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Britian leaving EU?

TheNorwegian

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I think what EU has done for Britain is best described in this video
https://www.facebook.com/guardianvideo/videos/506861956168239/?fref=nf

Frankly this video is totally misleading and irrelevant as it relates to ECHR NOT EU. Iceland, Russia, Norway & Switzerland have all signed ECHR without being members of EU and there's no reason why UK couldn't do the same. Also the video gives the impression that ECHR is responsible for UK having freedom of expression, right to a fair trial, freedom from torture and slavery, etc, etc. This is totally misleading and pure propaganda - the right to a fair trial, for example, has been part of British law since Magna Carta which was signed in 1215 for goodness sake! To try and give credit to ECHR or EU for this is ridiculous!

This is a very misleading video. Human rights because of EU? Do people believe that European nations outside the EU - lie Iceland, Norway and Switzerland - use torture, have slaves and supress freedom of expression?
 
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This is a very misleading video. Human rights because of EU? Do people believe that European nations outside the EU - lie Iceland, Norway and Switzerland - use torture, have slaves and supress freedom of expression?
that isn't what it says at all but the human rights movement was started in Europe
 
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Yes, in the same way Wales stand for Great Britain
Not in the same way at all, unfortunately England took over Wales insisting they were part of Great Britain- something the welsh aren't happy about, and actually they have a lot to be unhappy with england apart.
The EU helps countries share information on terror, wanted criminals and other important agendas, it is also vitally important for international relations.
 
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Not in the same way at all, unfortunately England took over Wales insisting they were part of Great Britain- something the welsh aren't happy about, and actually they have a lot to be unhappy with england apart..

The comparison was about whether EU = Europe, which it is not

But actually, millions of citizens in various EU countries feel the same as the Welsh: Unfortunately EU (Brussels) insists on pushing their agenda on various nations.

The EU helps countries share information on terror, wanted criminals and other important agendas, it is also vitally important for international relations.

Again, this is not because of EU. Do you not think countries outside the EU share information about terror and wanted criminals? I promise you: If the UK decide to leave EU, Germany will still 'keep in touch' regarding such matters
 
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that isn't what it says at all but the human rights movement was started in Europe
But this happened well before the EU was ever in existence. The fact of the matter is that Britain is basically at the whim of unelected bureaucrats. If the rule of Europe were made by those elected then there might not a strong enough case to leave, but with the current situation the case to leave is very strong.
 
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The fact of the matter is that Britain is basically at the whim of unelected bureaucrats. If the rule of Europe were made by those elected then there might not a strong enough case to leave.

And this is fundamentally the problem and the key difference between the United States of America and the intended United States of Europe that the EU aims to become. The American constitution importantly starts out with "We the people" explicitly declaring that government should always be there to serve the people not the other way round. By contrast Jean-Claude Juncker recently issued a thinly-veiled broadside to Britain’s democracy, by accusing some politicians of being “part-time Europeans” because they listen to their voters too much.
 
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But this happened well before the EU was ever in existence. The fact of the matter is that Britain is basically at the whim of unelected bureaucrats. If the rule of Europe were made by those elected then there might not a strong enough case to leave, but with the current situation the case to leave is very strong.
You ought to 'pull the plug' while the opportunity is still available.

This vote isn't analogous to the Scottish Independence referendum.
 
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Speaking as someone who lived in pre EU Britain...

When we had the original referendum it was to join the EU, which at that time meant Economic Union, i.e. the common market, it was a union designed to allow free trade between the countries who became members.
Even then Heath was only offered a watered down deal as both Germany and France had strong objections to our membership.
(There's gratitude after bailing one out by freeing it from its enemies in two world wars and beating the other in two world wars and helping it rebuild)

The problem is that the EU has gone on to become a political monster, make no bones about it the EU wants complete dictatorial control over every aspect of our lives, the edicts and diktats that are forced upon us every year are beyond a joke, made worse by the fact that France and Germany still try to penalise the UK at any opportunity.

The worst problem is that we have already lost control of our borders and future plans are that the EU will have direct control over all borders.
Everyday we hear of cases of criminals coming into the UK without hinderance as we have to allow free access to any EU citizen, we aren't allowed to check who's coming in and as a result have had numerous murderers and rapists, not to mention gangsters and other criminals. we now have the situation where EU citizens are trafficking in many young and underage girls, forcing them into a life of prostitution, and this is not just in one area but every large town or city in the country.
Such things are just unacceptable.

Just the same with the army, the EU already has plans drawn up for an EU army that will replace all state armies under the direct control of Brussels, not the member states.

It all adds up to the fact that the individual states sovereignty will cease to exist, all decisions will come from Brussels' unelected dictators.

We will be walking into even more of an Orwellian nightmare than we already live in and if you think things are being made uncomfortable for Christians now, well the future will be even worse!

Personally I've had enough of the weak willed liberal wets we have in charge here who bend over backwards to apologise for our countries values and heritage whilst ignoring the majority of the population and almost deifying the minority groups.

Finally the country was fine before the EU, we where prosperous, other nations wanted to trade with us and our economy was fine.
The only difference now is that we have to get over the idea we are a world power to be reckoned with, thats no longer the case, but we are still an island nation that can stand on its own two feet if need be, the British spirit is still there, its just buried under a mountain of political correctness and Brussels diktats.
 
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Frankly, I was glad when the British would go out of the EU. Why? Because the British for ever, and that was in since the days of the evil Mrs. Thatcher so, want a special wish. They want to pay less but get more. They want not to have refugees, but urging Germany to do that. And they complain from morning till night over the EU, receive for their agriculture but with most subsidies from the EU. I hope the British vote for the Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union. Then they see what they earn with it, because all of got to be expensive, and jobs are lost in this little Island.
 
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the EU is a group of countries in Europe, so I guess the EU stands for Europe.

Not correct! Europe is a continent, and the EU is a state formations with common interests and goals. It certainly should be, but, as recent events show, many countries, especially from Eastern Europe, very selfish and xenophobic up racist.
 
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Good point. I guess, a welsh person would a Brit kill for that statement. They are from WALES, not from GREAT BRITAIN!

They may be from Wales but they are still British. They would give their country of residence as UK.
 
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Frankly, I was glad when the British would go out of the EU. Why? Because the British for ever, and that was in since the days of the evil Mrs. Thatcher so, want a special wish. They want to pay less but get more. They want not to have refugees, but urging Germany to do that. And they complain from morning till night over the EU, receive for their agriculture but with most subsidies from the EU. I hope the British vote for the Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union. Then they see what they earn with it, because all of got to be expensive, and jobs are lost in this little Island.

We don't mind taking genuine refugees. We just want to be able to control how many we take, make sure they want, and apply for jobs, not live off our benefits system and not come here just for free health care and then go home again.
I think almost all the above has been happening - I understand that there were leaflets written for people telling them how to get free stuff in Britain. To some people, we are a soft touch.
We are also only a small island and do not have limitless space.
 
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