Bottleneck Theory vs The Flood vs The Tribe of Benjamin

[JD16]

To an atheist...that question doesn't matter right now....your problem is with where did the stuff of the universe come from?

And what makes the problem urgent? whats wrong with not knowing?

 

[-57]

We're still in the biblical times because of the 1,000 year reign of Christ which is what this prophecy is about;

I have to respectfully disagree...the 1000 year reign hasn't began. That what happens in Revelation hasn't happened as of yet...and the 1000 year reign is at the end of Revelation.

 

[lesliedellow]

Ok, I give up, I'm a believer now,...please direct me to the nearest church if you don't mind thanks

I am merely pointing out that an endlessly repeated atheist mantra typically does not correspond with the facts.

 

[-57]

And what makes the problem urgent? whats wrong with not knowing?

It shows your disbelief in God is based upon folly.

 

[JD16]

I am merely pointing out that an endlessly repeated atheist mantra usually does not correspond with the facts.

And I'm just stating the reason for such disbelieve, or positive disbelieve if you like as given in my example,.....no reason to believe in myths, its not meant to disrespect God or those who believe in said God or Gods when the believer is convinced that there is a reason to believe in one

 

[JD16]

It shows your disbelief in God is based upon folly.

Oh sure, if that is so, then which God or Gods should I believe in and why?

 

[Larniavc]

The moment an atheist says something like that, he betrays the fact that he has a positive disbelief in God, despite his endless protestations to the contrary. EVERYBODY has a positive disbelief in the Easter Bunny, and apparently the said atheist places God in the same category as the Easter Bunny.

To be fair the Easter Bunny could exist but no evidence has yet been uncovered. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

[Larniavc]

It simply means stuff can't self create...it requires a creator.

Except God, of course.

Rendering your initial assertion incorrect.

 

[JD16]

Except God, of course.

Rendering your initial assertion incorrect.

Of course, Goddidit! ....em wait,...how does that work this time?

 

[-57]

And I'm just stating the reason for such disbelieve, or positive disbelieve if you like as given in my example,.....no reason to believe in myths, its not meant to disrespect God or those who believe in said God or Gods when the believer is convinced that there is a reason to believe in one

You disbelieve yet can't begin to explain where stuff came from without a creator. I would say it requires great faith to hang your hat on that.

 

[-57]

Of course, Goddidit! ....em wait,...how does that work this time?

Yet you believe nothing did it.

 

[JD16]

You disbelieve yet can't begin to explain where stuff came from without a creator. I would say it requires great faith to hang your hat on that.

As I said, whats the urgency to know? If I had any faith I would be a believer now won't I? Except that the decision to choose which God or Gods may be problematic....

 

[AV1611VET]

That's reading something into the text that even isn't there. Even if there were twins, maybe triplets at the most, those babies still need to grow up and reach puberty before they're having children of their own. That's the point I'm trying to make.

You do realize that Shem lived right up to the time of Jacob, don't you?

 

[-57]

Except God, of course.

Rendering your initial assertion incorrect.

Incorrect. There is a requirement for a being that always was and never wasn't...considering you can't self create....which renders my assertion as correct.

 

[JD16]

Yet you believe nothing did it.

No, thats what you like to pretend what Atheist believe, ...as I've said ....we don't know, so please stop trying to pretend otherwise, thanks

 

[JD16]

Incorrect. There is a requirement for a being that always was and never wasn't...considering you can't self create....which renders my assertion as correct.

Which renders your assertion based on speculation meaningless .....

 

[-57]

As I said, whats the urgency to know? If I had any faith I would be a believer now won't I? Except that the decision to choose which God or Gods may be problematic....

To be honest...you don't choose God ...God chooses you.

 

[Larniavc]

Yet you believe nothing did it.

Possibly.

 

[JD16]

To be honest...you don't choose God ...God chooses you.

If thats the case, then I'm not one of his chosen ones....too bad for me I guess

 

[-57]

The author of that article is clueless to what the day of the Lord is and what happens on that day.

Here's what is going to happen on that day;

Matthew 24
14: And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Zephaniah 1
18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.

Revelation 18
8: so shall her plagues come in a single day, pestilence and mourning and famine, and she shall be burned with fire; for mighty is the Lord God who judges her."
9: And the kings of the earth, who committed fornication and were wanton with her, will weep and wail over her when they see the smoke of her burning;
10: they will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, "Alas! alas! thou great city, thou mighty city, Babylon! In one hour has thy judgment come."
11: And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn for her, since no one buys their cargo any more,
12: cargo of gold, silver, jewels and pearls, fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet, all kinds of scented wood, all articles of ivory, all articles of costly wood, bronze, iron and marble,
13: cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and slaves, that is, human souls.
14: "The fruit for which thy soul longed has gone from thee, and all thy dainties and thy splendor are lost to thee, never to be found again!"
15: The merchants of these wares, who gained wealth from her, will stand far off, in fear of her torment, weeping and mourning aloud,
16: "Alas, alas, for the great city that was clothed in fine linen, in purple and scarlet, bedecked with gold, with jewels, and with pearls!
17: In one hour all this wealth has been laid waste." And all shipmasters and seafaring men, sailors and all whose trade is on the sea, stood far off
18: and cried out as they saw the smoke of her burning, "What city was like the great city?"
19: And they threw dust on their heads, as they wept and mourned, crying out, "Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth! In one hour she has been laid waste.
20: Rejoice over her, O heaven, O saints and apostles and prophets, for God has given judgment for you against her!"
21: Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "So shall Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and shall be found no more;
22: and the sound of harpers and minstrels, of flute players and trumpeters, shall be heard in thee no more; and a craftsman of any craft shall be found in thee no more; and the sound of the millstone shall be heard in thee no more;
23: and the light of a lamp shall shine in thee no more; and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall be heard in thee no more; for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, and all nations were deceived by thy sorcery.
24: And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth."

Revelation 21
1: Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
8: But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

Hot molten lava is the fire of God that will come flowing down from the mountain tops and from the new cracks in the earth's crust while the earth is shaking violently;

Joel 2
1: Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming, it is near,
2: a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness! Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains a great and powerful people; their like has never been from of old, nor will be again after them through the years of all generations.
3: Fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them, but after them a desolate wilderness, and nothing escapes them.
4: Their appearance is like the appearance of horses, and like war horses they run.
5: As with the rumbling of chariots, they leap on the tops of the mountains, like the crackling of a flame of fire devouring the stubble, like a powerful army drawn up for battle.
6: Before them peoples are in anguish, all faces grow pale.
7: Like warriors they charge, like soldiers they scale the wall. They march each on his way, they do not swerve from their paths.
8: They do not jostle one another, each marches in his path; they burst through the weapons and are not halted.
9: They leap upon the city, they run upon the walls; they climb up into the houses, they enter through the windows like a thief.
10: The earth quakes before them, the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.


Psalms 18
7: Then the earth reeled and rocked; the foundations also of the mountains trembled and quaked, because he was angry.
8: Smoke went up from his nostrils, and devouring fire from his mouth; glowing coals flamed forth from him.
9: He bowed the heavens, and came down; thick darkness was under his feet.
10: He rode on a cherub, and flew; he came swiftly upon the wings of the wind.
11: He made darkness his covering around him, his canopy thick clouds dark with water.
12: Out of the brightness before him there broke through his clouds hailstones and coals of fire.
13: The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Most High uttered his voice, hailstones and coals of fire.
14: And he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; he flashed forth lightnings, and routed them.
15: Then the channels of the sea were seen, and the foundations of the world were laid bare, at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

Jeremiah 4
22: "For my people are foolish, they know me not; they are stupid children, they have no understanding. They are skilled in doing evil, but how to do good they know not."
23: I looked on the earth, and lo, it was waste and void; and to the heaven, and they had no light.
24: I looked on the mountains, and lo, they were quaking, and all the hills moved to and fro.
25: I looked, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the air had fled.
26: I looked, and lo, the fruitful land was a desert, and all its cities were laid in ruins before the LORD, before his fierce anger.
27: For thus says the LORD, "The whole land shall be a desolation; yet I will not make a full end.
28: For this the earth shall mourn, and the heavens above be black; for I have spoken, I have purposed; I have not relented nor will I turn back."

You can believe whatever you want to believe...but what you posted above...hasn't happened as of yet.
That's why I can't be a Preterist.