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Bottleneck Theory vs The Flood vs The Tribe of Benjamin

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As God can do anything, anything you might dream up for God to have done is possible so it does not matter what your theory is.

If the flood was true but God removed all physical evidence and made it look exactly as it would look if the flood had not happened would be consistent with him doing it.

If the flood was true but God made the water to not affect the world as we would expect and made it look exactly as it would look if the flood had not happened would be consistent with him doing it.

Any theory, no matter how elaborate could be explained by goddidit so why not just say goddidit?
 
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Forgot to include a link! Thanks for pointing that out! Here is where the article is found.

Population bottleneck - Wikipedia

The sources it is based on are located at its page bottom.

A population bottleneck (or genetic bottleneck) is a sharp reduction in the size of a population due to environmental events (such as earthquakes, floods, fires, disease, or droughts) or human activities (such as genocide). Such events can reduce the variation in the gene pool of a population;

That's nice....but, I did notice they didn't even attempt to show what an increased heterozygosity and purer DNA would have on a population. They kinda brushed it aside.
 
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Even if we allow for 16, that is 10-20% of the bare minimum required. And that is presuming no genetic defects and no one died prematurely due to accidents or diseases.
We have a saying: Little is much when God is in it.
 
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Abiogenesis is a scientific theory,....not exactly a myth as opposed to magic/miracles

Nobody here I rejecting that this is a religion.
But you do realize that Evolution teaches the same thing right? the difference is that evolution claims more time. If Evolution is true then there would still have had to be a bottleneck to explain the world's current population. And if evolution is true, then we still came from the amoeba that was somehow created. So you still have to deal with the problem of genetic diversity. You just choose to put your faith in time creating enough mutation as opposed to us putting our faith in God.
They are both religious. Otherwise you agree that it is possible to repopulate the planet from 2 people, you just need millions of years?
 
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Go with this:

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

What do you think that blessing was in the form of?

(Hint: Octomom would be envious.)

That's reading something into the text that even isn't there. Even if there were twins, maybe triplets at the most, those babies still need to grow up and reach puberty before they're having children of their own. That's the point I'm trying to make.
 
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There is genetic evidence that a bottleneck did occur and that the population numbers dropped far below the level that you consider untenable for repopulation and yet here we are!

Genetic bottleneck theory
But not for every organism (which we would expect from a planet wide flood).

So no flood without goddidit.
 
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80-160 as per the article I linked above.

There are Atheist and Agnostics here too if you notice, unless of course we don't count as part of this forum lolz

right but this is Christianforums. so everything relates in some way to christianity (unless specifically said otherwise). particularly in a thread that directly mentions biblical events. That is just my reasoning. But I am only human
 
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You said..."If the flood was true but God removed all physical evidence and made it look exactly as it would look"

Have you ever seen a fossil of a dead animal buried in the flood sediment?
 
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Evolution does not account for the beginnings of life, that's abiogenesis,....and no with just 2 people, thats the end of the line, not the start of the human race I'm afraid lolz
 
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No miracle required. Science does not deal with that stuff,....that's a monopoly of religion

OK, then how did it happen? Talk about a bottleneck.....imagine a time when there was only one simple cell....and now we have all of the life we see today. Your bottleneck theory claims life should not have even begun.
 
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You said..."If the flood was true but God removed all physical evidence and made it look exactly as it would look"

Have you ever seen a fossil of a dead animal buried in the flood sediment?
I have. I think the world look exactly like a flood hit it.
Something happened.

If nothing else something created all of this oil and coal. And it didn't happen by animals lying around on the ground waiting to be buried. Some disaster buried massive amounts of plant matter and animals and squished them in order to create the deposits we see today.

If people don't want to believe in a flood... fine, whatever. their choice. But they have to believe in something. Because we are not getting new oil deposits based on the evolutionist theory of how oil and coal deposits were created.
 
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Here's some examples:

1 Peter 1:20, 1 Corinthians 10:11, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Galatians 1:3-14, Revelation 3:10-11, Hebrews 1:1-2, Hebrews 10:24-25, 1 John 2:18, Romans 13:11-12, 1 Corinthians 7:27-31, James 5:8-9, Matthew 10:23, Matthew 16:27-28, Matthew 24:25-34, Matthew 26:63-64, Luke 21:22, Luke 21:28-31
 
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OK, then how did it happen? Talk about a bottleneck.....imagine a time when there was only one simple cell....and now we have all of the life we see today. Your bottleneck theory claims life should not have even begun.

What makes you think it was 1 single cell? And if a single sperm is able to fertilize an egg, and cell division starts from that and eventually a human baby is form.....is that really too far fetch for your imagination?
 
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Evolution does not account for the beginnings of life, that's abiogenesis,....and no with just 2 people, thats the end of the line, not the start of the human race I'm afraid lolz

You forgot the two people had a much greater percentage of heterozygosity than we have now....plus...a much purer genetics...DNA.
 
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Evolution does not account for the beginnings of life, that's abiogenesis,....and no with just 2 people, thats the end of the line, not the start of the human race I'm afraid lolz

I skipped abiogenesis and went straight to the amoeba evolving into animals. Evolution had to take the limited biological diversity in an amoeba and come up with all that we see.
 
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What makes you think it was 1 single cell? And if a single sperm is able to fertilize an egg, and cell division starts from that and eventually a human baby is form.....is that really too far fetch for you imagination?
Oh, it's that simple.
 
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