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[JESUSIAM]

Could someone tell me what was the purpose or meaning of the transfiguration ???

 

[drich0150]

Could someone tell me what was the purpose or meaning of the transfiguration ???

I am confused, is that some how related to this topic?

 

[Woldeyesus]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The Transfiguration is an advanced instruction for very few disciples (three out of twelve). It can best be understood in the larger context of the following 6-point outline of Matt. 16: 13-28; 17: 1-13; 26:64; and 27: 50-56.

1. QUESTION: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"Who do you say I am?" (JESUS CHRIST, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']16:15[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']2. ANSWER: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." (SIMON PETER, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']16:16[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']3. SOLUTION: Jesus proposes a test of his immortality [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']
"Not even death will ever overcome my church” described as the rock foundation of the Messiah's divine identity and authority (JESUS CHRIST, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']16:18[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']4. CLARIFICATION: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The Transfiguration is presented as a foretaste of greater things to come in terms of three points:[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']a) [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Argument leading to the greater Cause, a.k.a., “the living God”, from the lesser effects, the “God of the living”: Moses and Elijah included (Comp. [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']22: 29-32[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']b) [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"The way in which he would soon fulfill God's purpose by dying in Jerusalem" (The greater cause, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Luke 9:31[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']c) [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] "This is my Son, whom I have chosen--listen to him!" (A voice from the cloud, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Ibid 9:35[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']5. LAST REMINDER: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"From this time on, you will see the Son of Man sitting on the right of the Almighty and coming on the clouds of heaven!" (JESUS CHRIST, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Matt. 26:64[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] on the eve of the crucifixion)

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']6. APPLICATION: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']In conclusion, Christ reveals his divine identity through the exercise of his absolute authority over death and life and outpouring of the Holy Spirit for our baptism ([/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Matt. 27: 50-56; John 19: 30-37[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']) [/FONT]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]​

 

[Woldeyesus]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The Transfiguration is an advanced instruction for very few disciples (three out of twelve). It can best be understood in the larger context of the following 6-point outline of Matt. 16: 13-28; 17: 1-13; 26:64; and 27: 50-56.

1. QUESTION: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"Who do you say I am?" (JESUS CHRIST, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']16:15[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']2. ANSWER: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." (SIMON PETER, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']16:16[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']3. SOLUTION: Jesus proposes a test of his immortality [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']
"Not even death will ever overcome my church” described as the rock foundation of the Messiah's divine identity and authority (JESUS CHRIST, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']16:18[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']4. CLARIFICATION: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The Transfiguration is presented as a foretaste of greater things to come in terms of three points:[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']a) [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Argument leading to the greater Cause, a.k.a., “the living God”, from the lesser effects, the “God of the living”: Moses and Elijah included (Comp. [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']22: 29-32[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']b) [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"The way in which he would soon fulfill God's purpose by dying in Jerusalem" (The greater cause, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Luke 9:31[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']c) [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] "This is my Son, whom I have chosen--listen to him!" (A voice from the cloud, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Ibid 9:35[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']5. LAST REMINDER: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"From this time on, you will see the Son of Man sitting on the right of the Almighty and coming on the clouds of heaven!" (JESUS CHRIST, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Matt. 26:64[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] on the eve of the crucifixion)

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']6. APPLICATION: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']In conclusion, Christ reveals his divine identity through the exercise of his absolute authority over death and life and outpouring of the Holy Spirit for our baptism ([/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Matt. 27: 50-56; John 19: 30-37[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']) [/FONT]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]​

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How does this "Zeal" differ from the "zeal" that has one formulating a doctrine that removes the personage of the Holy Spirit, for the lack of a personal greeting?

I'm not proposing new doctrine, merely my opinion and belief. To my way of thinking the lack of personal greeting is overwhelming evidence supporting my position.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Could someone tell me what was the purpose or meaning of the transfiguration ???

Luke's account has Jesus, Moses, and Elijah discussing Jesus' impending death while the disciples slept, so the meeting might have been mainly for this purpose. It is curious that James and John (the 'sons of thunder') were chosen to witness it along with Peter. Jesus may have brought them along to corraborate Peter's later testimony to the other disciples that the event actually happened. This in accordance with the 'witness' precept in the Law.

 

[drich0150]

I'm not proposing new doctrine, merely my opinion and belief. To my way of thinking the lack of personal greeting is overwhelming evidence supporting my position.

If we were speaking strictly from a modern (Human) Western perspective, there may be cause to look further into your "position." but this alone in no way over turns the scripture that establishes the deity and personage of the Holy Spirit.

To represent it as such is to speak where the bible does not.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If we were speaking strictly from a modern (Human) Western perspective, there may be cause to look further into your "position." but this alone in no way over turns the scripture that establishes the deity and personage of the Holy Spirit.

To represent it as such is to speak where the bible does not.

I hope you will agree that this very debate has raged for centuries.

 

[drich0150]

I hope you will agree that this very debate has raged for centuries.

Truthfully this is the first time I have ever encountered it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Truthfully this is the first time I have ever encountered it.

That actually surprises me. The trinity doctrine was probably the most devisive issue in (Protestant) Christianity, although the two positions seem to co-exist peacefully now. I personally have no strong feelings about it as it isn't a 'salvation' issue.

 

[drich0150]

Neither do I. Maybe this is why this is the first time I heard your arguement.

 

[Woldeyesus]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The purpose and meaning of the Transfiguration can be understood in the context of the following 6-step development beginning with a partially successful basic instruction initiated by Jesus for his disciples; followed up by an advanced instruction for three disciples; and completed with an intensive 40-day rehearsal to all disciples (twelve minus one); and successfully applied by the disciples on the eve of the day of Pentecost (Matt. 16: 13-28; 17: 1-13; 26:64; 27: 50-56; Acts 1: 1-5; 2).

1. QUESTION: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"Who do you say I am?" (JESUS CHRIST, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']16:15[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']2. ANSWER: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." (SIMON PETER, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']16:16[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']3. SOLUTION: Jesus proposes a test of his immortality [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']
"Not even death will ever overcome my church” described as the rock foundation of the Messiah's divine identity and authority (JESUS CHRIST, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']16:18[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']4. CLARIFICATION: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The Transfiguration is presented as a foretaste of greater things to come in terms of three points:[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']a) [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Argument leading to the greater Cause, a.k.a., “the living God”, from the lesser effects, the “God of the living”: Moses and Elijah included (Comp. [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']22: 29-32[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']b) [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"The way in which he would soon fulfill God's purpose by dying in Jerusalem" (The greater cause, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Luke 9:31[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']c) [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] "This is my Son, whom I have chosen--listen to him!" (A voice from the cloud, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Ibid 9:35[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'])

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']5. LAST REMINDER: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"From this time on, you will see the Son of Man sitting on the right of the Almighty and coming on the clouds of heaven!" (JESUS CHRIST, [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Matt. 26:64[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] on the eve of the crucifixion)

[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']6. APPLICATION: [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']In conclusion, Christ reveals his divine identity through the exercise of his absolute authority over death and life and outpouring of the Holy Spirit for our baptism ([/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Matt. 27: 50-56; John 19: 30-37; Acts 2[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']) [/FONT]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] [/FONT]​

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Neither do I. Maybe this is why this is the first time I heard your arguement.

This is a pretty good exposition against the doctrine.
TESTIMONY OF SCRIPTURE AGAINST THE TRINITY