Boston Explosions.

[I Eat Pie]

Russia's Caucasus: breeding ground for terror

Maybe finally we can have a better relationship with Russia, with this new common enemy.

 

[Christian7PraiseJesus]

Most people in the U.S. military.

That's because most people reserve the term for Muslims (along with terrorists). SOMETIMES it's used for Christians, but it still seems to be painful to media outlets to refer to them as such (like when Anders Breivik went on that shooting spree.....FOX had such a difficult time calling him a Christian terrorist).

They're not really CHRISTian when they go against Jesus's, Who is God, commandments numerously to NOT kill ("Do NOT kill" Matthew, Mark, Luke, "You've heard in the old times, those who kill another will face judgement," ;John 8:1-11 stops the stoning of the woman; "Do NO violence" John the baptist Luke; "Those who wield the sword, die by the sword," "No more of this!"..cont), especially when He states, "Those who do not follow me, are not worthy of me." Hence, CHRIST in the term. JESUS, who is God, is central.

Yes, you do have to be a mind reader to say what you have. You act like you know them or that you know how Muslims act/think/feel. News flash: you don't. You're not an expert on us. And we don't have a uniform way of acting/thinking/feeling either.

The text is known though, and 109 verses at the least say to kill non-muslims, Mohammad even states "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us" and there are endless examples of them being commanded to kill, e.g., the woman with the 5 sons who wrote a poem in anger for one her friends getting killed, when the killer asked if he should feel guilty for murdering her, Mohammad stated "Her death is as worthless as two goats butting heads." There is also the blind man who is murdered after he throws dirt and his head is split open.

Further, your text commands you to "give 80 whip lashes" to women caught in adultery, this basically kills them also by beating them to death. If they amazingly survive that they could then die from septicemia, bacterial infections in the blood which are nearly often fatal. This is another example of killing.

1.) My religion doesn't make us do what they did. Because otherwise, you'd have a hell of a lot more Muslims doing that.

It can't make you, but it can have many texts which support violence, murder, warfare or death penalty, especially by Mohammad which is #1 leader in that group, the center. He commands much killing and does it also. 800-900 in Medina, e.g.

2.) Islaamic teachings WEREN'T a factor here. If they had proper Islaamic knowledge & insight/wisdom, they'd know that it is not Islaamic to intentionally target non-combatants even against the enemies. So how were marathon runners and the spectators their combatant enemies, according to you?

The women RUNNING away from the scene I'd say were "non-combatants" (as if it matters, ALL killing IS murder, no matter the circumstance) when an arrow was thrust in their path to trap them, then they were sold into slavery or killed, or how about the one-eyed shepherd who was sleeping when a sword was thrust through one of his eyes to the back of his neck,meaning he was murdered? The only thing he said was "I will never be a muslim" then went to sleep, when the man who killed him pretended he was also not a Muslim, then killed him in his sleep.

Maybe

it was their misguided religious view, but you can't even go that far because we don't know much about their religious views except that they believe in Allaah as the only God and Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as the final Prophet (since that's a criteria of being Muslim).

What about the 10 million Hindus killed and Mohammad saying "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us" and the multiple examples and commands to murder/do violence. Death penalty and warfare are also not considered murder when murder is when a human being takes the life of another human being in ANY circumstance. When does "death penalty" "warfare" "killing unbelievers" gets blurred in just about ANY circumstance of a person taking the life of another person, AKA murder? Mohammad killed people and told them to kill, many shown murdered. It is in numerous texts, Quaran, including Hadith.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Russia's Caucasus: breeding ground for terror

Maybe finally we can have a better relationship with Russia, with this new common enemy.

Slight problem, there are two groups and one of the two groups (the nationalists) is condemning the attack and has no interest in attacking the United States...

The 2nd group (the Islamists) are the ones associated with Al Qaeda.

 

[I Eat Pie]

Ya. I love how the uncle came out on camera condemning the acts, and demanded the boys to turn themselves in. That's being a good uncle right there. he also mentioned that they disgraced the Chechnyan name. My parents are from Armenia, which is very close to Russia, so I asked my mom about Chechnyans, and she just had a disappointed look on her face. Maybe this is why. I agree that there are good and bad in every group. We just seem to see the bad more often broadcasted, but I am hoping for a stronger American-Russian relationship with this maybe new common enemy.

I'm glad there are people that speak out against the bad that comes out of their group. I think that we need more of that in the world.

 

[ChristOurCaptain]

Russia's Caucasus: breeding ground for terror

Maybe finally we can have a better relationship with Russia, with this new common enemy.

Newsflash: Just because two persons from a specific ethnicity committed this atrocity, it does not mean that ALL those of the same ethnicity are now anyone's enemies.

 

[Christian7PraiseJesus]

Matthew 10:34
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
34 “Do not think that I came to [a]bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

I've already heard this and this is taken out of context, Jesus did not mean a literal sword, He meant He was going to cause controversy between people, families.

In the SAME chapter, Jesus states, "13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you."

Meaning, peace comes to His believers,and JESUS brings peace to those who follow Him, This follows Jesus's, God's words, "Blessed be the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God." THEN Jesus, who is God, states, IN THE SAME CHAPTER, the VERY next sentence after Matthew 10:34:
"In the very NEXT sentence, Jesus states, "For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--"

Meaning, it is CONTROVERSY in families, not a using of the sword, which will be caused, but controversy.

This matches Luke 12:53:
Luke 12:53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God."
JESUS'S, GOD's words, Matthew 5:9.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

Did Alleged Boston Bombing Terrorist Post al-Qaeda Video on His Youtube?

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
April 19, 2013

COULD THESE POSSIBLY BE AL QAEDA?
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"Editor’s note: We are not claiming the man in the video is Tamerlan Tsarnaev. We are saying this video appeared on his Youtube account..."

-- » Did Alleged Boston Bombing Terrorist Post al-Qaeda Video on His Youtube? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

I don't speak a word of Chechen, but I would GUESS that these are not disgruntled American postal workers.

 

[I Eat Pie]

Newsflash: Just because two persons from a specific ethnicity committed this atrocity, it does not mean that ALL those of the same ethnicity are now anyone's enemies.

That's what you're saying, not what I'm saying.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

TAMERLAN TSARNAEV: SIX MONTHS IN RUSSIA EARLY 2012: TERROR TRAINING?

"Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev flew in and out of John F. Kennedy Airport last year and was out of the country for six months, and investigators said they want to know if he received any terror training while he was overseas, NBC 4 New York has learned.

"Travel records obtained by NBC 4 New York show Tsarnaev left New York on Jan. 12, 2012 for Sheremetyevo, Russia. He stayed overseas and returned to JFK on July 17.
The travel documents show a photo of a bearded Tsarnaev..."

-- Boston Bombing Suspect Traveled to Russia Through NYC Last Year | NBC New York

The brothers were highly professional, and heavily armed with military-grade equipment. If the elder brother was trained during his stay in Russia, that indicates at least a year of planning for this event. I doubt that he was trained in bomb-making, weapons handling, infiltration, evasion and escape at MIT.

As more evidence pours in, there can be little doubt that we are dealing here with an Islamic Jihadi -- probably affiliated with Al Qaeda.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

That's what you're saying, not what I'm saying.

Don't worry. We all understand you're meaning, even if you refuse to specifically say it.

By all that is holy, I hate the "imply then deny" game you people play.

 

[Oafman]

The brothers were highly professional

Were they? On what are you basing that statement?

and heavily armed with military-grade equipment.

Wait, I thought they made bombs out of pressure cookers? That's homemade, not 'military grade'. The scale of the firefights suggest they had powerful firearms, and Ill be interested to learn how they obtained those.

As more evidence pours in, there can be little doubt that we are dealing here with an Islamic Jihadi -- probably affiliated with Al Qaeda.

What qualifies an 'affiliation' to Al Qaeda, in your opinion? Do they need to have been directly trained, funded and/or equipped, or is it enough to have been 'inspired' by Al Qaeda (ie reading certain websites etc)? Can you give me examples of some militant Islamist organisations, who you do not consider to be affiliated to Al Qaeda, and some examples of attacks they've committed?

 

[durangodawood]

Well if you don't think it's worth mentioning, why even respond to it?

Because you brought it up, and I want you to realize what a silly notion it is.
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This IS a discussion forum, you know.
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[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Didn't we remove that depleted uranium from Iraq entirely...

If by remove you mean dropping it on the people, then yes.

Seriously how many people did US forces kill in Iraq that were not Iraqis? I know it is a rather large number.

That WEREN'T Iraqis? I don't know.

When we fight, we try to avoid killing women and children, the fact civilians get killed is a sad reality of any armed conflict.

That might be the official statement, but when a nation possesses smart bombs that can pinpoint individuals, it becomes a harder argument to use.

Plus, what was the reason for the U.S. going into Iraq? What did they hope to accomplish? One of the reasons that garnered the most public support (by PART of the population, I still remember all of the anti-war rallies) was the lie that they found WMD in the country. Leaving aside the fact that it's so hypocritical for one of the nations with nuclear weapons to be accusing others of having WMD & attacking on that basis, they lied about their evidence.

What happened in Boston is entirely different because these 2 individuals were deliberately trying to kill or maim as many civilians as possible.

Both are heinous and unjustified acts. And, honestly, it resulted in 4 deaths and a few hundred injured. That's like an hour in the day of an Iraqi during the invasion.

The crusades happened a few centuries ago, so actually I'd be kinda surprised for Christians to pull something like that... Also the Jewish People have made it fairly clear that they aren't interested in conquering the region.

I was more trying to show how if you specify something so much, you're obviously going to get a specific group of people that is more likely to say that. Why not also ask how many groups are likely to grow beards, wear turbans/checkered hattas (those scarves), etc?

As for the Jews, maybe that's because they already have nearly all of pre-1917 Palestine?

You don't have to be a mind reader to figure out someone's intentions, though you do have to research their background.

Maybe that's your view, but in Islaam we can never say with full certainty that we know what a person's heart contains. In fact, the Prophet got extremely upset with one of his companions when he learned that a companion killed a man during a battle even though he said the testimony of faith. The companion said that he only said it out of fear of the sword, whereupon the Prophet asked if the companion had cut open his chest to see what his heart contained. (paraphrased)

We can judge by the apparent, though. But even the apparent doesn't show that they'd do what pie said they'd do. They're just wild assumptions probably due to the fact that these two brothers were Muslims and Chechen.

You left out how the people of Bosnia were attacked, but then the United States came to the aid of the people of Bosnia...

Because it wasn't really relevant to what I was responding too.

There can be fanatics within any religion, the question is do the moderate elements of said religion have the courage to denounce the behavior of the fanatics.

Just because you don't know of the internal dealings of Muslims doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Whatever is unIslaamic has been condemned as being unIslaamic.

It's funny. I hear this a lot in arguments. For some reason, everyone thinks I watch FOX, but I never do.

I'm pretty sure that the Norway shooter(white guy) was labeled a terrorist too. And Timothy MCveigh(I still think he was a Muslim though).

1.) People had a difficult time calling Breivik a Christian terrorist. At least FOX did. And that's the thing I still remember from that time because of their hypocrisy (since when they thought it was a Muslim who did it, they immediately called them Islaamic extremists/terrorists)

2.) Timothy McVeigh is not a Muslim. But I think people wished and assumed it was because the Muslims were blamed in this incident initially until it came out that the bomber was McVeigh.

I don't need to be an expert on Muslims. But when a guy says allah akbar and blows himself up, it send the message. And this isn't something rare. It happens all the time in the middle east.

Chechnya is not the Middle East. MOST Muslim fighters don't blow themselves up. And I still don't understand how you're connecting these dots where there aren't any dots to connect yet! All we really know is that they were Muslims, American citizens, and of Chechen origin. That's hardly enough information to say much at all.

I can probably guess what you're thinking now. You think that these guys are setting a bad name for Islam, and I agree they are.

Nothing and no one can give Islaam a bad name. Islaam is perfect, its followers are not.

But for you to sit there quietly and say nothing about the cause of this mess, and to act like Islam isn't a factor here, you're just helping them.

1.) BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
2.) Even if it is due to their personal religious views, that does NOT mean that that is what Islaam says.

The religion itself may not directly make them do it, but let's talk about some of your clerics who condone the act. I'm not a Q'ran expert, but I can probably find some quotes who condone the act as well.

Go ahead.

The runners were not the target, the spectators were. It was a large crowd, and these guys usually try to take out as many people at once as they can, so they go to crowded areas. What, you think a bomber will just target one guy?

And I ask again how were they enemy combatants to these two brothers according to you?

Still sounds like its mainly about clashing ethnic groups. The religious motivation seems a pretty thin veneer.
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I disagree. Certainly the fact that these people are not the same ethnically as the rest of Myanmar/Burma helped justify the attacks, but I think the root of the problem is that many Buddhists in Burma are intolerant of the Muslims.

Just watched the video she posted. Apparently, when these Rahinga people tried to flee to neighboring Bangladesh(Muslim country), they were denied entry. So don't be so quick to point the finger at the Buhdists here

1.) Just because someone else did not take a different group of people in does not absolve the other wrongdoers of blame. They're just as guilty whether or not other countries are accepting these people.

2.) Bangladesh already has taken in about 200,000 refugees from Burma.

3.) Bangladesh SHOULD take them ALL in. They should be ashamed of themselves because Islaam teaches us to help the oppressed. I think that if they really wanted to, every household in Bangladesh could have taken in a family to stay with them (just as the Ansaar did with the Muhaajireen during the Prophet's time when the Muhaajireen migrated from Makkah to Madinah in the face of persecution). You will find that many Muslims (including Bangladeshis who are not nationalistic first and religious second) are very discontent with how Bangladesh handled this situation. We're supposed to be one nation not divided by man-made borders.

But I guess that this is too idealistic on my part. Bangladesh isn't a very religious nation (the leaders aren't, anyways), so why should I expect them to uphold Islaamic principles such as helping the oppressed?

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

JESUS was anti-war, anti-killing, anti-weapons, and anti-violence, He, who is God, stated, "Those who wield the sword, die by the sword" and "No more of this!" to Peter who cut off a man's ear, who Jesus than healed. Did Jesus harm or kill anyone? Answer: NO. He NEVER harmed or killed ANYONE. He said "Do not kill" three times in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and also "You have heard in the old times, those who kill another will face judgement." HE is who is to be followed, the PERFECT, sinless example given to us to emulate.

....If you believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is God and you believe the current Old Testament was from God, then you also believe that Jesus had ordered to have infants, women, children, livestock, etc. killed before.

According to your belief, if God and Jesus are the same, then it was God/Jesus who ordered people to be harmed. So I don't think it can be said that (according to your beliefs about God, Jesus, and the Old Testament) Jesus never harmed or killed anyone.

I realize that the way Christianity is to be practiced now (though hasn't since the first century or two) is that it's supposed to be completely pacifist (even if someone is attacking you), but it would be difficult to claim that Jesus (peace be upon him) was non-violent according to your view on God.

They're not really CHRISTian when they go against Jesus's, Who is God, commandments numerously to NOT kill ("Do NOT kill" Matthew, Mark, Luke, "You've heard in the old times, those who kill another will face judgement," ;John 8:1-11 stops the stoning of the woman; "Do NO violence" John the baptist Luke; "Those who wield the sword, die by the sword," "No more of this!"..cont), especially when He states, "Those who do not follow me, are not worthy of me." Hence, CHRIST in the term. JESUS, who is God, is central.

No true Scotsman...

So then everyone who is not a perfect Christian is not a true Christian, correct? So that means that NO one is a true Christian since I'm pretty sure that everyone makes mistakes.

In Islaam, even if someone does something totally against Islaam (let's say unjust murders, rapes, theft, homosexuality, unnecessary abortion, etc.), they're STILL Muslims because these acts in and of themselves do not take a person out of the fold of Islaam. They're not following Islaam in these aspects, but as long as they don't justify their sins (and acknowledge that they ARE sins), they're still Muslims. The only thing that takes a person out of Islaam is major disbelief.

The text is known though, and 109 verses at the least say to kill non-muslims, Mohammad even states "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us" and there are endless examples of them being commanded to kill, e.g., the woman with the 5 sons who wrote a poem in anger for one her friends getting killed, when the killer asked if he should feel guilty for murdering her, Mohammad stated "Her death is as worthless as two goats butting heads." There is also the blind man who is murdered after he throws dirt and his head is split open.

References would be nice. So would context of the verses. So would the explanation in light of all of the different verses taken together.

Further, your text commands you to "give 80 whip lashes" to women caught in adultery, this basically kills them also by beating them to death. If they amazingly survive that they could then die from septicemia, bacterial infections in the blood which are nearly often fatal. This is another example of killing.

1.) Not just women. Both men and women if they are found guilty.

2.) It is exceptionally hard to find someone guilty of adultery because it is either proved through

a.) 4 trustworthy, adult, Muslim eyewitnesses who saw the actual penetration of the male organ into the female (and it's preferred to keep others' sins a secret)

or

b.) confession on the part of the guilty parties (and it is advised to NOT reveal our sins that don't harm anyone else....we are encouraged to keep those sins a secret and ask Allaah to forgive us).


(a) is pretty much impossible. Even if there were 4 witnesses and they saw one person on top of the other nude, that can't be used as proof because they have to see the penetration. So unless they're like extreme creepers, that's not going to happen.

3.) Lashes don't kill people. Well, if administered properly they shouldn't.

Islam Question and Answer - Description of flogging for an unmarriezd person who commits zina

It can't make you, but it can have many texts which support violence, murder, warfare or death penalty, especially by Mohammad which is #1 leader in that group, the center. He commands much killing and does it also. 800-900 in Medina, e.g.

There are rules of war in Islaam since it is a complete way of life. There are explicit texts that talk about avoiding non-combatant women and children, old men, people of the houses of worship (e.g. monks), etc.

Also, it seems that you forget the Old Testament so quickly...

The women RUNNING away from the scene I'd say were "non-combatants"

I never disagreed.

(as if it matters, ALL killing IS murder, no matter the circumstance) when an arrow was thrust in their path to trap them, then they were sold into slavery or killed, or how about the one-eyed shepherd who was sleeping when a sword was thrust through one of his eyes to the back of his neck,meaning he was murdered? The only thing he said was "I will never be a muslim" then went to sleep, when the man who killed him pretended he was also not a Muslim, then killed him in his sleep.


What about the 10 million Hindus killed and Mohammad saying "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us" and the multiple examples and commands to murder/do violence. Death penalty and warfare are also not considered murder when murder is when a human being takes the life of another human being in ANY circumstance. When does "death penalty" "warfare" "killing unbelievers" gets blurred in just about ANY circumstance of a person taking the life of another person, AKA murder? Mohammad killed people and told them to kill, many shown murdered. It is in numerous texts, Quaran, including Hadith.

References?

And no one is saying that Islaam is pacifist. I AM saying that there are clear guidelines in war in Islaam.

 

[I Eat Pie]

Because you brought it up, and I want you to realize what a silly notion it is.
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This IS a discussion forum, you know.
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I'm just saying it's not something bad to think about.

 

[I Eat Pie]

Don't worry. We all understand you're meaning, even if you refuse to specifically say it.

By all that is holy, I hate the "imply then deny" game you people play.

No. He always takes my words our of context. It's like explaining something to someone who has their eyes closed.

 

[All Englands Skies]

Nothing and no one can give Islaam a bad name. Islaam is perfect, its followers are not.

Islam is flawed from its very founding and from the very Quran its flawed, the fact you actually believe its "perfect" is laughable at best.

People can and do give Islam a "bad name" if they want too, your confusing the fact that because you think nothing or no one can give it a bad name, that it goes for everyone.

Its Islam itself that helps turn people into nutcases for the "cause", not nutcases who are "changing Islam"

If your truly Muslim, you should think anybody who is Muslim and becomes Christian should turn back or be executed (on a side note though, you all love showing off converts to Islam, boasting and going overboard on them "expressing there new faith", what a bunch of hypocrites), now its well and good that you lot can believe that, thats your choice, but dont expect me to respect, like or defend your religion, because when you support stuff like that you're an enemy to Christ and to my faith.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Islam is flawed from its very founding and from the very Quran its flawed, the fact you actually believe its "perfect" is laughable at best.

People can and do give Islam a "bad name" if they want too, your confusing the fact that because you think nothing or no one can give it a bad name, that it goes for everyone.

Its Islam itself that helps turn people into nutcases for the "cause", not nutcases who are "changing Islam"

If your truly Muslim, you should think anybody who is Muslim and becomes Christian should turn back or be executed (on a side note though, you all love showing off converts to Islam, boasting and going overboard on them "expressing there new faith", what a bunch of hypocrites), now its well and good that you lot can believe that, thats your choice, but dont expect me to respect, like or defend your religion, because when you support stuff like that you're an enemy to Christ and to my faith.

Oh, you're finally finished with your tirade? I wasn't sure.

Who asked you to respect, like, or defend my religion? Because I didn't. In fact, I'm not really interested at all in what you think.

As for Jesus (peace be upon him), I'm comfortable and confident in Islaam's view of him (i.e. not to exaggerate him to the status of God nor to demote him to the status of a non-Prophet). And I'm also confident that it is not me who he will consider an enemy of the message that he preached as long as I die a Muslim.

 

[All Englands Skies]

Oh, you're finally finished with your tirade? I wasn't sure.

Who asked you to respect, like, or defend my religion? Because I didn't. In fact, I'm not really interested at all in what you think.

As for Jesus (peace be upon him), I'm comfortable and confident in Islaam's view of him (i.e. not to exaggerate him to the status of God nor to demote him to the status of a non-Prophet). And I'm also confident that it is not me who he will consider an enemy of the message that he preached as long as I die a Muslim.

"As long as you die a Muslim"

Funny, but every Muslims also got to "die Muslim" aswell, aint they?, do tell me, what happens to somebody if they convert to Christianity, as you seemed to miss that bit and only choosing one bit out of that caption?

Its all one sided, your free to spout whatever you want, set up your stall for Islam, etc,yet when you have the power, you rule with an iron fist, make it illegal for anybody to spread a non-Islamic message.

face it, you like our freedoms to further your ideals, but once you gain power, you get rid of the freedoms to make sure Islam is top dog.

I know what you lot want, it just makes me angry you try to dilute it and never admit what you really want to non-Muslims, instead you spin off yarns, pretend to be reasonable, never answer when your cornered, most of you want to world to be Islamic and dont give a care how it happens, not all of you are violent and only a few have to gumption to be terrorists, but if ever there was a possibility of making the world Islamic through violence, most would jump at the chance.

anyway, what happens if somebody leaves Islam for Christianity, I wonder?

 

[I Eat Pie]

England Skies, you legend