BNP Hate Speech Trial

[Nimrod]

The figures of 12% and 40% I quoted were results of polls carried out nationally and reported in various sections of the media, they are not figures made up by the BNP, if other polls show different results, then so be it.

The threat of fundamentalist Muslims taking over is not to be ignored. I read an article in last weel's Sunday Times relating to the situation in Holland, which has always welcomed immigrants, including thousands of Muslims. These people have now created an atmosphere of fear and suspicion. Some Dutch MPs have to have constant police protection, and some are even reduced to sleeping in army barracks because they have dared to speak out against Islamic fundamentalists, who have now threatened their lives. These people have murdered various public figures including an artist and the Dutch Nationalist leader. When I tried to put the link onto this forum, I found that as I hadn't made enough posts, this wasn't possible. But, this was not printed in our "Voice of Freedom" paper it was in a respected British newspaper, so it can't be claimed that the BNP were making capital out of it.

The media ARE against the BNP as a general thing, and I repeat that they will not print anything positive about us. They will print lies, smears whatever they like, but try to redress the balance and they will not print our side, so that the public only see the side that the media (backed by the government) want them to see. An example of this - my colleague was interviewed by a regional newspaper (over the phone) whilst I was with him. They were asking him questions about the BNP's leafleting campaign in York, nothing else!! Surprise, surprise, when this rag printed their report, it was plastered all over their front page that the BNP in York were targeting the new Archbishop, shortly to be inducted "because he was black!!!". The Archbishop had never even been mentioned in the interview!!!, but these very honest and upstanding journalists had concocted the most appalling headling and "story" - OK, that's what the press do, but they are particularly viscious when it's the BNP they are reporting on. My colleague obviously was furious about this (and no, he didn't firebomb anybody!!) so he contacted the offending rag to complain, plus letters of support were sent to the paper. Not one letter of support for the BNP was printed, but, again surprise, surprise letters condemning us were!!!
Another instance where a Party Official was called on to help a young woman who was threatened with deportation, she was a white South African (I think, but I'm not sure what part of South Africa) but with some British connection. She was given positive help by the BNP, before the local Tories muscled in to take over and take the credit, I understand that she was allowed to stay, but the BNP put into motion ways to help her. This of course, was not reported - couldn't make the BNP look good could they!!??

Please do not belittle my efforts at being a positive citizen either (regarding my complaint to the Council about the plants being damaged). My meaning with that was that the powers that be didin't even have the decency to acknowledge me. The lack of manners of some officials leaves me stunned!!!! OK, if the poles don't do any damage, they don't, I am not to know that, not being Alan
Titchmarsh!!!!

Scarborough BNP Activist

 

[non-religious]

[Nimrod]
The threat of fundamentalist Muslims taking over is not to be ignored.

With the greatest respect it's no wonder the BNP are not taken seriously when their supporters spout spurious and totally unrealistic statements as the one above. I don't know the exact statistics regarding fundamentalist Muslims, but in no way should we be concerned. It's funny how the target for the hate that comes from the BNP has moved from us "blacks" to the new enemy, Islam and Muslims. Why doesn't the BNP concentrate it's efforts on actual policies like education, employment, health-care etc...? What exactly, besides rights for white people, do you stand for?

 

[ScottishJohn]

The figures of 12% and 40% I quoted were results of polls carried out nationally and reported in various sections of the media, they are not figures made up by the BNP, if other polls show different results, then so be it.

If you PM me the link for this poll, and any other links you wish to have, I can post them for you - it means we can have a conversation substantiated by evidence where required. The difference in the polls could be quite significant according to who they were conducted by what the methodology was, how big a sample was taken etc etc etc.

The threat of fundamentalist Muslims taking over is not to be ignored. I read an article in last weel's Sunday Times relating to the situation in Holland, which has always welcomed immigrants, including thousands of Muslims. These people have now created an atmosphere of fear and suspicion. Some Dutch MPs have to have constant police protection, and some are even reduced to sleeping in army barracks because they have dared to speak out against Islamic fundamentalists, who have now threatened their lives. These people have murdered various public figures including an artist and the Dutch Nationalist leader. When I tried to put the link onto this forum, I found that as I hadn't made enough posts, this wasn't possible. But, this was not printed in our "Voice of Freedom" paper it was in a respected British newspaper, so it can't be claimed that the BNP were making capital out of it.

The threat of fundamentalist Muslims against certain individuals is well known, many people have had fatwahs and death threats throughout the years, and a few have actually been killed, although Islamic fundamentalists were in no way responsible for the death of the Dutch Nationalist leader - that was carried out by a white Dutchman with no Islamic connections. They did indeed kill a dutch film maker - Theo Van Gogh. They also have death threats out for his collaborator who actually wrote the play he was killed for filming, she is an Islamic Dutch MP, and is now working on parts 2 and 3 of the film submission, her name is Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and she is making sure that the work continues regardless of death threats. This violence does not constitute a threat or an ability to take over. They are just too small in number to take over, just as the BNP are too small in number to win an election. The majority of people despise both camps.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1971423.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1974572.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3975211.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4640606.stm

The media ARE against the BNP as a general thing, and I repeat that they will not print anything positive about us.

You haven't managed to post anything positive about the BNP yet either. What positive stuff is there about a political organisation that spews hatred and division, grafittis mosques, and in general behave in a most unpleasant and un British manner.

Much of what the BNP claim as their positive work is nothing of the sort- for instance during the Panorama special on the BNP, Nick Griffin referred to work with the homeless that the BNP were doing in Stafford - they claimed that the council had accepted 147 assylum seekers, and had given them priority over the homeless. When this was investigated, it turned out that in the Stafford borough council area there was only one family of Asylum seekers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/st...s/2001/bnp_special/activities/branch_work.stm

Where else do the BNP help the homeless? Or is it just where they hope they can stir up hatred?

They will print lies, smears whatever they like, but try to redress the balance and they will not print our side, so that the public only see the side that the media (backed by the government) want them to see.

lol still with this government backed nonsense. Provide some proof and we can discuss it then. The media print the news. There is no point focussing on a BNP counsellor helping a little old white lady accross the road, while half a dozen other BNP activists have 20 little old black ladies terrified to leave their houses. To do so would constitute a bias. In any case, I thought your leader was convinced that the JEWS were controlling the media, not the government? (That is certainly his point of View in his 1997 pamphlet 'Who are the Mind Benders'.

An example of this - my colleague was interviewed by a regional newspaper (over the phone) whilst I was with him. They were asking him questions about the BNP's leafleting campaign in York, nothing else!! Surprise, surprise, when this rag printed their report, it was plastered all over their front page that the BNP in York were targeting the new Archbishop, shortly to be inducted "because he was black!!!". The Archbishop had never even been mentioned in the interview!!!, but these very honest and upstanding journalists had concocted the most appalling headling and "story" - OK, that's what the press do, but they are particularly viscious when it's the BNP they are reporting on. My colleague obviously was furious about this (and no, he didn't firebomb anybody!!) so he contacted the offending rag to complain, plus letters of support were sent to the paper. Not one letter of support for the BNP was printed, but, again surprise, surprise letters condemning us were!!!

You are correct - the media do chase the story they are after, and will print what fits with that story. I imagine that your friend was not the only person they spoke to. In any case, it is pretty stupid to allow yourself to be interviewed by the media unless you have been trained in handling them. Many people fall foul of that, not just the BNP.

Another instance where a Party Official was called on to help a young woman who was threatened with deportation, she was a white South African (I think, but I'm not sure what part of South Africa) but with some British connection. She was given positive help by the BNP, before the local Tories muscled in to take over and take the credit, I understand that she was allowed to stay, but the BNP put into motion ways to help her. This of course, was not reported - couldn't make the BNP look good could they!!??

Like I said it is about balance, you may support one white south African, and campaigna against and terrorise 100 black South Africans.

Please do not belittle my efforts at being a positive citizen either (regarding my complaint to the Council about the plants being damaged). My meaning with that was that the powers that be didin't even have the decency to acknowledge me. The lack of manners of some officials leaves me stunned!!!! OK, if the poles don't do any damage, they don't, I am not to know that, not being Alan
Titchmarsh!!!!

Scarborough BNP Activist

Oh come on! Positive citizen? A BNP activist calls up to try and get election banners for other parties taken down, (for the most ridiculous of reasons), and you are surprised that they ignore you?

Being a positive citizen might be going round scrubbing off the BNP grafitti that covers many towns, as opposed to politically motivated attempts at removing other parties election publicity.

 

[non-religious]

[ScottishJohn]

Much of what the BNP claim as their positive work is nothing of the sort- for instance during the Panorama special on the BNP, Nick Griffin referred to work with the homeless that the BNP were doing in Stafford - they claimed that the council had accepted 147 assylum seekers, and had given them priority over the homeless. When this was investigated, it turned out that in the Stafford borough council area there was only one family of Asylum seekers.

It's a classic example of how utterly desperate they are. The BNP have to resort to the lowest form of politics, the politics of fear. The only way they can garner support is to create fictional accounts of asylum seekers, crime, housing etc... it's all extremely negative and hateful. When he talked about Stephen Lawrence being a drug dealer or someone who bullied people for their money he was spreading this falsified nonsense, but I don't understand what exactly he gains from it I would respect them more if they had some strong policies on the table, but I don't know what they feel about anything remotely relevant, it's all about Islam and immigration.