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Turn'D-OuT-DiffurnT said:
... that sounds like a distinction without a difference. Political speech ok, but political platforms that "stir up racial hatred and violence" NOT ok. The problem is...who gets to decide which is which and by what criteria? The answer is invariably the government...

Not just the government. These matters go to trial, and ordinary men and women can judge whether a speech is merely an expression of opinion or an attempt to stir up hatred.
These speeches must be viewed in their social context. When the BNP hold a rally in a predominantly Asian area, attended by white skinheads in miltary-style dress, they are not simply expressing an unpopular opinion. They are intimidating the Asian residents of that area.
I do not believe that we should prohibit the expression of racist opinions. However there is a difference between someone saying to their friends and family that they don't like 'pakis' and think they should all be sent home; and that person making the same statement to a gang of drunken young men, knowing that it will encourage them to commit violence, for example.

Turn'D-OuT-DiffurnT said:
It seems to me that such a cure is worse than the disease.

Do you recall the outbreak of this disease in the 1930s/40s?
A picture of the symptoms is attached.
The Nazis rose to power through the inaction of those who thought it could never happen. It is a tough choice, but we cannot afford to be complacent when faced with such a powerful evil as fascism.
 
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jellybean said:
My worry is that i know how wrong the BNP are but i just dont know how to argue/debate against them. The reason i am concerned is they are actually growing in popularity in my town

Mm. My girlfriend's from Barking, and there's quite a lot of support for the BNP thereabouts. It is worrying.

Ive been told not too - in case they try smash the glass/parents car of my house or beat me up. How the heck are people like me suppose to make a stand against them?

Put like that, it's bl**dy scary. I guess part of the answer is building bridges, forming bonds with ethnic and immigrant communities, so that there's strength in numbers and the BNP can see just how unpopular they really are.

Flippantly, I suppose we could suggest sending the BNP back to where they came from? I mean, if you look back far enough they're probably descended from French or Viking or Roman invaders, so it would only be consistent. ;)

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David Brider said:
Flippantly, I suppose we could suggest sending the BNP back to where they came from? I mean, if you look back far enough they're probably descended from French or Viking or Roman invaders, so it would only be consistent. ;)

David.

I see them more as primeval swamp material.

David Brider said:
I guess part of the answer is building bridges, forming bonds with ethnic and immigrant communities, so that there's strength in numbers and the BNP can see just how unpopular they really are.

Yes, it is important to build bridges and stand up to these people as part of a larger group. The BNP are not too concerned with popularity, in my view. However, like most bullies, they don't like it when people stand up to them - they thrive on terrorising isolated individuals and vulnerable groups.
Standing beside immigrant communities and supporting them is the best way to oppose the BNP.
 
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Standing beside immigrant communities and supporting them is the best way to oppose the BNP.
Mmmmm... Not sure this is likely to happen as most ethnic minority groups are more or less together in their own communities. I hear what your saying though.... Just one question, who are you referring to when you speak of the immigrant communities? The BNP target British born asians and blacks, not necessarily immigrants. What do you think?
 
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[Martin^^]Yes that is true - the BNP do target those communities, so my use of 'immigrant' was a bit imprecise.
We may see that change, though. With increased immigration from eastern Europe, they may see some mileage in creating ill-feeling against those migrants.
I agree.....
 
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jellybean said:
My worry is that i know how wrong the BNP are but i just dont know how to argue/debate against them. The reason i am concerned is they are actually growing in popularity in my town :(

Ive been told not too - in case they try smash the glass/parents car of my house or beat me up. How the heck are people like me suppose to make a stand against them?

Last thing i wanna see here in this town is more people falling to ignorance :(


Oh dear Mr/Ms jellybean

Why do you fear to argue or debate with the BNP? Please, take my word for it (and I do know what I am talking about) they are not, I repeat NOT all thugs, and sensible debate or argument is indeed very welcome.

You are obviously a very sincere person, and would love to debate or argue with you. Neither do I wish to know where you or your parents live because I would have no intention of harming you or them!

I have "targeted" you because you say you attend the Scarborough Campus of Hull Uni (the same establishment as my daughter a few years ago). I assume, therefore that you are in Scarborough regularly. Have you not seen the BNP in town most Saturday mornings. Not one skinhead or thug amongst them.

Unfortunately, the Media who are in the pocket of the Labour government, can say anything about us with total impugnity and we have no way of defending ourselves. Nothing of the community work or positive contributions made by the BNP (especially by our councillors) will ever be made public. We are, in effect, in the dock charged with numerous heinous crimes, automatically found guilty, with no right to speak up for ourselves.

There are also many very devout Christians in the Party (although I must confess that I am more of an agnostic). One of our main concerns is the "Islamification" of this country, at the expense of Christian values - you must have seen that for yourselves.

Please feel free to come along to the town centre and see for yourself that we are normal people and talk to us.

Scarborough BNP Activist..:wave:
 
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Nimrod said:
I have "targeted" you because you say you attend the Scarborough Campus of Hull Uni (the same establishment as my daughter a few years ago). I assume, therefore that you are in Scarborough regularly. Have you not seen the BNP in town most Saturday mornings. Not one skinhead or thug amongst them.

You don't need to be a skinhead or thug on the outside to be one on the inside. ;)

Despite their sugar coated PR the BNP is about racism and nothing else.

Nimrod said:
Unfortunately, the Media who are in the pocket of the Labour government, can say anything about us with total impugnity and we have no way of defending ourselves.

HA! Thats precious! The media in the pocket of Labour! Is this the same media that has been a more effective opposition than the Tory party for the past 9 years? Is this the media that chases reports all the numerous failings of the Labour government?

Is this the media which reported the statements your beloved leaders made when they walked out of court?

Nimrod said:
Nothing of the community work or positive contributions made by the BNP (especially by our councillors) will ever be made public.

Well nows your chance - although I think it takes a lot of 'community service' to make up for the hate a division which is regularly peddled by the BNP. How many riots have they instigated in recent years? How is that a service to the community?

Nimrod said:
We are, in effect, in the dock charged with numerous heinous crimes, automatically found guilty, with no right to speak up for ourselves.

Except that you are not. In the recent trial over incitement to religious violence we heard all the Lovely things Griffin had to say about the Lawrence family, and various other groups and individuals. Griffin had the same chance as any other individual to defend himself and speak up, nad was found not guilty.

Nimrod said:
There are also many very devout Christians in the Party (although I must confess that I am more of an agnostic). One of our main concerns is the "Islamification" of this country, at the expense of Christian values - you must have seen that for yourselves.

Nope, not seen it at all, because it doesn't exist. Christian values are eroded because less and less people are Christians - this is not because they are becoming Muslisms, it is because they feel let down and dissillusioned by the Church, and often quite rightly so. There is nothing that Islam can do to challenge the Christian faith. Even if there were only one Christian left in the UK, Islam would be powerless to touch that persons faith.

Phrases like 'Britains very existence is threatened by Immigration' (from the paragraph on Immigration in the BNP 2005 general election manifesto) are alarmist ridiculous and help to stir up racist feeling. Britian's history is one of constant immigration and multiculturalism - there has never been a period of time in the History of the UK since the celts arrived thousands of years ago, when we have not been subject to immigration of one kind or another. Our society is rich because we have taken little bits of many cultures and made them our own. It becomes richer when we continue to do this.

The BNP do their best to paint ethnic minorities as criminals, benefit cheats, unemployable, and stupid.

They wuld turn their backs on refugees, use violent police tactics to deport families who fail to claim asylum, and station hundreds of troops up and down our borders - (personally I would rather have a group of asylum seekers come to live near me than a bunch of soldiers).

The make non existent links between Illegal immigration and terrorism - not one of the 7th July bombers were illegal immigrants. All but one were born in the UK, and the one that was not was born in Jamaica and entered the country legally at the age of 5.

In their section on Multi Culturalism they are very quick to point out that they do not think all humans are equal, they apply that to feminism as well as race. They say that they don't think any is 'superior' or 'inferior' and then continue to say that this is exactly what they think - because according to them it is a scientific point of view, although of course they haven't found any reputable scientists to back up their view. They suggest that Western Democracy is a result of predisposition to such a state of affairs, and that other cultures are not so enlightened. Based on all of these flawed arguments they come to the conclusion that multiculturalism is bad - although the idiots and their supporters fail to realise that multiculturalism is what made Britain. They happily advocate a return to tribalism which would appear to me to be advocating exactly that which they said we were genetically predisposed to resist.

My gorge rises.
 
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jellybean said:
My worry is that i know how wrong the BNP are but i just dont know how to argue/debate against them.

Debating them is kind of pointless, I mean...

Simon Smith BNP candidate on why Asian and black people born in the UK could not call themselves British said:
"A dog born in a stable doesn't make it a horse."

What exactly is there to say to this? The best you could hope if you met this guy is that none of the dumb rubs off onto you.

jellybean said:
How the heck are people like me suppose to make a stand against them?

You make a stand against them by trying to live your life as a decent, compassionate, human being, every day.

Bugs the hell out of them. :thumbsup:

Of course if you want to get really proactive there's always exchanging bodily fluids with a member of a different racial group. :p

or members. :groupray:
 
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[Nimrod]Oh dear Mr/Ms jellybean

Why do you fear to argue or debate with the BNP? Please, take my word for it (and I do know what I am talking about) they are not, I repeat NOT all thugs, and sensible debate or argument is indeed very welcome.

You are obviously a very sincere person, and would love to debate or argue with you. Neither do I wish to know where you or your parents live because I would have no intention of harming you or them!

I have "targeted" you because you say you attend the Scarborough Campus of Hull Uni (the same establishment as my daughter a few years ago). I assume, therefore that you are in Scarborough regularly. Have you not seen the BNP in town most Saturday mornings. Not one skinhead or thug amongst them.

Unfortunately, the Media who are in the pocket of the Labour government, can say anything about us with total impugnity and we have no way of defending ourselves. Nothing of the community work or positive contributions made by the BNP (especially by our councillors) will ever be made public. We are, in effect, in the dock charged with numerous heinous crimes, automatically found guilty, with no right to speak up for ourselves.

There are also many very devout Christians in the Party (although I must confess that I am more of an agnostic). One of our main concerns is the "Islamification" of this country, at the expense of Christian values - you must have seen that for yourselves.

Please feel free to come along to the town centre and see for yourself that we are normal people and talk to us.
Scarborough BNP Activist..
As much as I despise the BNP and have nothing but contempt for their leader, I do respect the fact that they are a fringe party who attract votes from the extreme far right of public opinion and therefore have every right to articulate their concerns (not matter how ridiculous and exagerated they are).

Welcome to CF :)
 
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they are not, I repeat NOT all thugs
Phew!!!! that's good to hear :eek:

Well if they are not and I repeat NOT all thugs then some of them are, is that what you're saying?

It's like suggesting the Labour Party has a few thugs in their midst who operate outside the party line, it's absolutely inconceivalbe. Perhaps you could have said there are no thugs in our party, but alas I think we all know there is and that is just one of the many problems with the BNP. I'm sorry I just had to state that....
 
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Looks like I have set the cat among the pigeons on here!!
There are several posts that I would like to reply to, and I will do so, but please bear with me, as there seems to be a problem actually posting a quote (my daughter is the technophile, I'm the technophobe, but she is unable to sort it, so here goes...)

I would frist like to know what is so blasphemous about the BNP campaigning to uphold Christian values? And putting the Cross on the poster stating this! Like I stated in my original post, many of my Party colleagues are very devout Christians - I am agnostic, but, even so I feel offended on their behalf. The allegation of "blasphemy" is grossly offensive and unwarranted. Are you, Bonhoffer, God's spokesman on earth?

Mark Collett's criminal record has been mentioned, (like many other BNP members who are ex-cons!!) This may be true, and indeed much of the media made a great deal prior to the General Election about other BNP people with prison records. Strange though that they failed to mention the numerous other "dignitaries", including MPs, Government Ministers and officials of other public bodies. We, in the local BNP produced a counter-leaflet giving a list (extensive, but by no means exhaustive) of miscreants from all the major parties, who had been convicted of many crimes from pimping to GBH!! Why was this not made public in the media? Because it would show the major parties in bad light and we can't have that, can we!! (These leaflets were checked for their legality before we distributed them, on the assumption "if untrue, then sue!!" Double standards, as per usual!!

The media are in the pocket of the government. OK, some may play the "we're against politcally correct stance" e.g. the Daily Express, but that is all front, they will only, in the end, publish views which they see as conventional.
I agree, though, that the Tories are not really proper opposition, nor have they been for many, many years, and, yippee, they now have a Blair clone for leader, so even if the Tories win the next election, we can look forward to more years of New Labour Fascism.

My statement about being effectively on trial and found guilty was metaphorical. I am fully aware of the persecution of our Leader, thank you, having stood in the crowd offering him our support during November, December and January (no I have not misspelt it, I do mean persecution.) My meaning is, that the media will not print anything positive about the BNP, or even unbiased (perhaps The Times is a little kinder to us). I myself have personal experience of "being ignored" for being BNP - only a trivial thing, but recently, I reported vandalism to a town centre planter full of new cuttings (the town is entered for the "Britain in Bloom" contest later this year) this vandalism is caused by our opponents in the Lib Dems and UAF by ramming their banner poles down into the soil (and probably not doing the plant much good).I told the relevant people, and what happened? Nothing. Zilch. Nil. Why? becuase I had informed them that I was British National Party!! The ultimate pariah! How dare they???!! So, if the affected plants die, well I did my bit to try and save them, but, I'm only the BNP, so my thoughts, concerns and opinions don't count!!

I also take great exception to the inference that my colleagues and myself ( and no doubt thousand of other normal, decent people) are "sugar coated, and thugs on the inside". That is grossly offensive to me personally as you do not know me, or my colleagues. I have not come onto this forum insulting you people, so please have the courtesy to treat me likewise. I will not say any more on that particular matter.

The term, "not all thugs......" etc etc, is a common phraseology when commenting on the nature of large organisations, so please do not nitpick. Yes, any such organisation has its "bad apples" - please do not insinuate that this applies only to the BNP. I could quote the example of one of the moronic scum, who, on 7th July 2005 helped blow 52 innocent people to Kingdom Come, was a member of that self righteous organisation known as "Amnesty International" but because this very dubious organisation is so "upstanding" nothing is made of this by the media.

To anyone who thinks that Islam does not pose any sort of threat either to this country or to Christianity, please be aware that the fundmentalist Islamists have declared their aim to make Britain an Islamic Republic by the year 2025!!! Already we have a government so servile to these people that, in the wake of the London atrocities, their first reaction is to go running to them asking them what more can be done to help them, how much money can we throw at you?(or words to that effect.)
Take the example of our near neighbour, and equally tolerant nation - Holland. For years they have welcomed immigrants, thousands of whom are Muslims, these people now threaten the very fabric of Dutch society, and have more or less rendered the country ungovernable (I read this some time ago, but it was not in the BNP publications) they have murdered people who speak out against them, including the Dutch Nationalist leader, and they threaten others. Last week, a disturbing article in the Sunday Times said more about this horrendous state of affairs. (Sorry but I cannot post the link to that article, I do not have enough posts!!) Mark my words, it will very soon be like that in Britain unless you Christians all open your eyes. And, yes, I agree that apathy amongst you does not help, in fact, it gives Muslims a spur in spreading their creed (and, yes, I'll say it again - NOT ALL Muslims think like this, but a very worryingly large minority actually want the Sharia Law in this country - 40% and a smaller, but equally worrying minority of them support acts of terrorism in the UK - 12%)

There is a carol which begins - "Christians Awake, salute the happy Morn", it should now be "Christians Awake and fight the Desert Hordes"

Jellybean -
Can I assume that the local paper to which you refer is the "Scarborough Evening News"? if so, although they ask for your name and address, they will not print it if you ask them not to, I've never given a reason if I've wanted to be anonymous, (and, no, you will not be firebombed!!!!) If you write anything anti-BNP they will most likely print it, the one that would not be printed would be mine replying to you...what did I say before about the unfairness of the press where the BNP are concerned??


That's all for now folks

Scarborough BNP Activist..
 
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To anyone who thinks that Islam does not pose any sort of threat either to this country or to Christianity, please be aware that the fundmentalist Islamists have declared their aim to make Britain an Islamic Republic by the year 2025!!!
Whooup-di-do. Muslims constitute about 2% of the British population. Regardless of what the ideological 'aims' of some extremists may be, they are totally unrealistic and cannot pose any genuine threat at all.
 
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Nimrod said:
Like I stated in my original post, many of my Party colleagues are very devout Christians

I find it difficult to imagine anyone who takes their faith seriously, and is ready to accept Christs commands to 'shelter the stranger' being willing to have anything to do with an organisation like the BNP which is all about peddlign hate towards the stranger.

Nimrod said:
The media are in the pocket of the government. OK, some may play the "we're against politcally correct stance" e.g. the Daily Express, but that is all front, they will only, in the end, publish views which they see as conventional.

Absolute rubbish. The media are not in any way shape nor form in the pocket of the government. They publish a wide variety of views, the fact is that very few people accept the stance of the BNP because it is based in unfounded allegations and hatred.

Nimrod said:
My statement about being effectively on trial and found guilty was metaphorical. I am fully aware of the persecution of our Leader, thank you, having stood in the crowd offering him our support during November, December and January (no I have not misspelt it, I do mean persecution.)

While I am against anything that gags BNP activists, and will fight for their right to continue to spew their ridiculous and hateful views, your statement about being on trial and found guilty was nonsense. You have every opportunity to make a case - your own website is as damning as any newspaper article published about the BNP.

Nimrod said:
My meaning is, that the media will not print anything positive about the BNP, or even unbiased (perhaps The Times is a little kinder to us).

Media report news. BNP do some horrible things, and the media report it. I would be interested in the 'good deeds' you feel go unreported. I wonder how many other parties at council level get positive publicity for doing their jobs, or do you expect different treatment? If the BNP are really that effective and useful, it is up to them to blow their own trumpet, like all the other parties have to do.

Nimrod said:
I myself have personal experience of "being ignored" for being BNP - only a trivial thing, but recently, I reported vandalism to a town centre planter full of new cuttings (the town is entered for the "Britain in Bloom" contest later this year) this vandalism is caused by our opponents in the Lib Dems and UAF by ramming their banner poles down into the soil (and probably not doing the plant much good).I told the relevant people, and what happened? Nothing. Zilch. Nil. Why? becuase I had informed them that I was British National Party!! The ultimate pariah! How dare they???!! So, if the affected plants die, well I did my bit to try and save them, but, I'm only the BNP, so my thoughts, concerns and opinions don't count!!

lol - that is vandalism is it? Putting poles into the earth? How many mosques have Liberal Democrat graffitti on the outside compared to the number with BNP graffitti on the outside?!

I imagine they ignored your report because it really is pretty ridiculous.

Nimrod said:
I also take great exception to the inference that my colleagues and myself ( and no doubt thousand of other normal, decent people) are "sugar coated, and thugs on the inside". That is grossly offensive to me personally as you do not know me, or my colleagues. I have not come onto this forum insulting you people, so please have the courtesy to treat me likewise. I will not say any more on that particular matter.

You may take what you like from my statement, but it was you who inferred that we were shallow enough to judge by appearance - I was merely pointing out that this was not the case. Appearance is irrelevant, action is what counts, and the actions of the BNP speak volumes about their supporters.

Nimrod said:
To anyone who thinks that Islam does not pose any sort of threat either to this country or to Christianity, please be aware that the fundmentalist Islamists have declared their aim to make Britain an Islamic Republic by the year 2025!!!

And the BNP have many similarly ridiculous targets, neither group have the remotest chance of achieving any of them because there are just too many reasonable people of all faiths and none who are not willing to listen to the lies and hatred which come from either camp.

Nimrod said:
Mark my words, it will very soon be like that in Britain unless you Christians all open your eyes. And, yes, I agree that apathy amongst you does not help, in fact, it gives Muslims a spur in spreading their creed (and, yes, I'll say it again - NOT ALL Muslims think like this, but a very worryingly large minority actually want the Sharia Law in this country - 40% and a smaller, but equally worrying minority of them support acts of terrorism in the UK - 12%)

I think you should provide some evidence for these claims. A survey done by the telegraph and yougove reports that only 6% supported acts of terrorism, which is only around 100,000 individuals, another 6% said they didn't know, which nomatter how it is twisted does not add up to 12% in favour. On the other hand there are many more Irish Nationalists, and Irish Loyalists who supported terrorist acts of violence in the UK, so maybe it is terrorists we should be worried about, and not ethnic or religious groups? Just a thought.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...23.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/23/ixnewstop.html

In any case an Islamic state in the UK would pose no threat to Christianity.

Romans 8 said:
36As it is written:
"For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."[l] 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[m] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Nimrod said:
There is a carol which begins - "Christians Awake, salute the happy Morn", it should now be "Christians Awake and fight the Desert Hordes"

This has got to be one of the silliest things I have seen posted yet. Picking ridiculous and pointless fights is what got is into this mess with terrorists in the first place. Picking more stupid and pointless fights is hardly going to do any good.
 
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And the BNP have many similarly ridiculous targets, neither group have the remotest chance of achieving any of them because there are just too many reasonable people of all faiths and none who are not willing to listen to the lies and hatred which come from either camp.
Exactly.... The BNP is a fringe party that does nothing but peddle ludicrious propaganda to the few. The people I really feel sorry for are those ethnic minorities in communities where the BNP have a reasonable representation. Nick Griffen has openly stated that only white people can join the BNP and yet this guy expects us take him seriously???

 
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Nimrod said:
Oh dear Mr/Ms jellybean

Why do you fear to argue or debate with the BNP? Please, take my word for it (and I do know what I am talking about) they are not, I repeat NOT all thugs, and sensible debate or argument is indeed very welcome.

You are obviously a very sincere person, and would love to debate or argue with you. Neither do I wish to know where you or your parents live because I would have no intention of harming you or them!

I have "targeted" you because you say you attend the Scarborough Campus of Hull Uni (the same establishment as my daughter a few years ago). I assume, therefore that you are in Scarborough regularly. Have you not seen the BNP in town most Saturday mornings. Not one skinhead or thug amongst them.

Unfortunately, the Media who are in the pocket of the Labour government, can say anything about us with total impugnity and we have no way of defending ourselves. Nothing of the community work or positive contributions made by the BNP (especially by our councillors) will ever be made public. We are, in effect, in the dock charged with numerous heinous crimes, automatically found guilty, with no right to speak up for ourselves.

There are also many very devout Christians in the Party (although I must confess that I am more of an agnostic). One of our main concerns is the "Islamification" of this country, at the expense of Christian values - you must have seen that for yourselves.

Please feel free to come along to the town centre and see for yourself that we are normal people and talk to us.

Scarborough BNP Activist..:wave:
im miss jellybean ^_^

no i dont beleive you are ALL thugs - never said it :)

but there are some in the party (much like anywhere else - as has been mentioned), its best to be cautious.

I have seen some in my own town, but i dont go to scarborough on saturdays, at the moment.

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nimrod said:
To anyone who thinks that Islam does not pose any sort of threat either to this country or to Christianity, please be aware that the fundmentalist Islamists have declared their aim to make Britain an Islamic Republic by the year 2025!!!

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fundamentalist muslims want to claim the whole world to islam! but these are just fundamentalists. (ok they are voilent but they do not represent the whole muslim beleiving community) note that although they are not voilent, some extremist fundamentalist christians want their particular christian values imposed on the world?
 
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Nick Griffen has openly stated that only white people can join the BNP and yet this guy expects us take him seriously???
Ironically, the only person I know who claims to support the BNP is actually of South Asian descent (on both sides, and very obviously in terms of appearance and name), although he insists that he's white. If he were to apply for membership, would he thus be turned down?
 
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[hartlandcat]Ironically, the only person I know who claims to support the BNP is actually of South Asian descent (on both sides, and very obviously in terms of appearance and name), although he insists that he's white. If he were to apply for membership, would he thus be turned down?
Well according to the leader of the BNP himself, yes he would be turned down. The BNP is an organisation that is really about white pride (nothing wrong with that) so it's hardly surprising that they wouldn't welcome ethnic minorities, or worst still someone of mixed race such as myself.
 
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The unorthodox issue here though is that the individual whom I know is blatantly a white supremacist, even though most people would not consider him to be white himself. I do wonder what their attitude towards someone like that might be.
 
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