Boston Explosions.

[I Eat Pie]

Christians killed 600,000 Muslims In Iraq? Lol right.... Who were these Christians?

How often in the past few hundred years have you heard so called "radical christians" do anything of the sort? They don't. It's Muslims doing it.

You don't have to be a mind reader. It's obvious they didn't want to be caught, or else they'd strap the bombs and do the usual "allah akbar" routine that happens so often in the middle east.

Are you some sort of terror apologist, or do you just hate to admit that maybe it's the religion making them do this? Because I'll admit that religion has caused Christians to do horrible things, but if you're denying that Islam wasn't a factor here, then I'm just going to giggle it off.

 

[Vylo]

We are talking domestic terrorism, not military acts.

 

[durangodawood]

...Buddhists - Burma ....p.

Small potatoes. Very small.
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Plus, in Burma religion is mostly a proxy for ethnic divides. Its not like Buddhists are tossing bombs yelling "Buddha is Great!!!"
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[GarfieldJL]

And just in the past decade, Christians (and others) have helped to kill ~ 600,000 people in Iraq alone. And this is not taking into account the 200% (?) increase in cancer rates due to WMD (oh, guess it's only WMD if it's Muslims who are alleged to have them). And this is also not taking into account all of the extreme birth defects that occurred due to the depleted uranium.

Didn't we remove that depleted uranium from Iraq entirely...

Seriously how many people did US forces kill in Iraq that were not Iraqis? I know it is a rather large number.

When we fight, we try to avoid killing women and children, the fact civilians get killed is a sad reality of any armed conflict.

What happened in Boston is entirely different because these 2 individuals were deliberately trying to kill or maim as many civilians as possible.

I would be shocked if any other group besides Christians yelled "For Jesus!!!" and killed Muslims and others in the Holy Land, wouldn't you?

The crusades happened a few centuries ago, so actually I'd be kinda surprised for Christians to pull something like that... Also the Jewish People have made it fairly clear that they aren't interested in conquering the region.

Because you're a mind reader, right? And you KNOW what a person's intentions are.

You don't have to be a mind reader to figure out someone's intentions, though you do have to research their background.

I wouldn't. I mean, maybe not in America, but these groups have no claim of innocence either. Not by a long shot.

Buddhists - Burma
Hindus - Pakistan, Kashmir, Gujarat
Atheists - Chechnya, Afghanistan, East Turkestan (by Russia & China)

And I just know about these because it involves the massacre of Muslims. I'm sure that they've engaged in other terrible acts against other people/places, I just don't feel the need to look it up.

You left out how the people of Bosnia were attacked, but then the United States came to the aid of the people of Bosnia...

There can be fanatics within any religion, the question is do the moderate elements of said religion have the courage to denounce the behavior of the fanatics.

 

[I Eat Pie]

Same with Albania. They're Muslims, but the US bombed Serbia(Christians) to liberate Kosovo(Muslims).

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Christians killed 600,000 Muslims In Iraq? Lol right.... Who were these Christians?

Most people in the U.S. military.

How often in the past few hundred years have you heard so called "radical christians" do anything of the sort? They don't. It's Muslims doing it.

That's because most people reserve the term for Muslims (along with terrorists). SOMETIMES it's used for Christians, but it still seems to be painful to media outlets to refer to them as such (like when Anders Breivik went on that shooting spree.....FOX had such a difficult time calling him a Christian terrorist).

You don't have to be a mind reader. It's obvious they didn't want to be caught, or else they'd strap the bombs and do the usual "allah akbar" routine that happens so often in the middle east.

Yes, you do have to be a mind reader to say what you have. You act like you know them or that you know how Muslims act/think/feel. News flash: you don't. You're not an expert on us. And we don't have a uniform way of acting/thinking/feeling either.

Are you some sort of terror apologist, or do you just hate to admit that maybe it's the religion making them do this? Because I'll admit that religion has caused Christians to do horrible things, but if you're denying that Islam wasn't a factor here, then I'm just going to giggle it off.

1.) My religion doesn't make us do what they did. Because otherwise, you'd have a hell of a lot more Muslims doing that.

2.) Islaamic teachings WEREN'T a factor here. If they had proper Islaamic knowledge & insight/wisdom, they'd know that it is not Islaamic to intentionally target non-combatants even against the enemies. So how were marathon runners and the spectators their combatant enemies, according to you?

Maybe it was their misguided religious view, but you can't even go that far because we don't know much about their religious views except that they believe in Allaah as the only God and Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as the final Prophet (since that's a criteria of being Muslim).

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Small potatoes. Very small.

Right, because being the most persecuted/oppressed minority according to the U.N. is just a slight bother. No biggie.

Tell that to these people:

youtube.com/watch?v=rLlh2WpTqj0

"It would be easy to disregard Wirathu as a misinformed monk with militant views, were it not for his popularity. Presiding over some 2,500 monks at this respected monastery, Wirathu has thousands of followers on Facebook and his YouTube videos have been watched tens of thousands of times."


"Since his release, Wirathu has gone back to preaching hate. Many believe his words inspired the fighting last June between Buddhists and ethnic Rohingya Muslims in Rakhine state, where 200 people were killed and more than 100,000 displaced."

Buddhist monk uses racism and rumours to spread hatred in Burma | World news | guardian.co.uk

Plus, in Burma religion is mostly a proxy for ethnic divides. Its not like Buddhists are tossing bombs yelling "Buddha is Great!!!"
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No, they just defend the killing of Muslims because they think that killing cows to eat is inhumane. LOL @ the irony. Oh God.

 

[Lilly Owl]

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[I Eat Pie]

It's funny. I hear this a lot in arguments. For some reason, everyone thinks I watch FOX, but I never do.

I'm pretty sure that the Norway shooter(white guy) was labeled a terrorist too. And Timothy MCveigh(I still think he was a Muslim though).

I don't need to be an expert on Muslims. But when a guy says allah akbar and blows himself up, it send the message. And this isn't something rare. It happens all the time in the middle east. I can probably guess what you're thinking now. You think that these guys are setting a bad name for Islam, and I agree they are. But for you to sit there quietly and say nothing about the cause of this mess, and to act like Islam isn't a factor here, you're just helping them.

The religion itself may not directly make them do it, but let's talk about some of your clerics who condone the act. I'm not a Q'ran expert, but I can probably find some quotes who condone the act as well.

The runners were not the target, the spectators were. It was a large crowd, and these guys usually try to take out as many people at once as they can, so they go to crowded areas. What, you think a bomber will just target one guy?

 

[durangodawood]

Right, because being the most persecuted/oppressed minority according to the U.N. is just a slight bother. No biggie.

Tell that to these people:

"It would be easy to disregard Wirathu as a misinformed monk with militant views, were it not for his popularity. Presiding over some 2,500 monks at this respected monastery, Wirathu has thousands of followers on Facebook and his YouTube videos have been watched tens of thousands of times."


"Since his release, Wirathu has gone back to preaching hate. Many believe his words inspired the fighting last June between Buddhists and ethnic Rohingya Muslims in Rakhine state, where 200 people were killed and more than 100,000 displaced."

Buddhist monk uses racism and rumours to spread hatred in Burma | World news | guardian.co.uk


No, they just defend the killing of Muslims because they think that killing cows to eat is inhumane. LOL @ the irony. Oh God.

Still sounds like its mainly about clashing ethnic groups. The religious motivation seems a pretty thin veneer.
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[durangodawood]

....And Timothy MCveigh(I still think he was a Muslim though).....

Wait..... What???
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[USincognito]

The more I hear about these two this seems like a very interesting conflation of foreign/domestic combined with self-radicalization, a Svengaliesque older brother and a dash of Leopold and Loeb.

 

[I Eat Pie]

Just watched the video she posted. Apparently, when these Rahinga people tried to flee to neighboring Bangladesh(Muslim country), they were denied entry. So don't be so quick to point the finger at the Buhdists here

 

[I Eat Pie]

Wait..... What???
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He was a veteran in a war that was in the middle east. He comes back, and decides to carry out an attack. I don't think it's a bad idea to guess that maybe he made some friends back in the middle east.

 

[durangodawood]

He was a veteran in a war that was in the middle east. He comes back, and decides to carry out an attack. I don't think it's a bad idea to guess that maybe he made some friends back in the middle east.

Thats completely nutball.
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The amount of conversions to Islam among service members is minuscule.
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But the amount of anti govt mistrust, paranoia, and hate back home is pretty significant.
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The reasoning fails. So you need actual evidence to make your case. There is none.
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[I Eat Pie]

Thats completely nutball.
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The amount of conversions to Islam among service members is minuscule.
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But the amount of anti govt mistrust, paranoia, and hate back home is pretty significant.
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The reasoning fails. So you need actual evidence to make your case. There is none.
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Evidence for what? I'm not saying it's 100% true. I'm just saying that it could be. Minuscule or not, it's possible. Not that it matters though. Everyone thinks everything is a conspiracy.

 

[durangodawood]

Evidence for what? I'm not saying it's 100% true. I'm just saying that it could be. Minuscule or not, it's possible. Not that it matters though. Everyone thinks everything is a conspiracy.

Possible? Yes.
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Utterly lacking evidence for it? Yes.
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So unlikely as to be not even worth mentioning? Yes.
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[I Eat Pie]

Well if you don't think it's worth mentioning, why even respond to it?

 

[Christian7PraiseJesus]

And just in the past decade, Christians (and others) have helped to kill ~ 600,000 people in Iraq alone. And this is not taking into account the 200% (?) increase in cancer rates due to WMD (oh, guess it's only WMD if it's Muslims who are alleged to have them). And this is also not taking into account all of the extreme birth defects that occurred due to the depleted uranium.

JESUS was anti-war, anti-killing, anti-weapons, and anti-violence, He, who is God, stated, "Those who wield the sword, die by the sword" and "No more of this!" to Peter who cut off a man's ear, who Jesus than healed. Did Jesus harm or kill anyone? Answer: NO. He NEVER harmed or killed ANYONE. He said "Do not kill" three times in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and also "You have heard in the old times, those who kill another will face judgement." HE is who is to be followed, the PERFECT, sinless example given to us to emulate.

The largest IMO message, though, which is anti-killing and anti-violence is John 8:1-11, where Jesus saves a woman from stoning by the Pharisees and scribes who were going to kill her (stone her to death) for adultery. He states "The one without sin may throw the first stone" and faced with their consciousness (NO ONE except God is without sin!), they all walked away, leaving her in the midst. Jesus saved her life.

Further, John the Baptist in Luke states before he baptizes Jesus in the river, "Do NO violence to any man" to the soldiers. This "Do NO violence" as ALL of Jesus's (God's) commandments apply to ALL.

When those people are doing that, they are NOT putting Jesus central, CHRISTianity puts JESUS central, hence CHRIST in the name. With Jesus not central, maybe they are ____ianity, but they cannot be CHRISTianity, with JESUS central.

I would be shocked if any other group besides Christians yelled "For Jesus!!!" and killed Muslims and others in the Holy Land, wouldn't you?

Jesus was against killing of all kinds. JESUS, who is GOD, was ANTI-violence. Jesus, God as a theophany, is given as an example to follow, a PERFECT, SINLESS example. No one comes close to this example.

He even stated, "You have heard before, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but I tell you, when you face evil, turn the other cheek." JESUS, WHO IS GOD, "I AM the father," stated FOLLOW ME, 23 times and "If you love me, you will follow my commandments" and "Those who do not follow me, are not worthy of me."

JESUS would be against this killing.

Because you're a mind reader, right? And you KNOW what a person's intentions are.

I wouldn't. I mean, maybe not in America, but these groups have no claim of innocence either. Not by a long shot.

Buddhists - Burma
Hindus - Pakistan, Kashmir, Gujarat
Atheists - Chechnya, Afghanistan, East Turkestan (by Russia & China)

And I just know about these because it involves the massacre of Muslims. I'm sure that they've engaged in other terrible acts against other people/places, I just don't feel the need to look it up.

1) Buddhists have texts in their scriptures which rationalizes (rationalizes, NEVER justify, killing, taking the life of another human being, is NEVER justified, in ANY circumstance!) killing others, e.g., Buddha murders (though killing is ALWAYS murder, in ANY circumstance) several Brahmin in his past lives, also Buddha killed a thief as a supposed "compassionate killing" in his past life. These are the texts referred to for killing in Buddhism.

2)Hindus have killing in their texts and scripture also, e.g., Shiva kills people and threatens them. Shiva is VERY important in Hinduism.

3)Atheists may take random people or other people's words for their own to follow, so these would be their texts. Though what they take is unknown exactly as there is a large variety. They may "make it up" as they go.

4) CHRISTianity, with JESUS central, hence the term CHRIST in the name, could not in ANY sense, rationalize killing because JESUS was 10000% against it in ALL circumstances. Jesus COMMANDED His followers to NOT kill or harm ANYONE. He states, "John was more than a prophet" (John the baptist), so that means John's statement, "DO NO VIOLENCE" carries even more weight than before, further, it matches Jesus's commandments and example, which is VERY important. JESUS, WHO IS GOD, WHO NEVER HARMED OR KILLED ANYONE, was ANTI-VIOLENCE, ANTI-KILLING, and ANTI-WEAPONS, and ANTI-WAR

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

JESUS was anti-war, anti-killing, anti-weapons, and anti-violence, He, who is God, stated, "Those who wield the sword, die by the sword" and "No more of this!" to Peter who cut off a man's ear, who Jesus than healed. Did Jesus harm or kill anyone? Answer: NO. He NEVER harmed or killed ANYONE. He said "Do not kill" three times in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and also "You have heard in the old times, those who kill another will face judgement." HE is who is to be followed, the PERFECT, sinless example given to us to emulate.

The largest IMO message, though, which is anti-killing and anti-violence is John 8:1-11, where Jesus saves a woman from stoning by the Pharisees and scribes who were going to kill her (stone her to death) for adultery. He states "The one without sin may throw the first stone" and faced with their consciousness (NO ONE except God is without sin!), they all walked away, leaving her in the midst. Jesus saved her life.

Further, John the Baptist in Luke states before he baptizes Jesus in the river, "Do NO violence to any man" to the soldiers. This "Do NO violence" as ALL of Jesus's (God's) commandments apply to ALL.

When those people are doing that, they are NOT putting Jesus central, CHRISTianity puts JESUS central, hence CHRIST in the name. With Jesus not central, maybe they are ____ianity, but they cannot be CHRISTianity, with JESUS central.

Jesus was against killing of all kinds. JESUS, who is GOD, was ANTI-violence. Jesus, God as a theophany, is given as an example to follow, a PERFECT, SINLESS example. No one comes close to this example.

He even stated, "You have heard before, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but I tell you, when you face evil, turn the other cheek." JESUS, WHO IS GOD, "I AM the father," stated FOLLOW ME, 23 times and "If you love me, you will follow my commandments" and "Those who do not follow me, are not worthy of me."

JESUS would be against this killing.
1) Buddhists have texts in their scriptures which rationalizes (rationalizes, NEVER justify, killing, taking the life of another human being, is NEVER justified, in ANY circumstance!) killing others, e.g., Buddha murders (though killing is ALWAYS murder, in ANY circumstance) several Brahmin in his past lives, also Buddha killed a thief as a supposed "compassionate killing" in his past life. These are the texts referred to for killing in Buddhism.

2)Hindus have killing in their texts and scripture also, e.g., Shiva kills people and threatens them. Shiva is VERY important in Hinduism.

3)Atheists may take random people or other people's words for their own to follow, so these would be their texts. Though what they take is unknown exactly as there is a large variety. They may "make it up" as they go.

4) CHRISTianity, with JESUS central, hence the term CHRIST in the name, could not in ANY sense, rationalize killing because JESUS was 10000% against it in ALL circumstances. Jesus COMMANDED His followers to NOT kill or harm ANYONE. He states, "John was more than a prophet" (John the baptist), so that means John's statement, "DO NO VIOLENCE" carries even more weight than before, further, it matches Jesus's commandments and example, which is VERY important. JESUS, WHO IS GOD, WHO NEVER HARMED OR KILLED ANYONE, was ANTI-VIOLENCE, ANTI-KILLING, and ANTI-WEAPONS, and ANTI-WAR

Matthew 10:34
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
34 “Do not think that I came to [a]bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.