abuse of both sides are appauling. Israel just happens to be a Goverment sanctioned military, while the secret armies get no goverment sanctions, ie no responsibilty.
Peace in the middle east won't happen until the end is near(in Christian bible), but the world will be a whole lot safer if the middle east remains a nuclear free zone.

Do we really want Iran nuking Israel, then Israel nukes Iran. And this would only be the start.
 
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Anyone want to talk about the OP, or just keep everything in general terms?

Iran will be capable of making nuclear weapons in the Spring of 2007.
Israel is directly affected by this.
A nuclear strike anywhere in the world would affect the world. The middle East is to unstable to be in possesion of nuclear weapons.
We can talk of how bad Israel is, or how bad Iran is.
But when nuclear weapons are involved, the world is involved.
Israel could, in the interest of world peace attack and destroy Irans nuclear facilities.
The world would condemn them while breathing a sigh of relief.
intentional or accidental releasing of a nuclear weapon to fanatics would endanger every country in the world.

How about putting the Israel's history aside, and look at the world for a change.
IMO if Israel hasn't been controlled by the U.S. it would be whole lot bigger now. Not just the various failed land for peace deals.
The hatred of Israel has gone on for hundreds of years.
And the abuse of both sides are appauling. Israel just happens to be a Goverment sanctioned military, while the secret armies get no goverment sanctions, ie no responsibilty.
Peace in the middle east won't happen until the end is near(in Christian bible), but the world will be a whole lot safer if the middle east remains a nuclear free zone.

Do we really want Iran nuking Israel, then Israel nukes Iran. And this would only be the start.

Iran is directly affected by Israel a US surrogate.
Israel possess nukes, has used them in Lebanon this year.
Israel commits genocide is an apartheid government, has state sponsored separation.
Israel when it uses its military is going to inflict anywhere from 25% to 80% of CIVILAIAN causalities.
Now ask your self if you where Persian would you be scared?
 
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And this is the man that knew nothing about foreign policy, or geography, before 2000. They had to bring Condi in to coach him before the debates.

I still say someone else is pulling the marionettes strings.

Oh you mean AIPAC?
 
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Iran is directly affected by Israel a US surrogate.
Israel possess nukes, has used them in Lebanon this year.
Israel commits genocide is an apartheid government, has state sponsored separation.
Israel when it uses its military is going to inflict anywhere from 25% to 80% of CIVILAIAN causalities.
Now ask your self if you where Persian would you be scared?
I didn't read about Israel using nukes. Killing alot of people but not of using nukes.

How many casualties will a nuke kill? 100% in the area.
Be it Israel, Spain, Moscow, New York.

Iran is not stable enough to protect its nukes, and
could "accidently" let a nuke go to their secret armies.
Hamas or is it HEzzbula?

No matter what the past, Israel has to take out the nuke sights.
As I said, the Israel-Middle East conflict has been going on since Israel began, and will never be over until the end, unless the middle east is nuked into extinction.

I know you only see the evil that Israel does, and the bias media only shows the bad that Israels enemies do,
and the media even covered up the use of nukes in the last conflict, but how can any country allow its enemy to get a super weapon?
 
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I didn't read about Israel using nukes. Killing alot of people but not of using nukes.

How many casualties will a nuke kill? 100% in the area.
Be it Israel, Spain, Moscow, New York.

Iran is not stable enough to protect its nukes, and
could "accidently" let a nuke go to their secret armies.
Hamas or is it HEzzbula?

No matter what the past, Israel has to take out the nuke sights.
As I said, the Israel-Middle East conflict has been going on since Israel began, and will never be over until the end, unless the middle east is nuked into extinction.

I know you only see the evil that Israel does, and the bias media only shows the bad that Israels enemies do,
and the media even covered up the use of nukes in the last conflict, but how can any country allow its enemy to get a super weapon?

This is where we play the reverse spin game, and use only facts.
1) the article implies knowledge of the region and the fact that Israel already used a nuclear bunker buster bomb in the 34 day war, on an apartment building no less.
2) Hezbollah is a political ally of Iran, and yes they do get some funds from the national government of Iran, but over 90% of the money from Iran comes in the from of private donations collected at Friday prayer across Iran. Not unlike Chain has made a few donations to political parties in the US.
Perhaps Israel should not be taking actions with OUR tax dollars that would upset another country to the degree in which they thought they needed some nukes.
 
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Iran is directly affected by Israel a US surrogate.
Israel possess nukes, has used them in Lebanon this year.
Israel commits genocide is an apartheid government, has state sponsored separation.
Israel when it uses its military is going to inflict anywhere from 25% to 80% of CIVILAIAN causalities.
Now ask your self if you where Persian would you be scared?

Link? :eek:
 
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Global Research, November 11, 2006
RAI News (translated from the ItaIian) - 2006-11-09

KHIAM SOUTHERN LEBANON
A BOMB'S ANATOMY

By Flaviano Masella, Angelo Saso, Maurizio Torrealta



The special report was triggered by the radioactivity measurements reported on a crater probably created by an Israeli Bunker Buster bomb in the village of Khiam, in southern Lebanon. The measurements were carried out by two Lebanese professors of physics - Mohammad Ali Kubaissi and Ibrahim Rachidi. The data - 700 nanosieverts per hour – showed remarkably higher radiocativity then the average in the area (Beirut = 35 nSv/hr ). Successivamente, on September 17th, Ali Kubaissi took British researcher Dai Williams, from the environmentalist organization Green Audit, to the same site, to take samples that were then submitted to Chris Busby, technical adisor of the Supervisory Committee on Depleted Uranium, which reports to the British Ministry of Defense. The samples were tested by Harwell's nuclear laboratory, one of the most authoritative research centers in the world. On October 17th, Harwell disclosed the testing results - two samples in 10 did contain radioactivity.

On November 2nd, another British lab, The School of Oceanographic Sciences, confirmed Harwell's results – the Khiam crater contains slightly enriched uranium. Rainews24 also took a sample taken by Dai Williams for testing by the Department of Earth Sciences of the University of Ferrara. The testing - which is still ongoing - found an anomalous structure: the sample's surface includes alluminium and iron silicates, normal elements in a soil fragment. Yet, looking inside, estremely small bubbles can be found with high concentration of iron. Further testing will clarify the origin of these structures: what seems to be certain at the moment is that they are not caused by a natural process.

What kind of weapon is this? What weapon leaves traces of radiation and produces such lethal and circumscribed consequences?

Researcher Dai Williams believes this is a new class of weapons using enriched uranium, not through fission processes but through new physical processes kept secret for at least 20 years.

Physicist Emilio del Giudice form the National Institute of Nuclear Phisics came to the same conlcusion: "There are two ways to explain the origin of the enriched uranium found in Khiam:

About the origin of enriched Uranium there are two possibilities:

1) this material was present already in the structure of the bombs, but I am puzzled since one should explain the rationale of the use of a material which is both expensive and dangerous , because of its enhanced radioactivity, to people handling it , including military personnel of Israeli Army.

2) the enrichment has been the consequence of the use of the bomb; this possibility is hardly compatible with the known effects of conventional nuclear weapons and should imply that some newly discovered nuclear phenomenon could be at work.

The Israeli army denied the use of uranium-based weapons in Lebanon. So, how can people defend themselves from potential uranium-related harm? What precautions will the Unifil troops in the area take, and what kind of testing has been carried out to prevent the risks? The documentary directly covers those qestions.

Translation by Desiree Berlangieri and Maria Letizia Tesorini

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchieste/09112006_bomba_ing.a
 
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Researcher Dai Williams believes this is a new class of weapons using enriched uranium, not through fission processes but through new physical processes kept secret for at least 20 years.

if it's been kept secret such that they still don't know what it is then how would they know how long it's been a secret?
 
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if it's been kept secret such that they still don't know what it is then how would they know how long it's been a secret?

Because the DoD is not working with Israel on the this weapon, in violation of the non-proliferation treaty according the INC that much is common public knowladge
 
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Global Research, November 11, 2006
RAI News (translated from the ItaIian) - 2006-11-09

KHIAM SOUTHERN LEBANON
A BOMB'S ANATOMY

By Flaviano Masella, Angelo Saso, Maurizio Torrealta



The special report was triggered by the radioactivity measurements reported on a crater probably created by an Israeli Bunker Buster bomb in the village of Khiam, in southern Lebanon. The measurements were carried out by two Lebanese professors of physics - Mohammad Ali Kubaissi and Ibrahim Rachidi. The data - 700 nanosieverts per hour – showed remarkably higher radiocativity then the average in the area (Beirut = 35 nSv/hr ). Successivamente, on September 17th, Ali Kubaissi took British researcher Dai Williams, from the environmentalist organization Green Audit, to the same site, to take samples that were then submitted to Chris Busby, technical adisor of the Supervisory Committee on Depleted Uranium, which reports to the British Ministry of Defense. The samples were tested by Harwell's nuclear laboratory, one of the most authoritative research centers in the world. On October 17th, Harwell disclosed the testing results - two samples in 10 did contain radioactivity.

On November 2nd, another British lab, The School of Oceanographic Sciences, confirmed Harwell's results – the Khiam crater contains slightly enriched uranium. Rainews24 also took a sample taken by Dai Williams for testing by the Department of Earth Sciences of the University of Ferrara. The testing - which is still ongoing - found an anomalous structure: the sample's surface includes alluminium and iron silicates, normal elements in a soil fragment. Yet, looking inside, estremely small bubbles can be found with high concentration of iron. Further testing will clarify the origin of these structures: what seems to be certain at the moment is that they are not caused by a natural process.

What kind of weapon is this? What weapon leaves traces of radiation and produces such lethal and circumscribed consequences?

Researcher Dai Williams believes this is a new class of weapons using enriched uranium, not through fission processes but through new physical processes kept secret for at least 20 years.

Physicist Emilio del Giudice form the National Institute of Nuclear Phisics came to the same conlcusion: "There are two ways to explain the origin of the enriched uranium found in Khiam:

About the origin of enriched Uranium there are two possibilities:

1) this material was present already in the structure of the bombs, but I am puzzled since one should explain the rationale of the use of a material which is both expensive and dangerous , because of its enhanced radioactivity, to people handling it , including military personnel of Israeli Army.

2) the enrichment has been the consequence of the use of the bomb; this possibility is hardly compatible with the known effects of conventional nuclear weapons and should imply that some newly discovered nuclear phenomenon could be at work.

The Israeli army denied the use of uranium-based weapons in Lebanon. So, how can people defend themselves from potential uranium-related harm? What precautions will the Unifil troops in the area take, and what kind of testing has been carried out to prevent the risks? The documentary directly covers those qestions.

Translation by Desiree Berlangieri and Maria Letizia Tesorini

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchieste/09112006_bomba_ing.a

Thanks for the link!:)
 
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