Britian leaving EU?

[Strong in Him]

and for the life of me I've never understood why Scotland wasn't independent.

Possibly because they get free prescriptions and eye tests etc - funded by the English.
They had a referendum last year on leaving the U.K. Everyone said the result would be very close a that they might vote to leave - in fact they voted to stay, by a margin of 10%. Nicola Sturgeon is currently trying to get another referendum.

 

[Jutta2]

Ireland has needed to be united for a long time, and for the life of me I've never understood why Scotland wasn't independent. It seems to me it's all been part of England hanging on to being dominant, but what do I know. I'm glad America stays out of their business and lets them work it out on their own.

I can understand it. As Scotland held its referendum, said the Prime Minister Cameron, they would also lose its place in the EU, and would have to start anew. For many, this was a motive to stay in the UK. Now that England wants to leave the EU (the result of the referendum was extremely tight, so, there would have been the other way round, the UCIP leader wanted a new referendum); want the Scots out of Britain. Incidentally, the money, which will have to pay the Scots because of oil drilling to London would come at a Scottish independence again the Scots to Good. And the taxes on their wonderful whiskey would not collect London, but Edinburgh.
Northern Ireland and Ireland belongs together, as it was before. There were British politicians and military, which both separated from each other, and the Catholic Irish population suppressed because they wanted to be free from the British yoke. Now that the British want to leave the EU, for Irish the chance to reunite. And, if a British politician or soldier should this attempt to prevent by force, the British will be revealed as hypocrites for something calling (referendum), what they do not admit their own people.

 

[Jutta2]

Possibly because they get free prescriptions and eye tests etc - funded by the English.
They had a referendum last year on leaving the U.K. Everyone said the result would be very close a that they might vote to leave - in fact they voted to stay, by a margin of 10%. Nicola Sturgeon is currently trying to get another referendum.

And I pray for her, that she (Nicola Sturgeon) win this referendum. Scottland needs to be a free country, without the british paternalism. London does little for the Scots, but requires a lot from them. It is time, to show in London the "red card".

 

[Jutta2]

We are still IN Europe just not part of the political union. We are also still in the Commonwealth, Nato etc. We can now do deals with other countries, and since the referendum some people have admitted that, yes, we can survive outside the EU.

What the British government has always done and always was, to get the raisins from the EU-cake, the whole cake, or a piece of it, but never want to eat. And now they expect it will run the same way. In the negotiations with the EU This is not only naive, that is stupid! The British will have to pay dearly for their NO to the EU. And yes, the Brits can may survive, but, what is the price for it?

In a few years time we might be saying "that was the worst thing we ever did" - or, in a few years time the EU might have collapsed and need rebuilding and other countries could be saying "thank you Britain for being brave enough to lead the way". We just don't know.
Scripture says that there is a time to tear down and a time to rebuild - how do we know that this wasn't the right time to tear down?

Both can happen. But at the moment the EU is much stronger than the British think. I agree with some points of criticism of the British EU opponents. The EU needs to be reformed. A "business as usual" is dangerous. But instead of the EU to help in the reforms, and enforce them with other countries, the British as a defiant and pouting child back off, because it does not have the leadership. This is counterproductive.

And it's rather insulting to say that the British are "too fine" for the work of harvesting.

But it is true! British farmers, landowners and other agriculture cooperatives have complained in the UK for years that they get too few British workers for agricultural work. Through the EU free movement, many Poles and Romanians came to UK, so that farmers can enter their fruits and vegetables again. These foreign workers toil for money below the minimum wage in many instances, because English working this work does not want to do. Let's see what happens when the UK throw out these Poles, Bulgarians and Romanians of the country, who then enters the harvest?

 

[Jutta2]

I found this at the "Spiegel" (a German Magazine:

Despite Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union: solidarity with the United Kingdom remains

Many people in this country still feel a close connection with the United Kingdom, whether through studies, work or simply out of sympathy. To illustrate the British in these difficult times that they will remain a part of Europe despite Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union, the newspaper has set "Time" hashtag #WeLoveUKBecause in the world. To put a sign now share thousands of people on Twitter what they have always like about the UK: the best tea in the world, about the famous black humor up to the favorite dish fish and chips, there are a lot of British what Europeans partout not want to miss , Here is a selection of tweets on the topic: (I select a few)
#WeLoveUKBecause you are European no matter what may come. And also: Tea. pic.twitter.com/EQXL9dvUFk
— Maria Deinert (@MirageworksArt) 28. Juni 2016
#WeLoveUKBecause Of kind + always welcoming people, humour, theatre, film, showing the world how tradition + modernism lives together — Katja (@katjpo69) 1. Juli 2016

And here, what Brits anwered:

to #WeLoveUKBecause. We love Deutschland too ! Deep apologies for Farage. Stick with us and we may come through
— Howard Bryant (@HowardBryant) 1. Juli 2016
Busy day yesterday so missed the #WeLoveUKBecause tweets - what an amazing, unifying thing. Thank you Germany, this means so much to so many— Paul Hirons (@Son_Of_Ray) 1. Juli 2016
A sigh of relief,our European friends don't hate us for #brexit #WeLoveUKBecause much needed ! And @LibDems restoring faith in politics!— James Pearce (@JamesPearce1986) 1. Juli 2016
#WeLoveUKBecause thankyou to our German friends. Not all of us wanted Brexit, we need to learn to live with what we now have #lovefromUK — Nicola Saunders (@missnysaunders) 1. Juli 2016

https://twitter.com/missnysaunders/status/748766632181321728
The article closed with this statement:

The #WeLoveUKBecause is a good sign that policy just politics - at the end of the day, however, Europe is much more than that: namely the interconnectedness of people across national boundaries.

Source: http://www.stern.de/digital/online/...ssbritannien-trotz-brexit-lieben-6930234.html

 

[Strong in Him]

The British will have to pay dearly for their NO to the EU. And yes, the Brits can may survive, but, what is the price for it?

Who knows? Maybe it'll be a price worth paying? Maybe it'll lead to increased prosperity.

Both can happen. But at the moment the EU is much stronger than the British think. I agree with some points of criticism of the British EU opponents. The EU needs to be reformed.

Yes. And maybe Britain's exit will trigger that reform.
They said we should try to reform it from the inside - well we didn't manage it in 43 years.

Let's see what happens when the UK throw out these Poles, Bulgarians and Romanians of the country, who then enters the harvest?

Having some control over immigration doesn't mean throwing out all the foreigners and immigrants who are already here! It means that we have more control over who comes here - we, hopefully, won't have the EU saying "you must take X number of refugees".
If someone is offered a job in this country, whether it is picking fruit or nursing, then they have effectively been invited here. And if they have been screened and are legally employed, why should we get rid of them?

There are ignorant racists on the streets at the moment who abuse foreigners and assume that Brexit means they will all be on the next plane home. It doesn't, and I don't believe any politician has stated otherwise.

 

[Strong in Him]

And I pray for her, that she (Nicola Sturgeon) win this referendum. Scottland needs to be a free country, without the british paternalism. London does little for the Scots, but requires a lot from them. It is time, to show in London the "red card".

She hasn't even said yet that she will call one.
But if she does, and if the Scottish people want to separate from the UK and try to join the EU as a new country, then that's what will happen - and good luck to them.

 

[classicalhero]

And I pray for her, that she (Nicola Sturgeon) win this referendum. Scottland needs to be a free country, without the british paternalism. London does little for the Scots, but requires a lot from them. It is time, to show in London the "red card".

I think Scotland will find out just how much they rely on England and will find ut the hard way they will lose more than they will gain.

 

[Jutta2]

I think Scotland will find out just how much they rely on England and will find ut the hard way they will lose more than they will gain.

I never claimed that there is would be an easy walk for Scotland; to leave England and go to the EU. The Scots will lose some, but has also much to win, in which they finally strip off the yoke of another British dominance. And, the Scots are currently much more popular than the English in the EU.