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Culture moves and develops. What you are suggesting is like taking a wonderful feast and spraying it with preservatives to stop it from going off instead of eating it and moving on to the next meal. You'll end up with something putrid of no use to anyone.
The thing is, how can the BNP claim to be upholding Christian values when by their own definition, Jesus Himself would be considered an undesirable. Do they believe He was a white man born within listening distance of Bow Bells?
Next, say you were to be witnessing to someone who isn't white, how could you in good conscience do that, and then support a political party that *does* consider them lower than yourself?
And let's say the BNP had recently decided they no longer hate non-whites, they'll be saying that in order to reflect the mood of the state... how can you support a party whose fundamental tenet is so fluid? What's to stop them from altering them again if they were to get into power?
The BNP manipulatively appeal to people who are disaffected and feeling "forgotten" in "their own country". But we are called to live in a different way. If we feel soeone has wronged us, we are called to pray for and bless those who did it. How is this any different? The people who feel marginalized don't have faith in God to make things be ok in the end, either because they aren't Christian, or because they are nominally Christian, but simply don't have that faith. Do you come under either of those headings?
When Jesus sent His disciples out to other nations, had they have had the BNP in power, Christianity never would have spread. Britain may still be a pagan country!
But, ultimately, no-one can convince you of doing something you don't want to do. Please take some time away from the influence of them, and really talk to God about it, because He'll guide you.
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They just believe that Britian is full up, and that it's time to close the door on immigration. England is the second most densely populated area on the planet (excluding city-states and small islands). Your statement assumes that everyone can live where-ever they want, but the needs of societies just cannot allow for unlimited immigration. Remember God himself told the nations to spread out and settle down in tribal/ethnic patterns, and the apostle Paul confirmed that that was done for our own good. He placed us in strong cultural and ethnic communities because that is how we relate to each other best. We simply cannot afford to continually take immigrants. I'm sure you know about Global Warming. Do you also know about peak oil? Do you know that the ways things are going, we might see an economic collapse in the near future? Or that we might not be able to continue our oil-based industrial mass production of food? People like myself and the BNP are calling for a sustainable economy and sustainable population growth. People like yourself, though well-meaning, are recklessly increasing the population like there is no tomorrow. But there will be a tomorrow, and when millions can't be fed, people like you will have blood on their hands.
To be honest, the parts have bolded categorically show why you are going to be impossible to talk to on a human, rational level. But, am absolutely willing to allow you to make erroneous judgements if those judgements make you feel justified in your position. If I was saying what you are, I would probably feel the need to do the same.The BNP does not consider them 'lower'. They believe that every national group should have their own land where they can live safely - not much different than what Zionist Jews want in Israel, or Palestinians in Palestine, or Tibetans in Tibet. Just because we do not believe that the whole world has a right to live in the UK doesn't mean that we think they are lower. I don't believe whites have a right to take over their lands of origin. I support nationalism, whether it is the Basques, the Tibetans, the Palestinians, the Venezualans, or the British.
That is an issue of slight concern, though the party is modelled on a very democratic basis, and it is ordinary fed up people who now make up the bulk of the membership. If you don't believe me, ask someone from the NF, who hate the BNP and consider it a sell-out. But again, people like you have created this situation, and given us only one choice. People like you have created the BNP by not giving the people a democratic say in how their societies develop.
No, it's now manipulative. People do feel like that because they have become isolated in their own communities, and threatened by crime, and left wingers have ignored the plight of the white working class. Until now, that is, where the negative effects of immigration are now being talked about. See this article, for example:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/19/nrace119.xml
But you would ignore those natural, God-given instincts. You think all nations should live as though they were Christian. But it's not possible. People like yourself claim to love people, yet you easily fall into the left's utter contempt of those who have to suffer from their policies. Do you use the term 'white trash'? That's usually how leftists dismiss their concerns.
I do not come under those headings because I do not live in a multi-cultural society any more. However I don't like hearing things like my mum giving up her job because immigrants were mugging her on her way home. I don't like hearing that an immigrant tried stealing her handbag in a shop. I don't like my brother constantly telling me about incidents, or friends whose stories defy belief - all in areas that used to be very nice to live in. Multi-culturalism is not working, it's that simple, and why would I want to see more of it, when what I have seen has been an absolute disaster? But there will be a true multi-cultural world one day, but it will be under King Jesus, not under idealistic and dangerous politicians who live far from the disastrous effects of their policies.
Anyway, the feelings you condemn in people have now been confirmed by a leftist social scientist at Harvard
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/19/nrace119.xml
but anyone who has experienced the effects of mass migration shouldn't have needed to be told what the study found. I have seen towns turn from nice, closely knit communities to third world crime ridden dumps where everyone keeps themselves to themselves. I don't want that to happen to the whole country. Multi-culturalism is contrary to the way God has made us, and it's never going to work. Well meaning people, such as yourself, who have no qualms about imposing a Trotskyite communist social experiment upon the rest of us without any democratic consent, are responsible for the social misery that results.
The BNP would not stop people of any race visiting the country and spending time. They just don't want mass immigration. They are not against limited migration. So that is simply not true. Joseph of Arimathea brought Christianity to these shores as a tin-trader, and later Augustine came with around forty helpers to reach the saxon tribes. These tribes were far more insular and protective of their culture and wary of foreigners then a BNP government would ever be.
I have talked to him alot about it, and I am set on the course I am now on. You support a party that believes in mass murder, an anti-christian beauracratic nightmare at Brussells, gay marriage, pc madness, and bulldozing over our green land to make way for more and more housing (glabal warming and peak oil notwithstanding). I think you need to talk to Him as well.
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To be honest, the parts have bolded categorically show why you are going to be impossible to talk to on a human, rational level. But, am absolutely willing to allow you to make erroneous judgements if those judgements make you feel justified in your position. If I was saying what you are, I would probably feel the need to do the same.
Your entire post is simply hate-filled rhetoric and passive-aggressive nonsense because you need to feel you've been pushed into being the way you are. Thankfully, we live in a free, democratic society where you are allowed to have abhorrent views.
Again, absolutely your call. It's all good, cos, really, you don't answer to us here. We're not moral arbiters. But one day, you will face Jesus, and you'll have to explain why you spat all over His gift.
I'm not trying to polarize you. If you open your mind, and start seeing the world as a Christian, even if you still have these views, it's a topic that needs to be debated, but until that time, your posts will just continue in a similar vein, and it's an absolute waste of everyone's time.
I say all this, not because I hate you, but because in fact, I love you, as Jesus has commanded us to do, and I am truly worried about all the hate and anger you have in you. But that's between you and Jesus. If you let Him, He'll cleanse you of it.
Will be praying for you. x
It is an issue that we have more immigrants than we can cope with in some cases, however in some cases we need them, for example we have a nursing shortage in my area and we have been getting a lot of fillipinoes in to fill it. that's a good thing. if we have a skills shortage we need to fill it up with something and if people are unwilling to train in the UK then we must look overseas.
The BNP however isn't just worried about immigration because it states that it's ok if they're from the same European heritage. so despite the fact that there are looaads of European immigrants too, the same rule must apply to all ethnicities.
The BNP are very concerned about the effects of all immigration on local workers - including european immigration. They are also concerned about the environment, about the unborn, about the EU, about housing, about the need for natural foods, about crime, about democracy, about animal rights, about peak oil, about global warming.
Their uniqueness does not end there. They are probably the only party with a whites-only membership policy. They are also the only one whose constitution is commited to eliminating all non-white people from the UK. They are the only one to advocate policies of racial purity reminiscent of the Nazis.They are the only party I can see that is concerned about all these things.
Wake up. The BNP are a far right party whose chief agenda is the propagation of racial hatred. All the rest is shallow nonsense which they add to their propaganda to dupe soft-minded idiots into believing they are just another democratic party.
Their uniqueness does not end there. They are probably the only party with a whites-only membership policy. They are also the only one whose constitution is commited to eliminating all non-white people from the UK. They are the only one to advocate policies of racial purity reminiscent of the Nazis.
If a black or asian Christian came to the UK seeking refuge from torture, BNP policy would be to send him right back to his gaolers because his skin was the wrong colour. You would be comfortable with that? Fine, go ahead and join them. Just stop pretending they are something they are not.
You think all nations should live as though they were Christian. But it's not possible.
Matthew 25 said:34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
No, that logic doesn't fly, though. I'm not saying you're a nihilist, but anyone who supports a group like the BNP does so out of either hatred and anger, or they've been indoctrinated from early on.No, I'm not filled with hate. If I were filled with hate, I wouldn't much care what happens in the future.
I'm not sure what point it is you're trying to make. This really isn't about me, but briefly, I believe Lib Dem are the least of the evils, yes. Do I support everything they do? Not by a long way. Do I even vote for them? No. I give a spoiled vote every election, both local and national, and will continue to do so until I *can* fully support a political party.You cannot dissociate yourself from the effects of the policies you support, just as you say I cannot.
Back to the passive-aggressive. Are you really so arrogant, as to tell me you know my beliefs, and thoughts? You highlight the main problem... I am Christian first and foremost. Politics come in a distant second. You're putting politics ahead of your faith, though, and then skewing your Christianity to support your political views.Am I wrong to say that we need a sustainable population, in view of peak oil and global warming? Am I wrong to say that YOU are part of the problem because you support policies that may lead to mass death (in fact you already do, when it comes to the unborn).
Without a shadow of a doubt.Is that hate-filled?
Why would I think about it? Honestly. Do you really believe people who don't support the BNP simply haven't thought about it?Or is it just a whole lot easier for you to dismiss what I wrote then to actually think about it? You could have just said 'no, i never use 'white trash', and I agree that people have suffered as a result of mass immigration'. Instead you chose to be defensive and accusative.
Jesus died for all of us. He was brutalized, tortured and murdered to take our sins upon Himself. Hatred, bigotry... if all people felt about the world the way the BNP did, His gift would have been a waste.And why do you consider the imposition of mass immigration and demonisation of all who disagree with it to be 'Jesus' gift'? Did Jesus' father divide the nations at Babel? Is he not the originator of the great diversity we see in the world? diversity which is fast disappearing.
No, that logic doesn't fly, though. I'm not saying you're a nihilist, but anyone who supports a group like the BNP does so out of either hatred and anger, or they've been indoctrinated from early on.
I believe Lib Dem are the least of the evils, yes. Do I support everything they do? Not by a long way.
It used to be that way. I absolutely deny that it is that way any more. There are still some in there, but that's why I think it's important for people like me to get involved. The average member is not what you think they are.the BNP is a white supremacist organisation. It started that way, and that's still what *many* of its members believe.
You said yourself, it's made up of its members. Let's assume you really aren't racist, do you truly believe most BNP members are as thinky as you? Isn't it more likely the people who *are* most hate-filled and racist will naturally be attracted to a politiial party that has always perpetuated that sort of agenda?
The BNP talking about revival is all well and good, but they sort of negate it by then saying a non-white clergyman is what's preventing the revival.
Someone made a very good point: if you saw a fellow BNP member attacking a black or Asian Christian refugee who had come here to escape persecution *because* they're a Christian, can you honestly say you wouldn't feel torn in what to do?
Perhaps I'm mistaken about your thoughts, but let me tell you that you are very mistaken about my motives and thoughts.Back to the passive-aggressive. Are you really so arrogant, as to tell me you know my beliefs, and thoughts?
You're putting politics ahead of your faith, though, and then skewing your Christianity to support your political views.
It's absurd to make out this is about global warming and oil.
Tell me, did you protest at the G8 summit? Because if not, it would be easy to assume that's not a genuine concern of yours.
Or is it that you feel non-whites are responsible for global warming, and removing them from society will suddenly and spontaneously rebuild the ozone layer and replenish oil supplies?
Why would I think about it? Honestly. Do you really believe people who don't support the BNP simply haven't thought about it?
For your piece of mind, no, I have never called someone "white trash", because as a Christian, I would never judge, or denigrate someone. And, I disagree that people have suffered as a result of mass immigration.
You never did respond to my first point, also. Were Jesus in His earthly body right now, the BNP would want Him out of the country. Would you support them in that?
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I said that God himself was the one who created the diversity in our world, and it was he who divided up the human race into nations, and that the apostle Paul confirmed this in his teaching. I want to see that diversity preserved
[ScottishJohn]I think Christians should at least try to live as though they were Christians...
That is possible - through the grace of God.
Even the article I've given you... African drums??
But, I beg you, follow the same trail, and see if it doesn't lead you to "Blood and Honour", along with a hundred other sites that will make your heart hurt.
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