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Brothers and Sisters, is it TIME FOR WRATH???

Is it Time to start Preaching the Wrath of God???

  • Yes! Preach the Word!!! Wrath is part of God's message.

  • No. I do not think this is good for God's people or heathen.

  • Maybe, I'm not sure if we need to go this harsh.

  • Not yet. We should hold off for a few more years.

  • I am a heathen and hate this kind of preaching.


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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, bleeh, blah...ect...
This is pretty much what I have come to expect from most of your posts.
It used to be entertaining, but I am growing bored of your polarized preaching.

I know, as far as you are concerning I will be thrown into the flames of Hell, burn for all eternity, suffer beyond all belief, and regret not adopting your interpretation of God. Yawn...
 
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Vene, even SoF would be suspect during the Inquisition. He's a Calvinist and if I'm not mistaken, the Calvinists were hunted mercilessly.
Perhaps, but if it was his denomination doing the torturing I bet that he would leap up and volunteer.
 
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I never said I was worthy of Heaven. Just eternal torture is a barbaric thing to do to anybody.

Just sending one person to Hell alone causes more pain than all the wrongdoings ever committed on earth combined. How can that possibly be considered justice? Answer the question for once.

M, it is easy to see the lake of fire and think along the lines of what you are saying. That is if you are looking at it only from a human perspective.

If we look at it from GOD'S perspective, you might see it differently.

M, HE has given mankind great and awesome blessings. He has done wonderous things. His universe is awe inspiring and wonderful to behold. It is HIS. He owns it and He created it.

We forget that all the time. He is the lawgiver. He expects us to abide by His law. He wants us to be obedient to Him. We are His creatures. When we disobey Him, we are breaking His laws and disrespecting Him. We are being little rebels in His Kingdom. He will not permit this. He gets very angry and will make all things right.

The lake of fire is His way of punishing evil. He has created this place and will fill it with the wicked. They have rebelled against Him and He will in no way take this offense and let it ride.

M, that is where the CROSS comes into play. HE took all this filth and sin upon Himself and bore our sins!!! THAT IS WHY HE TAKES SO MUCH OFFENSE AT THIS VILE REBELLION OF OURS!

ALL THAT PAIN, HUMILIATION (remember, He was crucified naked on that cross. That was very shameful.), SUFFERING, AND HATRED HE ENDURED AT THE HANDS OF SINNERS!!! He takes a personal afront to. He has the right to burn sinners alive for all eternity for there rebellion.

That is why He is always calling us to REPENT! To turn completely away from walking the way of the world and it's rebellion toward Him.

He has given us the opportunity to turn away from this vile rebellion and turn toward Him. Awesome!!!

So turn!!! Do an about face. Run from the rebellion and turn to Him and fall into His arms. He is there to receive anyone who turns from their rebellion and runs toward Him.

The nail scared wrists are there, His hands of love and kindness are there to receive you any time you decide that you want to stop the rebellion and come humbly to Him.

Read:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: --John 1

Let's see that again:

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: --John 1


Awesome!

We must all bow our knee to Him. Better to do it here and now, then when the rebellious are forced to do it and then thrown into the lake of fire.

M, as long as you are still breathing here on this earth, you have a chance to repent and stop your rebellion toward Him. I hope one day you see this and turn from your rebellion and believe and become born again.

I would love to see everyone here get saved!!! Awesome!

I pray that God drags you to Himself. Amen. :prayer:
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No...

Because I dont believe in God's wrath...and for people like myself I think it does more harm then Good...

However for those who want to hear it...then go listen to it in your own private corners and don't involve others of us who dont believe in it :)

Peace
 
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No...

Because I dont believe in God's wrath...and for people like myself I think it does more harm then Good...

However for those who want to hear it...then go listen to it in your own private corners and don't involve others of us who dont believe in it :)

Peace
Sister, please explain this passage of Scripture to me:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, --2 Thessalonians 1[/FONT]
 
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Brother...
Im not a Bible Scholar and Im not claiming to be one...
However Im more likely to trust in God than in a book inspired by God and written by men that I find many passages very hurtful towards me...

Id rather believe in God the Creator...the God who appeared to us in Jesus and died because of us (the evil of humanity)-paying the price for us...
Id rather believe in the God that is with us each moment of our lives every where we are no matter what...and is always loving us...(may get discougaged and upset but still stands by his/her Creation/Children).

Sorry brother if this doesnt sit right with you...but this is how I need to believe...
Peace and GodBless
 
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Originally Posted by CaptainYesterday
SoF must sit in front of his computer chuckling all day long y'know. I would say it's a near certainty that he's not a christian at all and he gets a kick out of using christianity itself to mock other christians. I mean, nobody could possibly be serious about leading other people to a conversion and go about it the way he does. His method is all but guaranteed to to result in more deconversions than conversions lol.
The forums aren't what they used to be. There really isn't alot of strick. fundamental christans posting nowadays that I don't have marked as POE's or angry teenagers.
 
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Brother...
Im not a Bible Scholar and Im not claiming to be one...
However Im more likely to trust in God than in a book inspired by God and written by men that I find many passages very hurtful towards me...

Id rather believe in God the Creator...the God who appeared to us in Jesus and died because of us (the evil of humanity)-paying the price for us...
Id rather believe in the God that is with us each moment of our lives every where we are no matter what...and is always loving us...(may get discougaged and upset but still stands by his/her Creation/Children).

Sorry brother if this doesnt sit right with you...but this is how I need to believe...
Peace and GodBless
Your faith is a living faith, from what you describe - one that is constantly molded and reverified by the work of the Holy Spirit in your life. I'm very happy for you that you feel God interacting with you in such a positive manner.:thumbsup:
 
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However Im more likely to trust in God than in a book inspired by God and written by men that I find many passages very hurtful towards me...

That is a complete contradiction in terms. Rather, there are some things in the bible that you don't agree with and clash with your lifestyle. And thus you create an image of your own version of God. You say you don't believe in the wrath of God. When you take away justice there can be no love. As Christ says , fear him who can put both body and spirit in hell, fear him..


The begining of the fear of God is the begining of wisdom. Wise words from King Solomon..If you have no fear of God in your heart, you have no true wisdom of him..If you reject the word of God, you reject God/Christ himself..
 
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The forums aren't what they used to be. There really isn't alot of strick. fundamental christans posting nowadays that I don't have marked as POE's or angry teenagers.

Agreed. We don't even get the really good posts from the secular folk anymore, as all they are able to do is respond to absolute nonsense, gibberish and hell-threats.

I miss the days of 20-page threads full of great posts by JaneTheBane or TheBeastt etc ... That's not to say current posters aren't as intelligent or worth reading as back then, just that the competition being offered to them leaves them no opportunity for worthy writing.

What happened to make this place go so bad?
 
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My penny for the Guy,

SoF I think you've lost track of what religion is for. Its there to help us, give us something to hold on to, give us hope, give us guidance, and to give us comfort in times of hardship. You seem to view it as a weapon, to be used against others and to defend yourself.

I do not fear death, nor do I fear God. When I die, I believe my soul will go to a place of rest and reflection before being reborn. If I am met with God when I die, I'll stand on my own two feet, hoist m'self up high and say to him "I have lived a good and full life. I loved my wife and honored my friends. I acted honorably and dedicated myself to being a better person and to harming none that did not deserve it. I had sword ready to strike down the wicked and shield ready to defend all who I could. If that be a crime, then I wish to spend not another second in your company and demand that you damn me to hell where they might better appreciate a man who stands up for himself."

Threats of damnation and hellfire do not frighten me. If God is good and just as you claim, then he will see that I strive to be a good and decent man and lift me up to heaven. If he cannot see this and damns me for not clutching his robe with groveling fear then I will be damned but I will know that God is neither just nor kind. Either way, I will be fulfilled.

And if I should turn out to be right and God is not just nor kind, you will find me slamming away at the forges of hell singing...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwaVvF7rdU
 
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That is a complete contradiction in terms. Rather, there are some things in the bible that you don't agree with and clash with your lifestyle. And thus you create an image of your own version of God. You say you don't believe in the wrath of God. When you take away justice there can be no love. As Christ says , fear him who can put both body and spirit in hell, fear him..


The begining of the fear of God is the begining of wisdom. Wise words from King Solomon..If you have no fear of God in your heart, you have no true wisdom of him..If you reject the word of God, you reject God/Christ himself..
Great post.
 
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My penny for the Guy,

SoF I think you've lost track of what religion is for. Its there to help us, give us something to hold on to, give us hope, give us guidance, and to give us comfort in times of hardship. You seem to view it as a weapon, to be used against others and to defend yourself.

I do not fear death, nor do I fear God. When I die, I believe my soul will go to a place of rest and reflection before being reborn. If I am met with God when I die, I'll stand on my own two feet, hoist m'self up high and say to him "I have lived a good and full life. I loved my wife and honored my friends. I acted honorably and dedicated myself to being a better person and to harming none that did not deserve it. I had sword ready to strike down the wicked and shield ready to defend all who I could. If that be a crime, then I wish to spend not another second in your company and demand that you damn me to hell where they might better appreciate a man who stands up for himself."

Threats of damnation and hellfire do not frighten me. If God is good and just as you claim, then he will see that I strive to be a good and decent man and lift me up to heaven. If he cannot see this and damns me for not clutching his robe with groveling fear then I will be damned but I will know that God is neither just nor kind. Either way, I will be fulfilled.

And if I should turn out to be right and God is not just nor kind, you will find me slamming away at the forges of hell singing...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwaVvF7rdU

Once again you fail to see what Christianity is. It is not religion. You can have any religion you want, go! Christianity is a RELATIONSHIP with Messiah. All religions are mans attempts at reaching something/someone. CHRISTIANITY IS GOD REACHING DOWN TO MAN AND MAKING HIM BORN AGAIN. IT'S ALL HIS WORK, NOTHING TO DO WITH MANS WORK.

That is why most stumble upon it. As for your not falling on your knees and asking forgiveness; well if you are too proud to come to GOD on His terms, then you will pay the consequences.

You either come to God with a broken and contrite heart and ask for forgiveness for your sins and ask to become born again; or you stay a Sinner in the hands of an Angry God.

I hope for your sake God drags you to Himself. If He does, you will bow the knee and become born again.
 
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Once again you fail to see what Christianity is. It is not religion. You can have any religion you want, go! Christianity is a RELATIONSHIP with Messiah. All religions are mans attempts at reaching something/someone. CHRISTIANITY IS GOD REACHING DOWN TO MAN AND MAKING HIM BORN AGAIN. IT'S ALL HIS WORK, NOTHING TO DO WITH MANS WORK.

That is why most stumble upon it. As for your not falling on your knees and asking forgiveness; well if you are too proud to come to GOD on His terms, then you will pay the consequences.

You either come to God with a broken and contrite heart and ask for forgiveness for your sins and ask to become born again; or you stay a Sinner in the hands of an Angry God.

I hope for your sake God drags you to Himself. If He does, you will bow the knee and become born again.
So if that is the case, why in Hell (and I'm not blaspheming here) are you lying about Him?

Jesus Christ, our Savior and Lord, and His disciples, speak of a god of love and forgiveness, whose mercy is over all His works, and who condemns, not human weakness and need, but judgmentalism and legalism to think oneself better in His eyes than another.

Let me ask, ShieldOfFaith, would you be a Calvinist if you did not think yourself among the elect? What does Jesus say about that attitude as He sees it exhibited among the Jews of His time on Earth?

And by contrast, what does He say to sexual sinners? (The FULL quote, please, if you answer what I think you will.)

What lesson may we draw from that?
 
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Once again you fail to see what Christianity is. It is not religion. You can have any religion you want, go! Christianity is a RELATIONSHIP with Messiah. All religions are mans attempts at reaching something/someone. CHRISTIANITY IS GOD REACHING DOWN TO MAN AND MAKING HIM BORN AGAIN. IT'S ALL HIS WORK, NOTHING TO DO WITH MANS WORK.

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Okay... if you are renouncing Christianity as a religion, then you are renouncing its tax-exempt status. So pony up.

I hope for your sake God drags you to Himself. If He does, you will bow the knee and become born again.

I bow to no man, least of all a murdering god. But if god doesn't want slaves, why would he "drag" anyone to himself?
 
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The red and blue font to highlight the discrepancy.
You say that you preach "in love" - but then if someone isn't convinced by you, you say "oh well".
Oh well - off to hell with them, I suppose..."
Very loving.

Wow. Post it in redand blue an suddenly what YOU THOUGHT I was saying is asribed to me.

Nice try.Oh well is right because I'm not trying to convince anyone.
 
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That is a complete contradiction in terms. Rather, there are some things in the bible that you don't agree with and clash with your lifestyle. And thus you create an image of your own version of God. You say you don't believe in the wrath of God. When you take away justice there can be no love. As Christ says , fear him who can put both body and spirit in hell, fear him..


The begining of the fear of God is the begining of wisdom. Wise words from King Solomon..If you have no fear of God in your heart, you have no true wisdom of him..If you reject the word of God, you reject God/Christ himself..

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!!! Excellent post.
 
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