Book of Mormon Study Group: Input wanted

[AMMON]

Thank you for confirming what many of us suspected. The bottom line is, if anyone quotes any material, the LDS considers to be exclusively theirs, they may well find themself on the receiving end of legal action. And it is not about right or wrong, it is about a large monolithic organization with bottomless pockets able to hire teams of lawyers, to enforce its will upon lesser beings.

As the husband and wife founders of a certain counter LDS website recently learned. They understood the Fair Use statutes just as it has been expressed here. They merely made certain material available, they were not profiting from it. That did not matter, the big hammer, out of Utah, fell on them and could conceivably have litigated them into bankruptcy because they, as with most people who are not independently wealthy, could not afford to continue for months and months with continuances, stays, requests for more documents, etc.

My guess is that if they're weren't so many "counter LDS" web sites out there twisting the words of the Lord and spreading lies and falsehoods about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, this would never have been an issue. Too bad.

 

[Serapha]

My guess is that if they're weren't so many "counter LDS" web sites out there twisting the words of the Lord and spreading lies and falsehoods about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, this would never have been an issue. Too bad.

Well,

It just gives everyone an oportunity to stick to the Word of God... now doesn't it?


~serapha~

 

[Der Alte]

My guess is that if they're weren't so many "counter LDS" web sites out there twisting the words of the Lord and spreading lies and falsehoods about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, this would never have been an issue. Too bad.

"Facts not in evidence." My coworkers thought I was crazy, when I burst out laughing at this. Say counter LDS and the automatic programmed response kicks in, "spreading lies and falsehoods about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." Anybody who does not believe everything that ever does or did come out of SLC, "is spreading lies and falsehoods." Even people right here on this forum when they relate their own personal experiences.

Amended to say:
On second thought I agree with you, the ex-LDS site I was referring to was spreading lies and falsehoods, they were making LDS publications available through their website.

 

[bjader]

I thought this was supposed to be a scripture discussion, it seems like it has turned to a discussion about copyright citations and a ripping into peoples testimonies.

And as for mormon bashing...please show me because i am seeing alot more of other people bashing mormons and mormons stating their beliefs.

As for using the BoM as our sword, you guys just shout that none of it is biblical and then the "discussion" shuts down. And when we do use the Bible for our support, we both interpret the verses in different ways.

 

[Der Alte]

I thought this was supposed to be a scripture discussion, it seems like it has turned to a discussion about copyright citations and a ripping into peoples testimonies.

And as for mormon bashing...please show me because i am seeing alot more of other people bashing mormons and mormons stating their beliefs.

As for using the BoM as our sword, you guys just shout that none of it is biblical and then the "discussion" shuts down. And when we do use the Bible for our support, we both interpret the verses in different ways.

And how exactly is your post any different? I see some unsupported assertions about "people bashing mormons" and not one word of scripture to discuss. You could have at least included a verse or two, for discussion, after your rant. Maybe that should be "people bashing, mormons?" Pot-kettle, kettle-pot.

 

[twhite982]

I thought this was supposed to be a scripture discussion, it seems like it has turned to a discussion about copyright citations and a ripping into peoples testimonies.

And as for mormon bashing...please show me because i am seeing alot more of other people bashing mormons and mormons stating their beliefs.

As for using the BoM as our sword, you guys just shout that none of it is biblical and then the "discussion" shuts down. And when we do use the Bible for our support, we both interpret the verses in different ways.

bjader,

I started this thread with the intent to see if 1) we could get enough interest to follow through with a discussion and 2) we as a whole were civil enough to have a meaningful discussion despite my anticipated disagreement we would have.

I think we obviously failed on point #2 and besides this I got 2-3 objections to doing a BofM study (BofM study was a bad choice of words on my part) even though it was meant more as a investigative / analytical means of looking at the BofM with support or critisism from both sides.

I decided it would just be better not to do the thread.

However a Bible thread on Ephesians has opened up and you're more than welcome to join.

I only ask that we stick to the same simple rules I originally intended for this thread.


Tom

 

[bjader]

Well alter if you would like me to site someone bashing, could always site you calling the doctrines of the LDS church are lies and falsehoods

On second thought I agree with you, the ex-LDS site I was referring to was spreading lies and falsehoods, they were making LDS publications available through their website.

And as for my not including scriptures. I didn't have much time when i posted that one. I was merely attempting to pull the form back on track, but since it is not wanted I guess I wont pursue it any more. If you really want one discuss this:

James 2: 17-24
17: Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18: Yea, a man may say, Though hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19: Though believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble.
20: But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21: Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23: And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

 

[MagusAlbertus]

My guess is that if they're weren't so many "counter LDS" web sites out there twisting the words of the Lord and spreading lies and falsehoods about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, this would never have been an issue. Too bad.

So when it benefits your group your for ending someone's freedom of speech?

... no i didn't think you did...

you know they are wrong for this, we don't expect you to admit it, but we do expect you not to defend it.

Well alter if you would like me to site someone bashing, could always site you calling the doctrines of the LDS church are lies and falsehoods

are you saying this is illegal speach?

 

[Rescued One]

My guess is that if they're weren't so many "counter LDS" web sites out there twisting the words of the Lord and spreading lies and falsehoods about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, this would never have been an issue. Too bad.

You should be sooooooooo ashamed of yourself, Ammon. Thou shalt not bear false witness.

 

[Der Alte]

Well alter if you would like me to site someone bashing, could always site you calling the doctrines of the LDS church are lies and falsehoods

This is absolutely a riot. I don't see you whining and complaining about Ammon accusing virtually every counter LDS website in the world of spreading lies and falsehoods and I only agreed with him. Was he not bashing? And just to keep the record straight I did not say "doctrines," I said publications.

 

[emerald Dragon]

Is there something from the BoM that we are supposed to study? I would like to discuss it. How about Jacob 5? That's a good chapter, that I think both Mormons and non-Mormons alike could agree on, and discuss.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

 

[MagusAlbertus]

How about Jacob 5?

I've got conviction from God that BM is a demonic trick that i am not to read anylonger.

thanks for asking.

 

[bjader]

And I have a conviction from God that it is his word and that the words contained therein are sacred.

 

[fatboys]

I've got conviction from God that BM is a demonic trick that i am not to read anylonger.

thanks for asking.

FB: Curious... How did you come to know that your conviction was from God? How did it manifest itself to you?

 

[Tawhano]

I tried having a BoM study once but it didn’t get very far. I asked about the Ten Commandments and stated that I was wanting to hear from the BoM as well as the Bible. I got two replies but only one with scripture which I responded to and that was the end of it. I agree with Serapha, if you ask a serious question it is largely ignored by Mormons but when someone posts an attack the bugler will sound the charge.

Maybe it is my signature that turns them off. I know the Calvinist hate it.

 

[AMMON]

You should be sooooooooo ashamed of yourself, Ammon. Thou shalt not bear false witness.

I did no such thing. Those defamatory web sites out there belong on the losing end of a nice, juicy lawsuit.

 

[emerald Dragon]

I got my conviction that the BoM is true, also, and I felt, not a "burninf of the bosom", but a sense of peace and asurity that it was-I felt that I KNEW that it was true. God left me with a feeling of knowldge. As I progressed, many times I was overcome with emotion as to the testimonies of the Prophets and apostles, and I knew that they were called of God. The one time that I felt the most emotion, was when I was looking at a picture of Christ with children, and I felt the overwhelming love of the Saviour, and I knew that He loved me, and would cherish me, through all my trials and tribulations. I have felt this same love a few times after that, and I am grateful for the Truth that the Lord has revealed to me.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

 

[emerald Dragon]

Hey-we got our own church sign now!!! Yippee!!!

 

[Evee]

QUOTE Suzannah..

May God bless us all as we search for the Truth!

Yes seek and you will find.

 

[AMMON]

QUOTE Suzannah..

May God bless us all as we search for the Truth!

Yes seek and you will find.

sounds good.