Building a third temple in jerusalem.

[Frogster]

Well,all I can say is when zealous Christian Zionists,are propogating the rebuilding,in a move of the flesh to bring on the "rapture",they are aiding in a movement,that slaps Jesus right in the face.

Animals again? I thought there was no more need of that.

Hebrews 10:18 And when sins have been forgiven, there is no need to offer any more sacrifices.

 

[visionary]

I do not believe that Chrisitan Zionists are propogating the rebuilding to bring on the rapture. At least I hope not. I believe the rebuilding of the temple and the restart of the services are designed for a time and place in prophecy.

 

[Frogster]

I do not believe that Chrisitan Zionists are propogating the rebuilding to bring on the rapture. At least I hope not. I believe the rebuilding of the temple and the restart of the services are designed for a time and place in prophecy.

Services that have to do with sin,cleansing,and the priesthood?

 

[HEisGoodalways]

What does any of this have to do with christ? for it is written Jesus is the temple and we are His body. Flesh allway's wants to see flesh.

No. He means the embodiment of the foretold ‘man of sin’, which we are warned about time and time again in both the old and new covenants.

The man of sin is simply our fleshly sinful nature which is dethroned off the center of our hearts as we allow Christ to be King of our temple-we are the temple of the Holy Spirit

Well,all I can say is when zealous Christian Zionists,are propogating the rebuilding,in a move of the flesh to bring on the "rapture",they are aiding in a movement,that slaps Jesus right in the face.

Animals again? I thought there was no more need of that.

Hebrews 10:18 And when sins have been forgiven, there is no need to offer any more sacrifices.

Jesus said "My Word is Spirit and life" There is spiritual meaning hidden behind the literal words in the bible, and they apply to our spiritual lives!!

The biggest deception in the history of the church is taking the Words literally

 

[Deba]

The biggest deception in the history of the church is taking the Words literally

 

[Frogster]

The man of sin is simply our fleshly sinful nature which is dethroned off the center of our hearts as we allow Christ to be King of our temple-we are the temple of the Holy Spirit





Jesus said "My Word is Spirit and life" There is spiritual meaning hidden behind the literal words in the bible, and they apply to our spiritual lives!!

The biggest deception in the history of the church is taking the Words literally

Hi!
Eph 2 and 1 Pet 2,are quite clea,we are the spiritual temple now,we are the house as per 1 Cor 3,and Hebrews 3,says we are the house.

Without getting into the whole rapture,temple issue.I will say this.A prophecy of a future event(if those prophecies are interpreted correctly)does not mean that God wants that event,or it is his will.

No way would he want Christians to suppoert a system that walks all over the atonement.

John Hagee spent 3 million,to build a synagogue there.Gee,are we to think that Jesus is preached in that structure?

 

[cyberlizard]

Well,all I can say is when zealous Christian Zionists,are propogating the rebuilding,in a move of the flesh to bring on the "rapture",they are aiding in a movement,that slaps Jesus right in the face.

Animals again? I thought there was no more need of that.

Hebrews 10:18 And when sins have been forgiven, there is no need to offer any more sacrifices.

this all depends on how you understand the book of Hebrews... my book of hebrews teaches the comparision between the earthly (then temple) system and the age to come, not the earthly system and the present system.


Steve

p.s. animals sacrifices and jesus are not mutually exclusive, the latter gives power to the former. Plus we mostly make the mistake of thinking all animal sacrifices are to do with sin.... this is a great error.

 

[HEisGoodalways]

Hi!
Eph 2 and 1 Pet 2,are quite clea,we are the spiritual temple now,we are the house as per 1 Cor 3,and Hebrews 3,says we are the house.

Without getting into the whole rapture,temple issue.I will say this.A prophecy of a future event(if those prophecies are interpreted correctly)does not mean that God wants that event,or it is his will.

No way would he want Christians to suppoert a system that walks all over the atonement.

John Hagee spent 3 million,to build a synagogue there.Gee,are we to think that Jesus is preached in that structure?

 

[Frogster]

Hello.
Does anyone honestly think that if they rebuild the temple,they wont sacrifice animals for the remission of sins?

 

[psalms 91]

Services that have to do with sin,cleansing,and the priesthood?

What does the bible say? That is your answer. It says that a temple will be built and the Jewish will use it. If they were not then there could be no desecration as described not would the rest of end time prophecy be valid as it would prove it wrong.

 

[Frogster]

What does the bible say? That is your answer. It says that a temple will be built and the Jewish will use it. If they were not then there could be no desecration as described not would the rest of end time prophecy be valid as it would prove it wrong.

What I mean is just because it may happen,does not mean God wants it.Why woulld he want the animal sacrifices to go on again?

Hebrews 10:18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

 

[JEBrady]

No one should think that Judaism is Christianity, certainly. God's stated that there's still one unfulfilled "seven" or week of years that He is going to deal with them as a nation. He said He won't return until they say, "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".

Well, He's coming, and they're going to say it.

The thing Christians can take home from these happenings is that the time is short. We should be about Father's business, and anyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, even as He is pure.

That, I believe, is the point. Look up! Your redemption draws near!

 

[Codger]

Won't it be interesting when someone is able to stand up and solve that problem?

It's not a problem. The place they call the Temple Mount today is historically the Fortress Antonia. The Temple in Jesus' day was situated south of this fortress.

They could build the Temple tomorrow if they wanted to. All they would have to do is is move a highway and a few structures. Jesus said the Temple would be totally destroyed and not one stone would be left upon another - and so it was - nothing exists today of the original structure - nothing. The real Temple Mount was 450 feet high (pinnacle) on the SE corner with another 150 feet underground. The present so called Temple Mount is no where near that height. History bears this out.

 

[ARBITER01]

The thing Christians can take home from these happenings is that the time is short. We should be about Father's business, and anyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, even as He is pure.

That, I believe, is the point. Look up! Your redemption draws near!

Exactly!

We have to be constantly drawing nigh unto GOD so that HE can draw nigh unto us. Holiness is of GOD, and we only receive it from HIM.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

It's not a problem. The place they call the Temple Mount today is historically the Fortress Antonia. The Temple in Jesus' day was situated south of this fortress.

They could build the Temple tomorrow if they wanted to. All they would have to do is is move a highway and a few structures. Jesus said the Temple would be totally destroyed and not one stone would be left upon another - and so it was - nothing exists today of the original structure - nothing. The real Temple Mount was 450 feet high (pinnacle) on the SE corner with another 150 feet underground. The present so called Temple Mount is no where near that height. History bears this out.

The Dome of the Rock is said to be built on the gentile court, so a new temple could go up beside it and still be where the old one was. (I'm not sure if that's true or not. Maybe others would know)

 

[HEisGoodalways]

Hello.
Does anyone honestly think that if they rebuild the temple,they wont sacrifice animals for the remission of sins?

What does the bible say? That is your answer. It says that a temple will be built and the Jewish will use it. If they were not then there could be no desecration as described not would the rest of end time prophecy be valid as it would prove it wrong.

They probably will get it rebuilt and will do there religous sacrifices but it will not be of God, His Truth will continue to move forward no matter what man made religous system is put together, it will just be another false religous system because they are not getting the Truth behind the scriptures

The Truth is that we, His body, are the temple of His Holy Spirit, and He[Jesus] is the head of the body, we are part of His SPIRITUAL body, it is not a literal or natural temple or body, it is SPIRITUAL!! And we will get stronger and stronger as the world gets worse and worse, people repent and join the truth as the world continues to go haywire because they will have no where else to turn

 

[Codger]

Why the Temple will never be rebuilt.

The Tabernacle/Temple was based on three different ideas. The basic layout was reflected by the garden of Eden. Added to this were things of heaven and also God's plan of salvation – very ingenious.

The later temples were based on the tabernacle. The first one was built by Solomon - David's son. It was destroyed when Israel went into captivity in Babylon. God gave Israel 40 years to repent according to Ezekiel and he did the same for Herod's Temple.

When the Jews came back from the captivity in Babylon, they wanted to rebuild the temple, but they were in a quandary. The writings of Ezekiel were widely known, but these specifications were so undefined that they finally decided to build a copy of Solomons temple with a few items taken from from Ezekiel temple. (Artscroll Mishna commentary)

God serendipitously sent Jesus to the cross to atone for the whole world. But on the day of Pentecost Peter preached a very significant sermon to all of Israel. He said that they crucified the messiah – but now all could come to him for forgiveness – thousands did. God gave Israel 40 years (30AD to 70AD) to repent. In those days the Disciples and Apostles went to all of the known world as a witness.

In 66AD the end times had come - for this was the year of the beginning of the Jewish revolt against Rome. When Jesus died the New Covenant was established in his blood. The Old Covenant place of meeting was no longer needed as the New Holy of Holies was now within the believers. The old Holy of Holies was symbolically the place in the garden where God walked and talked with Adam and Eve. The rending of the Veil of the Temple opened the gates to the Garden once again. God once again walks and talks with all of his people. We're back in the garden of Eden again - symbolically.

God gave Israel many, many signs in that 40 years. It has been recorded that a bright light appeared over the alter for about an hour and removed to the summit of the Mount of Olives for a period of 3 ½ years – the Shekinah. The massive doors of the Nicanor gate swung open at night by themselves – it took twenty men to open them normally. A sound of many voices said that they were departing hence. The scarlet cord never turned white in all those 40 years. In the scapegoat ritual the priests drew by lottery the black stone all 40 times – never the white. The western light (center – Edersheim) on the huge menorah in the Holy Place would go out every night. This light was symbolic of Jesus and was never to be extinguished. God gave Israel all kinds of signs pointing them to the Cross of Jesus. The Shikinah glory departed from the Temple for the Mount of Olives - just before the destruction of the temple - never to return again.

2 Thes. 2:7 (KJV)
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

It was he who allowed the total destruction to occurr. With the destruction of the temple the Old Covenant and all of its animal sacrifices and rituals were done away with just like a placenta after the birth.

The Jews have been trying to return to their homeland and rebuild the Temple since 70AD when Israel was destroyed by the Romans – so the idea that the Jews are only recently inspired to return to Palestine is an error - this is nothing new. The problem that they have had is that they have always been an occupied minority and could never get the acquiescence of any government long enough to accomplish their goals – until the USA came along that is. The Jews have tried to do a restart all through history, but God has continually frustrated their efforts. They have made at least three attempts of record and the closest they came to rebuilding the Temple was under the Emperor Constantine, who had given them permission to do so. But under pressure from the Christian leadership he was convinced that he had made a mistake. He recanted and had the ears cut off of all the priests and craftsmen, so the work stopped. A deformed person was not allowed to build the temple. So the works fell into ruin. In the ruins of the partially rebuilt Temple was a section of the western wall of the Holy of Holies. This was the original or real “wailing wall” of the Jews. On the first day of Passover (Easter) while the Jews were meeting in a cave used as a Synagogue under the ruins of the Temple site - the wall suddenly collapsed. The significance of this event is that this was the day that Jesus was crucified long ago. Another “arrow” pointing to something – the cross.

Even today the Jews are still totally frustrated in their forth attempt to rebuild the Temple because of the fact that the Muslims have control of the so called “temple mount.” This makes their plans impossible because of the potential violence of acquiring the temple mount from the Muslims. Actually, the complete temple was totally destroyed as Jesus predicted – not one stone was left upon another. What they are calling the temple mount today is in fact the Fortress Antonia. This is born out by hundreds of historical records. If they weren't so dogmatic on their beliefs - they could start tomorrow on their new Temple simply by moving a few things including a highway.

The answer is that God only has one plan of Salvation – there is no optional one that reverts to the closed covenant of the past. He is herding the Jews through pressure back to the cross and not backward to the old system of symbolic rituals which all depicted the Spiritual realm of the Messiah. When I see how God has frustrated all four or maybe more unrecorded attempts so far - I am convinced that the Temple that the Radical Jews and the Christian Zionists so earnestly desire because it is a major prerequisite of their complex Eschatological beliefs. The Temple will never be rebuilt again based on Gods past actions.

Larry

 

[Faulty]

It’s interesting that you should use the reformation of the Jewish nation of Israel as an example of God frustrating their plans, considering the reformation of Israel is exactly what happened.

This wasn’t of the will of Jews, because when they tried it on their own, it was unsuccessful due to many difficulties that prevented it from occurring. But when it came time for it to happen, and for Ezekiel 37 to be fulfilled, God removed all stumbling blocks and they came back together in His perfect time.

Likewise, when the time is right for the Temple to be rebuilt, God will remove the opposition and it will be rebuilt according to His will, not the will of the Jews or anyone else.

(Seems to me your logic concludes the Temple must be rebuilt, but your actual conclusion takes a left turn somewhere.)

 

[HEisGoodalways]

Why the Temple will never be rebuilt.


The Tabernacle/Temple was based on three different ideas. The basic layout was reflected by the garden of Eden. Added to this were things of heaven and also God's plan of salvation – very ingenious.


The later temples were based on the tabernacle. The first one was built by Solomon - David's son. It was destroyed when Israel went into captivity in Babylon. God gave Israel 40 years to repent according to Ezekiel and he did the same for Herod's Temple.


When the Jews came back from the captivity in Babylon, they wanted to rebuild the temple, but they were in a quandary. The writings of Ezekiel were widely known, but these specifications were so undefined that they finally decided to build a copy of Solomons temple with a few items taken from from Ezekiel temple. (Artscroll Mishna commentary)


God serendipitously sent Jesus to the cross to atone for the whole world. But on the day of Pentecost Peter preached a very significant sermon to all of Israel. He said that they crucified the messiah – but now all could come to him for forgiveness – thousands did. God gave Israel 40 years (30AD to 70AD) to repent. In those days the Disciples and Apostles went to all of the known world as a witness.


In 66AD the end times had come - for this was the year of the beginning of the Jewish revolt against Rome. When Jesus died the New Covenant was established in his blood. The Old Covenant place of meeting was no longer needed as the New Holy of Holies was now within the believers. The old Holy of Holies was symbolically the place in the garden where God walked and talked with Adam and Eve. The rending of the Veil of the Temple opened the gates to the Garden once again. God once again walks and talks with all of his people. We're back in the garden of Eden again - symbolically.

God gave Israel many, many signs in that 40 years. It has been recorded that a bright light appeared over the alter for about an hour and removed to the summit of the Mount of Olives for a period of 3 ½ years – the Shekinah. The massive doors of the Nicanor gate swung open at night by themselves – it took twenty men to open them normally. A sound of many voices said that they were departing hence. The scarlet cord never turned white in all those 40 years. In the scapegoat ritual the priests drew by lottery the black stone all 40 times – never the white. The western light (center – Edersheim) on the huge menorah in the Holy Place would go out every night. This light was symbolic of Jesus and was never to be extinguished. God gave Israel all kinds of signs pointing them to the Cross of Jesus. The Shikinah glory departed the Mount of Olives just before the destruction of the temple never to return again. It was he who allowed the total destruction to occurr. With the destruction of the temple the Old Covenant and all of its animal sacrifices and rituals were done away with just like a placenta after the birth.


The Jews have been trying to return to their homeland and rebuild the Temple since 70AD when Israel was destroyed by the Romans – so the idea that the Jews are only recently inspired to return to Palestine is an error - this is nothing new. The problem that they have had is that they have always been an occupied minority and could never get the acquiescence of any government long enough to accomplish their goals – until the USA came along that is. The Jews have tried to do a restart all through history, but God has continually frustrated their efforts. They have made at least three attempts of record and the closest they came to rebuilding the Temple was under the Emperor Constantine, who had given them permission to do so. But under pressure from the Christian leadership he was convinced that he had made a mistake. He recanted and had the ears cut off of all the priests and craftsmen, so the work stopped. A deformed person was not allowed to build the temple. So the works fell into ruin. In the ruins of the partially rebuilt Temple was a section of the western wall of the Holy of Holies. This was the original or real “wailing wall” of the Jews. On the first day of Passover (Easter) while the Jews were meeting in a cave used as a Synagogue under the ruins of the Temple site - the wall suddenly collapsed. The significance of this event is that this was the day that Jesus was crucified long ago. Another “arrow” pointing to something – the cross.


Even today the Jews are still totally frustrated in their forth attempt to rebuild the Temple because of the fact that the Muslims have control of the so called “temple mount.” This makes their plans impossible because of the potential violence of acquiring the temple mount from the Muslims. Actually, the complete temple was totally destroyed as Jesus predicted – not one stone was left upon another. What they are calling the temple mount today is in fact the Fortress Antonia. This is born out by hundreds of historical records. If they weren't so dogmatic on their beliefs - they could start tomorrow on their new Temple simply by moving a few things including a highway.


The answer is that God only has one plan of Salvation – there is no optional one that reverts to the closed covenant of the past. He is herding the Jews through pressure back to the cross and not backward to the old system of symbolic rituals which all depicted the Spiritual realm of the Messiah. When I see how God has frustrated all four or maybe more unrecorded attempts so far - I am convinced that the Temple that the Radical Jews and the Christian Zionists so earnestly desire because it is a major prerequisite of their complex Eschatological beliefs. The Temple will never be rebuilt again based on Gods past actions.

Excellent points bro, if it doesn't get rebuilt then there goes the false teaching of a literal anti-christ, what is your opinion of a literal antichrist?

 

[Frogster]

They probably will get it rebuilt and will do there religous sacrifices but it will not be of God, His Truth will continue to move forward no matter what man made religous system is put together, it will just be another false religous system because they are not getting the Truth behind the scriptures

The Truth is that we, His body, are the temple of His Holy Spirit, and He[Jesus] is the head of the body, we are part of His SPIRITUAL body, it is not a literal or natural temple or body, it is SPIRITUAL!! And we will get stronger and stronger as the world gets worse and worse, people repent and join the truth as the world continues to go haywire because they will have no where else to turn

I totally agree with you.
He let the other 2 get knocked down,what has changed that he would want a third.
He is still our heavenly eternal high priest,and is sitting down,something no earthly priest could do.