Boston Explosions.

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

What is it with the conspiracy theories for every event now - has their been a sale on the DVD box set of the X-Files or something?

What is with people not reading the entire article now - has there been a loss of prescription glasses/contacts?

Here, let me post the part I was trying to emphasize:

""After the events in Boston, the US, information has been distributed in the press saying that one of the Tsarnaev brothers spent 6 months in Dagestan in 2012. On this basis, there are speculative assumptions that he may have been associated with the Mujahideen of the Caucasus Emirate, in particular with the Mujahideen of Dagestan.

The Command of the Province of Dagestan indicates in this regard that the Caucasian Mujahideen are not fighting against the United States of America. We are at war with Russia, which is not only responsible for the occupation of the Caucasus, but also for heinous crimes against Muslims.

Also, remember that even in respect to the enemy state of Russia, which is fighting the Caucasus Emirate, there is an order by the Emir Dokku Umarov, which prohibits strikes on civilian targets. "

Statement of the Command of Mujahideen of Caucasus Emirate's Dagestan Province in relation to events in Boston - Kavkazcenter.com


How is this part a conspiracy? THIS is what I was emphasizing, but the bolding was lost on people, I guess.

 

[ChristOurCaptain]

What is it with the conspiracy theories for every event now - has their been a sale on the DVD box set of the X-Files or something?

Brace yourselves - one of these is going to report this post for using a "bad" word, in 3...2...1...

 

[Zanting]

What is it with the conspiracy theories for every event now - has their been a sale on the DVD box set of the X-Files or something?

The term conspiracy theory is highly misused in a derogatory manner, especially since 9/11.


Conspiracy:
1. plan to commit illegal act together: a secret plan or agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal or subversive act
2. making of agreement by conspirators: the making of a secret plan or agreement to commit an illegal or subversive act
3. group of conspirators: a group of people planning or agreeing in secret to commit an illegal or subversive act
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

The theory comes in when a situation about what occurred is postulated and then evidence is gathered to support it.

Logically then the Boston bombing is a conspiracy and many people theorize the who, how and why by gathering evidence. Thus, what was conspired to happen is revealed.

So what is your point exactly?

 

[Christian7PraiseJesus]

I'm not even going to bother responding to you since you just seem overly emotional without properly reading what Islaam says.

All I'm going to say is get off your high horse.

1Then Samuel said to Saul, “The LORD sent me to anoint you as king over His people, over Israel; now therefore, listen to the words of the LORD.2“Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt.3‘Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
Samuel 15:1-3

So ... thinking humans taking the lives of other humans, beating them, and torturing them is WRONG, AGAINST Jesus's, God's commandments (which it IS, Jesus, God in the flesh, NEVER harmed or killed ANYONE), is overly emotional... and therefore invalid.

So in that view, anything which kills other human beings is not worth protesting because it could be construed as emotional. Yet, it is LOGICAL to not do these atrocities.

I see.

That seems to be the only scramble for something to bring forward, so, you completely ignore Jesus, who is God, of course and all that. Ignore John 8:1-11. Alright.
And that's why you kill, torture, and beat other human beings, you ignore Jesus, who is God, and His commandments. Jesus, who is God, told us to follow Him 23 times and "If you love Me, you will follow My commandments."

I see 50 quotes by Mohammad here to murder (which is when a human being takes the life of another human being, in ANY circumstance):
Prophet of Doom - Islamic Quotes - Murder

Here I see 62 quotes from the Quran upon the other quotes by Mohammad saying to murder and do violence:
The Quran's Verses of Violence

I know there are more than that, also. Two excerpts:

Mohammad's words: Ishaq:489 "Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing."

Bukhari:V4B52N270 "Allah's Messenger said, 'Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.' Maslama got up saying, 'Would you like me to kill him?' The Prophet proclaimed, 'Yes.' Maslama said, 'Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.' Muhammad said, 'You may do so.'"

Mohammad's words: Tabari IX:69 "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us."

Killing (taking the lives of others aka murder in ANY circumstance) and lying...

vs.

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." Jesus's, God's words, John 14:6

Hmmm. Jesus, who is God, commanded us to "Do NOT kill" in Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, and Luke 18:20. John 8:1-11, "Those who wield the sword, die by the sword." "Ye have heard before, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but I tell you, when you face evil, turn the other cheek" "Blessed be the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God."

"Do not kill... Defraud not"
Jesus's, God's words, Mark 10:19

"I AM the way, the truth, and the life."
Jesus's, God's words, John 4:6.
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Alright, I'm done now.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

What is with people not reading the entire article now - has there been a loss of prescription glasses/contacts?

Here, let me post the part I was trying to emphasize:

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How is this part a conspiracy? THIS is what I was emphasizing, but the bolding was lost on people, I guess.

I did read the article, and while I get what it was trying to say (i.e. that there is not some organised Islamic group behind the attacks - which seems potentially reasonable), the part I was emphasising is where they then go on to claim that it was probably the work of Russian agents (or presumably anyone except the guys who actually did it).

At least it's not nearly as nutty as the false flag theories that appeared barely a day after the actual event.

 

[Zanting]

At least it's not nearly as nutty as the false flag theories that appeared barely a day after the actual event.

And what...you think that has never happened before...? History proves otherwise.

God doesn't want His people blind to Satan's deceptive distortion in our minds by what we may want to believe verses what is true. The truth, after all sets us free.

We want to blame someone and we always want it to be outsiders doing such atrocities because we don't want to believe our own government might be responsible. Again, history proves otherwise.

There has been disinformation and misinformation spread right from the beginning, clouding and distorting the evidence of who is responsible. Consequently, the only result can be the official theory verses the unofficial theory all over again.

And again, it will be up to individuals to decide what they want to believe and since there will only be one truth among them...some inevitably will be deceived and each will believe it is the other.

And again, those who believe the official theory will ridicule, belittle and ignore evidence from those who believe the unofficial theory.

I pray people jump off this Merry-go-Round and see the truth of Satan's deception on God's people. Jesus is our Saviour and we are His servants...it is up to us to know and spread truth and not lies. I pray we all remember this when sifting through all the evidence for the truth behind this atrocity. I for one, certainly do not want to be responsible for spreading lies one way or the other.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Ok, so now everyone is absolutely clear about the draconian restrictions we need to halt muslim immigration, how does everyone feel about more draconian safety and zoning regulation around Texas chemical plants? You know, in wake of the incident that killed, maimed, and caused property damage roughly 100x worse than what just happened in Boston?

 

[AceHero]

Ok, so now everyone is absolutely clear about the draconian restrictions we need to halt muslim immigration, how does everyone feel about more draconian safety and zoning regulation around Texas chemical plants? You know, in wake of the incident that killed, maimed, and caused property damage roughly 100x worse than what just happened in Boston?

There'd probably be more coverage if the West incident had been an actual terrorist attack.

It is odd how opposed Republicans are to commonsense regulations, even when it comes to something as benign as making sure you can't build houses and schools across the street from a chemical factory.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

There'd probably be more coverage if the West incident had been an actual terrorist attack.

I know... kind of my point. Does being killed or injured by a terrorist matter so much more than being killed or injured in an industrial accident?

 

[Vylo]

I know... kind of my point. Does being killed or injured by a terrorist matter so much more than being killed or injured in an industrial accident?

Yes. Because terrorists can attack again. Fertilizer plants aren't going to come to your city, and try to blow up you and people you love.

West is the bigger tragedy, but not a significant threat, that is one major reason it got more coverage.

A plant blew up. Horrible. It's over.

Someone bombs Boston, is at large for 4 days, and then leads police on one of the most insane manhunts for nearly 20 hours. Then we didn't know for some time if there was a connection with terrorist organizations, with the possibility of more bombers.

There were simply more dimensions to the bomber story. Hopefully with it being resolved and winding down, more attention will be shifted to West and the factors that lead up to it and made it so lethal.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Yes. Because terrorists can attack again. Fertilizer plants aren't going to come to your city, and try to blow up you and people you love.

West is the bigger tragedy, but not a significant threat, that is one major reason it got more coverage.

A plant blew up. Horrible. It's over.

Someone bombs Boston, is at large for 4 days, and then leads police on one of the most insane manhunts for nearly 20 hours. Then we didn't know for some time if there was a connection with terrorist organizations, with the possibility of more bombers.

There were simply more dimensions to the bomber story. Hopefully with it being resolved and winding down, more attention will be shifted to West and the factors that lead up to it and made it so lethal.

I appreciate the reasoning, I just don't buy it. No, fertiliser plants aren't going to move around, but if one is likely to explode, how many more are equally unsafe? So I think at least as credible a threat as terrorism. *sigh* Maybe I'm just sick and tired of the media's desperate drama pushing.

 

[Lazydaisy67]

Wow, 503 posts and not really any comments on the 'lockdown' of 2.6 million people in Boston and surrounding, swat on every corner, pushing into and searching people's homes without warrants. Pulling residents out onto their lawns telling them to get their hands in the air while the team proceeded into the home doesn't rub anybody the wrong way? Just wow.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Wow, 503 posts and not really any comments on the 'lockdown' of 2.6 million people in Boston and surrounding, swat on every corner, pushing into and searching people's homes without warrants. Pulling residents out onto their lawns telling them to get their hands in the air while the team proceeded into the home doesn't rub anybody the wrong way? Just wow.

Well, I live in the Boston area; probably 80% of the people I know here were on lockdown last Friday, including several who had their houses searched. (one staff member at my church even wound up with a bullet in his tv) I wasn't personally on lockdown, but my office was closed because many of my coworkers were on lockdown and public transportation had been suspended.

You know how many complaints I've heard from the people who were actually affected by this?

Zero.

On the contrary, I've heard nothing but congratulations, well-wishes, and thanks being directed towards the law enforcement involved.

-Dan.

 

[Vylo]

Wow, 503 posts and not really any comments on the 'lockdown' of 2.6 million people in Boston and surrounding, swat on every corner, pushing into and searching people's homes without warrants. Pulling residents out onto their lawns telling them to get their hands in the air while the team proceeded into the home doesn't rub anybody the wrong way? Just wow.

They didn't lockdown 2.6 million people, they locked down watertown, with a population of just over 30,000. The boston area was requested to stay indoors and public transportation was shut down to help avoid facilitating his escape.

The actual manhunt area was only 20 blocks. My friend lives 8 miles away and there was no lockdown.

 

[Supreme]

Wow, 503 posts and not really any comments on the 'lockdown' of 2.6 million people in Boston and surrounding, swat on every corner, pushing into and searching people's homes without warrants. Pulling residents out onto their lawns telling them to get their hands in the air while the team proceeded into the home doesn't rub anybody the wrong way? Just wow.

There wasn't that many people in lock down. And no, Bostonians weren't rubbed up the wrong way. They were actually be worried and scared for their families that the bomber may be near their house.

 

[Lazydaisy67]

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You know how many complaints I've heard from the people who were actually affected by this?

Zero.

On the contrary, I've heard nothing but congratulations, well-wishes, and thanks being directed towards the law enforcement involved.

-Dan.

I think this is what bothers me the most. Compliance with a "martial law" simulation without even batting an eyelash. Regardless of who they're looking for or what that person is alledged to have done, a citizen of the U.S. is NOT required to let the police into their homes for a search without a warrant at any time, for any reason.

- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

I believe in that quote, and I believe the founding fathers constructed the constitution to protect the citizens from exactly what we witnessed on T.V. on Friday. They anticipated the rise of a government without restrictions, whose purpose was to control the people as they had been controlled by their previous government in England. It's certainly nothing new, it has and continues to happen in every society since the dawn of man. However, constitutional protections were what made America vastly different from every other country. Watching Friday in Boston unfold on T.V. was like watching something in North Korea. I have no doubt that there have been many back slaps and glasses lifted in cheer of catching the "terrorist", but taking into consideration the totality of the circumstances, the liberties of Bostonians (I'm not going to debate the EXACT number) were flagrantly tossed aside in the name of capturing one 19 year old boy and I'm very sad and deeply disturbed about that.

This is MHO. It's just a statement, it's not a bait into arguing the detailed points of every line in the constitution, or whether or not Islam is a peaceful or dangerous religion, blahdy blah. Simply what's on my mind.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

and if they hadn't locked down, and this suspect had killed MORE people, guess who'd be the first in line complaining?

 

[iluvatar5150]

I think this is what bothers me the most. Compliance with a "martial law" simulation without even batting an eyelash. Regardless of who they're looking for or what that person is alledged to have done, a citizen of the U.S. is NOT required to let the police into their homes for a search without a warrant at any time, for any reason.

You're wrong. If the officer has probable cause, he can come in whether you like it or not.

Since there's a limited public safety exception to the Miranda requirements, I imagine there's also some sort of exception for searches.

and if they hadn't locked down, and this suspect had killed MORE people, guess who'd be the first in line complaining?

Seriously.
-Dan.

 

[Rion]

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[Lazydaisy67]

and if they hadn't locked down, and this suspect had killed MORE people, guess who'd be the first in line complaining?

He wasn't found during the lockdown and he wasn't found by the door-to-door SWAT search.